Player Option as guaranteed

[dusters06]

So after looking things over, it appears the game doesn't consider PO's as guaranteed, but for the sake of the league, I think we should. Open to discussion but I'm hoping we can reword our player contract rule to state TO's can't exceed 25% of all guaranteed years including PO's.

[shel311]

Doesn't need a vote imo.

The rules just needs clarification and to be reworded.

Fwiw, leaving the rule as is is no good as the rule as is doesn't really make sense.

[dusters06]

It does make sense, the game doesn't count PO's as guaranteed money, neither does our rule. So therefore PO's and TO's don't count as guaranteed when determining that 25% in option years

Maybe I'm missing something though...

[shel311]

the game doesn't count PO's as guaranteed money

The game does count it as guaranteed money.


Click the button to release any player with a player option, that salary is added to the amount you pay, it's guaranteed.

Quintana, as the example, I signed him to a 4 year/$65mil deal, with the 4th year as a player option for $20mil. Just now, I clicked to release him, and it says I'd owe $65mil if I released him.

[dusters06]

the game doesn't count PO's as guaranteed money

The game does count it as guaranteed money.


Click the button to release any player with a player option, that salary is added to the amount you pay, it's guaranteed.

Quintana, as the example, I signed him to a 4 year/$65mil deal, with the 4th year as a player option for $20mil. Just now, I clicked to release him, and it says I'd owe $65mil if I released him.

Well offer a player a 2 year deal, 1st year at 1 mil, 2nd year as a PO for 1 year, says guaranteed money is 1 mil. So I say no it doesn't count it

[shel311]

If it didn't, as you say, I could release Quintana right now for $45mil. But I can't.

Fwiw, I'm not talking about game concepts or what the game "says" as that's irrelevant, I'm talking about what the game actually does.


Quintana's 4th year is a guaranteed year. Under no circumstances is that 4th year NOT guaranteed.

[dusters06]

Maybe our definitions of guaranteed are different, he is guaranteed 3 years, and a 4th if he so chooses. Guaranteed value vs potential value. An option year is just that, an option.

[dakshdar]

If you have a standard 6 year contract (years 5 and 6 not chosen to be option years) with a player and have a player opt out clause after year 3, do years 4, 5, and 6 have to be within 25% of the average of 1, 2, and 3, or does only year 4 have to be within 25% of years 1, 2, and 3 and then years 5 and 6 can be whatever you want because they aren't option years if the player doesn't opt out? Or does year 4 have to be within 25% of years 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6? Because, isn't a player opt out clause the same as a player option year at some point in the contract other than the last two years?

[wdoupis]

How have 4 people voted no. Come on guys, you are better than this

[ajalves]

If you have a standard 6 year contract (years 5 and 6 not chosen to be option years) with a player and have a player opt out clause after year 3, do years 4, 5, and 6 have to be within 25% of the average of 1, 2, and 3, or does only year 4 have to be within 25% of years 1, 2, and 3 and then years 5 and 6 can be whatever you want because they aren't option years if the player doesn't opt out? Or does year 4 have to be within 25% of years 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6? Because, isn't a player opt out clause the same as a player option year at some point in the contract other than the last two years?

this is like some type of test question.....I spaced out about 1/2 way through

[dusters06]

How have 4 people voted no. Come on guys, you are better than this

Either way we should make a decision on it so there's more clarity. The way it is currently written, the Quintana deal is technically not legal but I feel noone would have an objection to it seeing it is the PO that makes it that way. We can't pick and choose which rules to follow and which ones to slightly bend. The rule says "all option years"...which is why we're voting to change it to all TO years. Personally, i don't think a PO is considered guaranteed. To me, guaranteed means regardless of the action of player or team, he is guaranteed that money. If he has an option to leave, then I wouldn't say it is guaranteed. I'm fine with it either way but just want clarity in the rule as to whether we consider POs part of the guaranteed deal.

[Cnasty]

Yes PO are guaranteed in the deal and have always considered so as the game considers it to be.

The largest concern I have is manipulating options to go from $10mil a year to a $25mil a year option. The AI is unable to recognize this and considers this guaranteed money which is why this was enacted in the first place.

[shel311]

The largest concern I have is manipulating options to go from $10mil a year to a $25mil a year option

That's why we have the rule and it should be clarified and changed for only team and Vesting options.


We don't need a vote for that imo.

[DRWebs]

Consistently inconsistent

[Uuaww]

god we make shit so confusing....

[Cnasty]

Consistently inconsistent

Hey look who it is guys!

[nick]

well this thread gave me a headache. It should be 30-0 Yes AINEC. The fact we have 4 nos shows that some ppl in this league still dont understand the simplest of finances lol

[nick]

you literally cannot add a buyout to player options.

[dusters06]

you literally cannot add a buyout to player options.

Thanks for literally showing that. Just update the way our rule is written, that's all this was supposed to do

[nick]

literally no problem