Politics and stuff

[GeorgesGoons]

I'm not a big Kasich fan (even living in Ohio), but credit where it's due tonight.

To me this says me than anything. How do the rest of the rest of Ohio residents view him?

[Crowes]

the problem is only Bernie really sends that message and bernie's solutions are counter productive to the issues.

Part of the problem right here folks. Let's stay steadfast and doing things we have done the last couple decades making the same mistakes over and over versus bringing in someone that has these views and stands by them every single step of his campaign.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

who on earth said i want things to stay the same? i just said that the system is broken and i've always said that.
i'm not here to argue with you.

everything Bernie says is accurate other than when he openly just tries to make people seem like successful people are the devil. the campaign system is broke, there is corruption in our banking system and capitalism is being polluted. but if you are trying to debate that socialism and a bigger gov't is the solution to these issues, we can just agree to disagree and i can point to about 30 nations who have been down this road before us and tried similar quasi socialist plans that crippled their growth and that they never recovered from. History repeats itseslf over and over and i know my history of the economics of growth.

your solution to a corrupt gov't is to make it bigger and give them more power. if i was willing to go down that road and say 'i trust bernie won't fuck up all the excess taxes and won't waste it and will be great with more power' then what happens 4 or 8 years down the road when a new person comes into office with less than perfect ideals and has the most power that the gov't has ever had?

it's already happened with Obama. Obama has plans that are socialistic in nature. the only people who benefit from them are the top 1%. its a myth if you believe somehow Bernie is going to get the billionaires to just start writing checks and paying bigger taxes.... its simply not how it works. they'll continue to move money off shore as they always do and find other tax havens. then the programs that will need to be funded come from the middle class which makes us suffer and in the end continues to lower the bar while our taxes go up and we have less money to use to risk/speculate and change our own path to success. It's what happens anytime socialism steps into place. there is popular phrase that the only people who support socialism are those who are too young to remember why their ancestors tried to escape from it in the first place

the only solution is to fix capitalism and take corruption out of the equation. its not quite as simple as it sounds tho, obviously

The best years in the history of the US economy came with the highest tax rates at around 90%. So I dont really understand how Bernie's 49% would be a economy killer. A high top tax rate to me would encourage more business investment and wage growth or they do just write a check to the government which no good business would want to do. Why would a wealthy individual not choose to invest more money in their business to lower their taxable income and lower their tax burden that way?

It makes no sense to me that all the wealthy people in this county would risk being shut out of the largest economy in the world and demonized by trying to evade taxes if bernie were to win and move to collect more from them. These people play the long game one would assume and the long game would dictate staying in business. Just my opinion I guess.

[The_Niddler]

I'm not a big Kasich fan (even living in Ohio), but credit where it's due tonight.

To me this says me than anything. How do the rest of the rest of Ohio residents view him?

I feel the same way and I live in Ohio.
He does not support schools in the way I would have hoped he would, so for that, I am out!

[DRiccio21]

The best years in the history of the US economy came with the highest tax rates at around 90%. So I dont really understand how Bernie's 49% would be a economy killer. A high top tax rate to me would encourage more business investment and wage growth or they do just write a check to the government which no good business would want to do. Why would a wealthy individual not choose to invest more money in their business to lower their taxable income and lower their tax burden that way?

It makes no sense to me that all the wealthy people in this county would risk being shut out of the largest economy in the world and demonized by trying to evade taxes if bernie were to win and move to collect more from them. These people play the long game one would assume and the long game would dictate staying in business. Just my opinion I guess.

a) the rich never paid 90% of their income in taxes, ever. despite all the fun little meme's and posts you read on facebook. for one, before they changed the tax code in the 80's there were so many more loopholes that people cheated that you were lucky if people paid taxes at all. which is one big reason why when the tax code changed you also saw the biggest lowering of rates. 2ndly the marginal tax rates were near 90% but the effective tax rates were in the mid 40's. we also were going thru a post war boom and had GDP growth at like 4.5-5% which is slightly different than where we are now http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/ ... 9_0917.pdf

b) the wealthy people already move their money out of the country to evade taxes. i handle their money and have watched it happen for the last 10 years. we live in an global economy now, moving your money or business overseas isn't nearly the same issue as it was in the 50's. it doesn't mean you shut down your business because you find tax shelters.

[ReignOnU]

I'm not a big Kasich fan (even living in Ohio), but credit where it's due tonight.

To me this says me than anything. How do the rest of the rest of Ohio residents view him?

I think he can win Ohio outright. He has this strange level of support here because he has a few views that strong conservatives really disagree with (acceptance of gay marriage for instance). With that said, I'm not sure any other candidate has the balls to make the cuts and changes to government spending that Kasich will. He's not lying when he talks about his track record of job growth and fiscal responsibility in Ohio. He was definitely helped along the way by some major changes in the Dayton-Cincinnati corridor through. You can pin a lot of the early 2000s downfall on the local governments in both Dayton and Cleveland. Major companies left the area during that period due to inflexibility with taxes, etc. During the last 4 years or so, there have been drastic changes on those policies which has opened the door for a semi-tech boom in the area. There have been aggressive changes in taxes for businesses, particularly small businesses. The other side of this are the spending cuts. He's very much of the mindset to try to put more money in your pocket, while limiting the handouts.

I do think that out of all the candidates on both sides of the aisle, Kasich would accomplish the most while in office. I'm just not 100% sure that everything he would accomplish would the right choice.

[DRiccio21]

Kasich has been my choice, mostly because he's sane

[ReignOnU]

I've thought for awhile that a Trump-Kasich ticket was a possibility. I still think it could happen.

[Cnasty]

Trump/Bernie

Make it happen

[Cnasty]

Poor fella was ranting and rolling and just couldn't stop for that one second for a tissue.
For further clarification it was from his nose and rolled down to his lips. Good morning everyone!

Spoiler!

[nick]

It's funny n sad that Trump might actually be President of the US. Talk about an empire falling

[GeorgesGoons]

It's funny n sad that Trump might actually be President of the US. Talk about an empire falling

It has been falling for a while. Not just Obama or Bush. I blame Clinton for making it easier to get a home loan for low income families. My uneducated guess is that is the reason for the mortgage crisis we had.

[jsence2]

I think maybe, just maybe, if he had done the Trump piece two weeks ago, it might have made a difference

No chance

Trump will destroy this country.

Expand on that, what will be destroyed?

His plans for the economy will plunge us into a recession worse than the one we are fighting to overcome. He wants to increase prices on goods exported to us from China.....and he thinks they'll just take that laying down. They won't. They will increase costs on our goods shipped there, which will lower revenue and cost jobs, while at the same time making us pay more money for items than we do now. It's a double-whammy. And that's not counting how Mexico will respond when he tries to do the same thing with them.

He is going to piss off our allies more than he already has, which will lead to problems for us in numerous areas.

He is going to continue to feed the xenophobia and racial divides that are ripping this country apart at the seams with his rhetoric.

He thinks Congress will simply do what he wants, and they won't. They will fight his stupid ideas, and he doesn't know how to handle being told no.

What kills me is people think "oh, he's a great businessman"--HE ISN'T!!! Can you name me one of his businesses that actually has succeeded that isn't a casino or resort?! I'm terrified for the future of this nation if he's elected.

That said, here's what I think happens--either Cruz or Rubio drop out late, and that person tells his delegates to vote for the other candidate. Isn't supposed to happen, but in this case I think it will. In exchange, said drop-out gets a VP or a cabinet level position promise if other is elected.

[shel311]

That said, here's what I think happens--either Cruz or Rubio drop out late, and that person tells his delegates to vote for the other candidate. Isn't supposed to happen, but in this case I think it will. In exchange, said drop-out gets a VP or a cabinet level position promise if other is elected.

Pretty brilliant tactic, if it can be pulled off.

[DRWebs]

Numbers could be skewed somewhat because I just left every answer defaulted to somewhat importance... Overall I think I'd consider myself a Bernie supporter but not much into politics

[Cnasty]

That said, here's what I think happens--either Cruz or Rubio drop out late, and that person tells his delegates to vote for the other candidate. Isn't supposed to happen, but in this case I think it will. In exchange, said drop-out gets a VP or a cabinet level position promise if other is elected.

Pretty brilliant tactic, if it can be pulled off.

This is some House of Cards shit going on and I like it!

[jsence2]

Btw, to answer George's question....I don't think Hilary is any better. The reason I have hope in Bernie has not so much to do with his plans....but the fact that he actually LISTENS to people who disagree with him, and engages them. And that is something we have been sorely missing for decades.

[GeorgesGoons]

Btw, to answer George's question....I don't think Hilary is any better. The reason I have hope in Bernie has not so much to do with his plans....but the fact that he actually LISTENS to people who disagree with him, and engages them. And that is something we have been sorely missing for decades.

If any of you think Bernie is getting the nod in the democratic race you are delusional, obviously no offense meant. But if you think the democrat party will allow that then I'd like what you are drinking. It's the same with Trump and the GOP, but the GOP doesn't have the power to do anything with this freight train that is The Donald.

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His plans for the economy will plunge us into a recession worse than the one we are fighting to overcome. He wants to increase prices on goods exported to us from China.....and he thinks they'll just take that laying down. They won't. They will increase costs on our goods shipped there, which will lower revenue and cost jobs, while at the same time making us pay more money for items than we do now. It's a double-whammy. And that's not counting how Mexico will respond when he tries to do the same thing with them.

He is going to piss off our allies more than he already has, which will lead to problems for us in numerous areas.

He is going to continue to feed the xenophobia and racial divides that are ripping this country apart at the seams with his rhetoric.

He thinks Congress will simply do what he wants, and they won't. They will fight his stupid ideas, and he doesn't know how to handle being told no.

What kills me is people think "oh, he's a great businessman"--HE ISN'T!!! Can you name me one of his businesses that actually has succeeded that isn't a casino or resort?! I'm terrified for the future of this nation if he's elected.

That said, here's what I think happens--either Cruz or Rubio drop out late, and that person tells his delegates to vote for the other candidate. Isn't supposed to happen, but in this case I think it will. In exchange, said drop-out gets a VP or a cabinet level position promise if other is elected.

So, not to be an ass-hat here but where are you getting these "facts" and please don't say Facebook memes

I'd say he is a great businessman. He has built great wealth. He has also tried to venture out to make even more money and that has bit him in the ass. You can't win if you don't get on the field.

As far as the China comment....how much do we export to China compared to how much we import? I would guess it's peanuts compared to what we bring in. Just a hunch and don't want to look it up as I'm going to bed.

If Rubio or Cruz do that then you'll see the GOP implode. Donald will feel slighted by the establishment and will possibly run as an independent, which will cost the GOP the White House. Or he won't run at all and all the Donald supporters will sit at home like all the Republicans in 2012 when Mitt was the golden boy for the GOP, handing the house back to Obama.

[The_Niddler]

I did the isidewith and I have Trump and Sanders at 75% and Clinton at 74%.

[GeorgesGoons]

I did the isidewith and I have Trump and Sanders at 75% and Clinton at 74%.

Mine was Kasich, Trump, Cruz in that order. I always thought of myself as a conservative republican but it looks like I may be a little more moderate than j thought. Must be my stance on gay marriage.

[GeorgesGoons]

Must be my stance on gay marriage.

It is out of compassion for Nick, we just want him to be happy with whoever he chooses