2092 Season Thread - The Wolfe of NDLB

[Graywolf357]

so to recap

- dont vote AS
- dont vote HOF
- auto draft

what the fuck is the point of playing? set the lineup weekly? bet the CPU does that too.

Something Nick and I actually agree on.

If Luna was so lights out for 10 years he should be a little higher than 11th in the all-time saves list at 380 something. I would never vote for a closer that doesn't break into the top 10 and all time saves. But that's just me

What was he saving in San Diego? Put him on a better team more saves.

[shel311]

If Luna was so lights out for 10 years he should be a little higher than 11th in the all-time saves list at 380 something. I would never vote for a closer that doesn't break into the top 10 and all time saves. But that's just me

He wasn't a closer, and his role and what he did was infinitely more valuable than a closer.

[Whittness10]

Morgan Morrissey was never a closer for me way back when and he got inducted in. Funny thing is I never voted for him, even though he was on my own team.

[GeorgesGoons]

If Luna was so lights out for 10 years he should be a little higher than 11th in the all-time saves list at 380 something. I would never vote for a closer that doesn't break into the top 10 and all time saves. But that's just me

He wasn't a closer, and his role and what he did was infinitely more valuable than a closer.

I don't even remember who he was. It lists him as a closer and he was 11th in all time saves. That's what I went off of.

[DRiccio21]

I don't even remember who he was. It lists him as a closer and he was 11th in all time saves. That's what I went off of.

no offense, but this is probably higher end thinking when it comes to HOF voting. at least he put some effort in as absurd as that rationale is.

i would guess most just look at whatever their 1 metric is that they value and click down the line or even less than that.

if we think that is better than letting an objective measure decide for us then so be it. i just prefer our history is documented in a way that reflects how guys actually were not just what randomness our group of owners was on that day.

[GeorgesGoons]

With the HOF talks:
Alfredo Fernandez 28 years old
Jaws 46.5 (HOF average for LF is 64)
black ink score of 18 (HOF average is 40)
grey ink score of 100 (HOF average is 187)

[GeorgesGoons]

I don't even remember who he was. It lists him as a closer and he was 11th in all time saves. That's what I went off of.

no offense, but this is probably higher end thinking when it comes to HOF voting. at least he put some effort in as absurd as that rationale is.

I don't even know if that was a jab at me

For hitters I look at a couple of things. If they were a base hitter I want to see at least 3k hits. If they are a power hitter I want to see 500 HR's. For me those are automatics to get into the HOF. If they were more well rounded I take into account WAR and where they place in hits/doubles/triples/stolen bases/ HR's/ RBI's/ career average.

I always have a hard time with pitchers that aren't absolute no-brainers. I look at their stats page and see how many times they led the league in a category. I also look at their BNN page and see how many times and where they placed in the top 5/ top 10 in each category (yes I know black/grey ink)

WAR can be a little skewed, some great hitters lout there don't have great WAR because they weren't excellent at defense.

[DRiccio21]

it was a jab at the fact most of us don't put in the effort or time to create ballots that are reflective of who truly deserves to be in.

we probably get 90% of it right since they are no brainers but we also probably have missed a handful of guys.

i try to look over it if i have time that morning but i certainly don't do it perfectly and based on your comment you didn't know who he is and only looked at his spot on the saves list i'd say you probably don't either.

i'm certain there are a handful of guys who put in a lot of effort and put in excellent ballots. i would rather they have the votes

as i said earlier, all i want is a fair process that documents our leagues history in a way we can look back in 40 seasons and be confident the hall of fame was done properly.

this isn't something i'm crazy passionate about, i don't mind voting for hall of fame. i just dont think we do as good of a job as the AI would

[nick]

Just for the record.. I’m trolling Dave. He’s in the Al beast and he’s made it very clear (in quick trade declines) that Miami/New England will never see eye to eye. And I love every second of it. I’ll fuck with him til the end of time. But it’s all lovie (smith) even if it comes off bad.

Can’t pick on shel - he’s a Republican

Can’t pick on AJ - he’s too old

Can’t pick on Corey - wins too god damn often

[DRiccio21]

Who’s AJ?

[Cnasty]

Al beast

[nick]

Hollywood - Corey
Macho - Me
Nash - Dave
Hall - AJ
XPac - Shel

Rodmans hair leans Miami but Macho Man >> as I’m rocking his pink (fuchsia?) shirt as I type this.

[GeorgesGoons]

it was a jab at the fact most of us don't put in the effort or time to create ballots that are reflective of who truly deserves to be in.

we probably get 90% of it right since they are no brainers but we also probably have missed a handful of guys.

i try to look over it if i have time that morning but i certainly don't do it perfectly and based on your comment you didn't know who he is and only looked at his spot on the saves list i'd say you probably don't either.

i'm certain there are a handful of guys who put in a lot of effort and put in excellent ballots. i would rather they have the votes

as i said earlier, all i want is a fair process that documents our leagues history in a way we can look back in 40 seasons and be confident the hall of fame was done properly.

this isn't something i'm crazy passionate about, i don't mind voting for hall of fame. i just dont think we do as good of a job as the AI would

When it comes to pitchers I have a real hard time deciphering what is truly elite over a career. Hitting is extremely easy to me, probably because I played in the field and never saw the bump (except once in BP and that went horrible as I may have thrown just 1 strike in 30 or so pitches).

[nick]

Vice News @Vice
GM nick has agreed to the 2023 Version of OOTP.


With myself resigning for another 3ish seasons, there’s rumours that I may be the great Miamian (???) ever.

[shel311]

Hollywood - Corey
Macho - Me
Nash - Dave
Hall - AJ
XPac - Shel

Rodmans hair leans Miami but Macho Man >> as I’m rocking his pink (fuchsia?) shirt as I type this.

[TheGobOne]

Vice News @Vice
GM nick has agreed to the 2023 Version of OOTP.


With myself resigning for another 3ish seasons, there’s rumours that I may be the great Miamian (???) ever.

How long do you think our seasons are lol. This is a 10 season contract bud. You're locked in now. Can't quit until you get another title, that's the rule.

[nick]

what you guys think the record is for most seasons played in ootp? I know they got football manager records in Guinness.

[dakshdar]

"Normal" Relievers don't deserve the HOF IMO, but Luna wasn't a normal reliever.


Dude had a 10 year stretch where he averaged over 5 WAR per season and averaged over 100 innings pitched per season...and put up at least 3.8 WAR in each of those 10 seasons.

No other reliever in our 80 year history has even half the argument for HOF that Luna does.

There's nothing rational about our voting (or not-voting as it is) for relievers.

Morales retired 20 years before Luna started pitching. He would have been in any normal HOF well before we were comparing the two.

Morales eclipsed the save record by 150 at the time he retired pitching the same number of seasons that the guy in 2nd. He closed for 20 seasons. We barely have guys manage to stay employed into their mid-30s now.

He pitched in more games than any player in our league history.

He retired when he was 42 years old in 2052. In 2051 in finishing his 41 year old season, he was 3rd in reliever of the year voting for his league.

And he pitched before "stopper" was a thing in OOTP. Could he have put up ridiculous WAR numbers pitching an extra 0.1-0.2 IP per appearance, certainly. But he retired a few decades too early for that.

[nick]

Total war / innings pitched

Sort by best to worst and see how he stacks up.

I voted for Luna I would assume cause he has a 130 HOF monitor, but in general people need to relax with the 1 inning boys and their place in history.

[nick]

Luna at 61 WAR would be 6th lowest on the list of HOF Pitchers.

however, based on WAR/IP... He'd be... #1

which leads me to believe that reliever WAR is broken

WAR/IP

Spoiler!

Rank Name WAR/IP
1 Juan Luna 0.0429
2 Bill Quinn 0.0379
3 Michael Chamberlain 0.0347
4 Brian Bryan 0.0343
5 Erik Murphy 0.0331
6 Juan Lugo 0.0328
7 Pete Denson 0.0318
8 José Rodríguez 0.0311
9 Christian McCarty 0.0310
10 Pablo Esparza 0.0305
11 Jim Reyes 0.0304
12 Tim Campbell 0.0304
13 Calvin Jamison 0.0303
14 Jeremy McGuire 0.0300
15 Jorge Pacheco 0.0297
16 Jesús Rivera 0.0291
17 Chris Oliver 0.0289
18 Thomas Washington 0.0288
19 Alberto Villanueva 0.0280
20 Mike Hoffman 0.0278
21 Robert Anderson 0.0273
22 Thomas Robbins 0.0272
23 Morton O'Quinn 0.0271
24 Juan Moreno 0.0271
25 Jeremy Lehman 0.0267
26 Steven Hays 0.0266
27 Scott Wright 0.0265
28 Javier Trevino 0.0261
29 Pablo García 0.0261
30 Kent Clark 0.0256
31 Júlio Ayala 0.0252
32 David Smith 0.0251
33 William Thomas 0.0250
34 Ian Hairston 0.0250
35 Todd Walker 0.0249
36 Jim Garrett 0.0245
37 Cisco Ramírez 0.0243
38 Erik White 0.0240
39 Morgan Morrissey 0.0234
40 Bennie Espinosa 0.0231
41 Oliver Ladd 0.0225
42 Luis Polanco 0.0224
43 Eduardo Morán 0.0217
44 Alden Plummer 0.0211
45 Jorge Mejía 0.0172