I didn't watch or see any videos but I saw a couple of tweets that said during the White House briefing today, they never called it a pandemic like they have done daily in the past. Instead, they continually referred to it as an epidemic.
Interesting if so.
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if youre interested in the other side of this.. "Herd Immunity".. watch Sweden who decided to do absolutely nothing.. and currently it's backfiring tremendously..
9141 cases.. 793 deaths.. 8.6% death rate when confirmed.. 9% of currently alive patients in critical.
9141 cases.. 793 deaths.. 8.6% death rate when confirmed.. 9% of currently alive patients in critical.
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Not defending the idea here, but we may want to wait to pass judgement on it until the summer.nick wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:17 am if youre interested in the other side of this.. "Herd Immunity".. watch Sweden who decided to do absolutely nothing.. and currently it's backfiring tremendously..
9141 cases.. 793 deaths.. 8.6% death rate when confirmed.. 9% of currently alive patients in critical.
A herd immunity strategy is going to produces way more deaths early in the cycle. Distancing strategy will delay spread and deaths, hopefully long enough to find better treatments. But no one can definitively answer what occurs if our treatments aren't better. Do we spike later? Do we see multiple waves? Do we enact longer restrictions? Then at what point do you weigh economic impact?
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https://www.land.nrw/sites/default/file ... angelt.pdf
Heinsberg COVID-19 Case-Cluster-Study initial results
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Full DeepL translation of the preliminary results:
Preliminary results and conclusions of the COVID-19 Case Cluster Study (Gangelt municipality)
Prof. Dr. Hendrik Streeck (Institute for Virology)
Prof. Dr. Gunther Hartmann (Institute for Clinical Chemistry and Clinical Pharmacology, Speaker of the Cluster of Excellence ImmunoSensation2)
Prof. Dr. Martin Exner (Institute for Hygiene and Public Health)
Prof. Dr. Matthias Schmid (Institute for Medical Biometry, Informatics and Epidemiology)
University Hospital Bonn, Bonn, 9 April 2020
Background: The municipality of Gangelt is one of the places in Germany most affected by COVID19 . It is assumed that the infection is due to a carnival session on 15 February 2020, as several people tested positive for SARSCoV2 in the aftermath of this session. The carnival session and the outbreak of the session are currently being investigated in more detail. A representative sample was taken from the community
Gangelt (12,529 inhabitants) in the Heinsberg district. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends a protocol in which, depending on the expected prevalence, 100 to 300 households are randomly examined. This random sample was coordinated with Prof. Manfred Güllner (Forsa) to ensure its representativeness.
Aim: The aim of the study is to determine the status of SARS-CoV2 infections (percentage of all infected persons) in the community of Gangelt, which have been and are still occurring. In addition, the status of the current SARS-CoV2 immunity shall be determined.
Procedure: A serial letter was sent to about 600 households. In total, about 1000 inhabitants from about 400 households took part in the study. Questionnaires were collected, throat swabs taken and blood tested for the presence of antibodies (IgG, IgA). The interim results and conclusions of approx. 500 persons are included in this first evaluation.
Preliminary result: An existing immunity of approx. 14% (antiSARS-CoV2 IgG positive, specificity of the method >.99 %) was determined. About 2% of the persons had a current SARS-CoV-2 infection detected by PCR method. The infection rate (current infection or already been through) was about 15 % in total. The case fatality rate in relation to the total number of infected persons in the community of Gangelt is approx. 0.37 % with the preliminary data from this study. The lethality rate currently calculated in Germany by Johns-Hopkins University is 1.98 %, which is 5 times higher. The mortality in relation to the total population in Gangelt is currently 0.15 %.
Preliminary conclusion: The lethality calculated by Johns-Hopkins University is 5 times higher than in this study in Gangelt, which is explained by the different reference size of the infected persons. In Gangelt, this study covers all infected persons in the sample, including those with asymptomatic and mild courses. In Gangelt, the proportion of the population that has already developed immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is about 15%. This means that 15% of the population in Gangelt can no longer become infected with SARS-CoV-2, and the process has already begun until herd immunity is achieved. This 15% of the population reduces the speed (net reproduction rate R in epidemiological models) of a further spread of SARS-CoV-2 accordingly.
By adhering to strict hygiene measures, it can be expected that the virus concentration in a person infected can be reduced to such an extent that the severity of the disease is reduced, while at the same time immunity is developed. These favourable conditions are not given in the case of an exceptional outbreak event (superspreading event, e.g. carnival session, après-ski bar Ischgl). With hygiene measures, favourable effects with regard to total mortality can be expected.
We therefore expressly recommend implementing the proposed four-phase strategy of the German Society for Hospital Hygiene (DGKH). This strategy provides for the following model:
Phase 1: Social quarantine with the aim of containing and slowing down the pandemic and avoiding overloading critical supply structures, especially the Health care system
Phase 2: Beginning of the withdrawal of quarantine while ensuring hygienic conditions and behaviour.
Phase 3: Lifting of the quarantine while maintaining the hygienic conditions
Phase 4: State of public life as before the COVID-19 pandemic (status quo ante).
(Statement of the DGKH can be found here:
https://www.krankenhaushygiene.de/ccUpl ... _DGKH_Einl adug_Lageeinschaetzung.pdf)
Note: These results are preliminary. The final results of the study will be published and presented to the public as soon as they are available.
Heinsberg COVID-19 Case-Cluster-Study initial results
(Translated)
Full DeepL translation of the preliminary results:
Preliminary results and conclusions of the COVID-19 Case Cluster Study (Gangelt municipality)
Prof. Dr. Hendrik Streeck (Institute for Virology)
Prof. Dr. Gunther Hartmann (Institute for Clinical Chemistry and Clinical Pharmacology, Speaker of the Cluster of Excellence ImmunoSensation2)
Prof. Dr. Martin Exner (Institute for Hygiene and Public Health)
Prof. Dr. Matthias Schmid (Institute for Medical Biometry, Informatics and Epidemiology)
University Hospital Bonn, Bonn, 9 April 2020
Background: The municipality of Gangelt is one of the places in Germany most affected by COVID19 . It is assumed that the infection is due to a carnival session on 15 February 2020, as several people tested positive for SARSCoV2 in the aftermath of this session. The carnival session and the outbreak of the session are currently being investigated in more detail. A representative sample was taken from the community
Gangelt (12,529 inhabitants) in the Heinsberg district. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends a protocol in which, depending on the expected prevalence, 100 to 300 households are randomly examined. This random sample was coordinated with Prof. Manfred Güllner (Forsa) to ensure its representativeness.
Aim: The aim of the study is to determine the status of SARS-CoV2 infections (percentage of all infected persons) in the community of Gangelt, which have been and are still occurring. In addition, the status of the current SARS-CoV2 immunity shall be determined.
Procedure: A serial letter was sent to about 600 households. In total, about 1000 inhabitants from about 400 households took part in the study. Questionnaires were collected, throat swabs taken and blood tested for the presence of antibodies (IgG, IgA). The interim results and conclusions of approx. 500 persons are included in this first evaluation.
Preliminary result: An existing immunity of approx. 14% (antiSARS-CoV2 IgG positive, specificity of the method >.99 %) was determined. About 2% of the persons had a current SARS-CoV-2 infection detected by PCR method. The infection rate (current infection or already been through) was about 15 % in total. The case fatality rate in relation to the total number of infected persons in the community of Gangelt is approx. 0.37 % with the preliminary data from this study. The lethality rate currently calculated in Germany by Johns-Hopkins University is 1.98 %, which is 5 times higher. The mortality in relation to the total population in Gangelt is currently 0.15 %.
Preliminary conclusion: The lethality calculated by Johns-Hopkins University is 5 times higher than in this study in Gangelt, which is explained by the different reference size of the infected persons. In Gangelt, this study covers all infected persons in the sample, including those with asymptomatic and mild courses. In Gangelt, the proportion of the population that has already developed immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is about 15%. This means that 15% of the population in Gangelt can no longer become infected with SARS-CoV-2, and the process has already begun until herd immunity is achieved. This 15% of the population reduces the speed (net reproduction rate R in epidemiological models) of a further spread of SARS-CoV-2 accordingly.
By adhering to strict hygiene measures, it can be expected that the virus concentration in a person infected can be reduced to such an extent that the severity of the disease is reduced, while at the same time immunity is developed. These favourable conditions are not given in the case of an exceptional outbreak event (superspreading event, e.g. carnival session, après-ski bar Ischgl). With hygiene measures, favourable effects with regard to total mortality can be expected.
We therefore expressly recommend implementing the proposed four-phase strategy of the German Society for Hospital Hygiene (DGKH). This strategy provides for the following model:
Phase 1: Social quarantine with the aim of containing and slowing down the pandemic and avoiding overloading critical supply structures, especially the Health care system
Phase 2: Beginning of the withdrawal of quarantine while ensuring hygienic conditions and behaviour.
Phase 3: Lifting of the quarantine while maintaining the hygienic conditions
Phase 4: State of public life as before the COVID-19 pandemic (status quo ante).
(Statement of the DGKH can be found here:
https://www.krankenhaushygiene.de/ccUpl ... _DGKH_Einl adug_Lageeinschaetzung.pdf)
Note: These results are preliminary. The final results of the study will be published and presented to the public as soon as they are available.
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Seems logical that less of an exposure results in milder cases.
The 14% that had immunity is pretty interesting. It leads to another question that I haven't seen answered (maybe Weasel or someone could shed light on it...). The obvious way to be immune is by being infected, then building up the anti-bodies. But... is it possible that one blood type is more resistant than another? From what I've gathered, the virus attaches to red blood cells, messes with the control of iron, and that triggers all of the issues. The reason an anti-biotic like hydroxychloroquine is working isn't because it's directly fighting the virus, it's because it bonds to the red blood cells, which in turn prevents the virus from bonding. So it's protecting the cells in place of the virus. Not necessarily how it's designed, but that's how it seemingly is working. So is it possible that different blood types have different resiliency to the bonding of the virus?
(all of this could be incorrect, but it's what I've gathered from a few different places... it also explains the high ventilator failure rate.)
The 4 phase plan is ass. That's really not strategy to it at all. Hopefully our leadership figures out something better than that.
The 14% that had immunity is pretty interesting. It leads to another question that I haven't seen answered (maybe Weasel or someone could shed light on it...). The obvious way to be immune is by being infected, then building up the anti-bodies. But... is it possible that one blood type is more resistant than another? From what I've gathered, the virus attaches to red blood cells, messes with the control of iron, and that triggers all of the issues. The reason an anti-biotic like hydroxychloroquine is working isn't because it's directly fighting the virus, it's because it bonds to the red blood cells, which in turn prevents the virus from bonding. So it's protecting the cells in place of the virus. Not necessarily how it's designed, but that's how it seemingly is working. So is it possible that different blood types have different resiliency to the bonding of the virus?
(all of this could be incorrect, but it's what I've gathered from a few different places... it also explains the high ventilator failure rate.)
The 4 phase plan is ass. That's really not strategy to it at all. Hopefully our leadership figures out something better than that.
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Per Cuomo's daily pressers:
Total hospitalizations in NY on 4/2 were 1427.
Total hospitalizations in NY on 4/9 was 200.
Total hospitalizations in NY on 4/2 were 1427.
Total hospitalizations in NY on 4/9 was 200.
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I picked up some BWs last night for dinner. They have BOGO on boneless wings.
So I ordered 30 wings and got 30 free.
They have signs that they are practicing social distancing and to please stay 6 feet away from each other.
So I go in.
On the counter is a certificate about Covid-19 training for each person that is working there.
I step up to the counter, the guy is getting my order together.
I see this lady, who works there, walk over with a pair of gloves on. She asks me if he is taking care of me, I say yes, but he went to talk to the manager to see how to take a groupon e-gift card from me.
So she opens this warming thing they have and is touching all the bags in there looking for my name.
Then this girl comes in the door to pick up her order.
I step to the side, this girl pays her with cash.
She takes the cash, puts it in the drawer, goes to the warming thing, again, touches all of the bags in there.
Hands the girl her order and she leaves.
The phone rings, she picks it up, with the same gloves on. Gloves and phone are touching her face.
Now, what if the money from that girl, had the virus on it?
Now, the phone has it on it, along with the metal handle of the warming thing, and so do all the bags in the warming thing now too.
I didn't say anything, but was discussing it with my wife how those gloves did her no damn good and I would have been much happier if I seen her without gloves, using hand sanitizer in between each interaction.
Just a joke how people think because they wear gloves, they are protected or people feel better about seeing the gloves.
So I ordered 30 wings and got 30 free.
They have signs that they are practicing social distancing and to please stay 6 feet away from each other.
So I go in.
On the counter is a certificate about Covid-19 training for each person that is working there.
I step up to the counter, the guy is getting my order together.
I see this lady, who works there, walk over with a pair of gloves on. She asks me if he is taking care of me, I say yes, but he went to talk to the manager to see how to take a groupon e-gift card from me.
So she opens this warming thing they have and is touching all the bags in there looking for my name.
Then this girl comes in the door to pick up her order.
I step to the side, this girl pays her with cash.
She takes the cash, puts it in the drawer, goes to the warming thing, again, touches all of the bags in there.
Hands the girl her order and she leaves.
The phone rings, she picks it up, with the same gloves on. Gloves and phone are touching her face.
Now, what if the money from that girl, had the virus on it?
Now, the phone has it on it, along with the metal handle of the warming thing, and so do all the bags in the warming thing now too.
I didn't say anything, but was discussing it with my wife how those gloves did her no damn good and I would have been much happier if I seen her without gloves, using hand sanitizer in between each interaction.
Just a joke how people think because they wear gloves, they are protected or people feel better about seeing the gloves.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32252338
Evidence that Vitamin D Supplementation Could Reduce Risk of Influenza and COVID-19 Infections and Deaths.
Evidence that Vitamin D Supplementation Could Reduce Risk of Influenza and COVID-19 Infections and Deaths.
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Oh nice, so they are getting better!
Day after Washington State went on lock, we ordered off the phone app. I walked up to a line going out the door. When I finally got in, they had marks on the floor for 6ft away, but people just kept walking in, standing where they wanted to. It took them 40 minutes past the time that I had listed as my pickup time to figure out I was already paid on the app, get my food and send me on my way. Then (my own fault) I got all the way home and they didn't include my fries and a 10 piece boneless in my bag...It was a disaster. And that was before the gloves and the whole crew was rubbing shoulders, asses, and everything else in their little togo cubbie
Day after Washington State went on lock, we ordered off the phone app. I walked up to a line going out the door. When I finally got in, they had marks on the floor for 6ft away, but people just kept walking in, standing where they wanted to. It took them 40 minutes past the time that I had listed as my pickup time to figure out I was already paid on the app, get my food and send me on my way. Then (my own fault) I got all the way home and they didn't include my fries and a 10 piece boneless in my bag...It was a disaster. And that was before the gloves and the whole crew was rubbing shoulders, asses, and everything else in their little togo cubbie
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New York now has more total cases than any other country in the world.
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Well... shit
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Context?shel311 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:39 pmWell... shit
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If you look at flu and pneumonia deaths, they appear to be at 5 year lows in graphs, I think i've posted some.
It gives the appearance that the huge drops are linked to COVID based on the timing.
But that link Nick posted shows that it's actually just a lag in reporting that is the reason why those deaths appear to be much lower right now.
It gives the appearance that the huge drops are linked to COVID based on the timing.
But that link Nick posted shows that it's actually just a lag in reporting that is the reason why those deaths appear to be much lower right now.
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2 nursing homes in Toronto had workers walk off the job cause of Covid. smh
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Lots of optimism in today's press conference including curve flattening, governors "not calling us for stuff anymore", and historic week in the market.
False positivity possibly but big change in the tone.
I hope its not too early but man I am ready for this shit to be over.
False positivity possibly but big change in the tone.
I hope its not too early but man I am ready for this shit to be over.
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The pool i swim laps at and the gym i go to all closed for the foreseeable future bc of corona 
dont expect the pool to be open anytime soon bc its on a college campus.
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Chlorine is specifically cited as a great Covid killer.
Bring them the report!
Bring them the report!