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DRiccio21 wrote:If it wasn't 'only until after the media showed up' that they stopped firing then how do we have footage of before during and after the firefight.

you think the head guy was looking around and said... 'shit there is WJAR, stop firing... I think I see Erin Burnett coming, everyone smile!'

Mmmmmmmmmmm,Erin Burnett

DRiccio21 wrote:If it wasn't 'only until after the media showed up' that they stopped firing then how do we have footage of before during and after the firefight.

you think the head guy was looking around and said... 'shit there is WJAR, stop firing... I think I see Erin Burnett coming, everyone smile!'

We do? Please, show me footage of the firefight. I've seen footage of the AUDIO of the firefight, but I've yet to see a video showing the boat and their bullets hitting.

jsence2 wrote:

DRiccio21 wrote:If it wasn't 'only until after the media showed up' that they stopped firing then how do we have footage of before during and after the firefight.

you think the head guy was looking around and said... 'shit there is WJAR, stop firing... I think I see Erin Burnett coming, everyone smile!'

We do? Please, show me footage of the firefight. I've seen footage of the AUDIO of the firefight, but I've yet to see a video showing the boat and their bullets hitting.

Jesus

I posted a video of the cops shooting at the boat. If you aren't buying into that, wow lol.

shel311 wrote:

jsence2 wrote:

DRiccio21 wrote:If it wasn't 'only until after the media showed up' that they stopped firing then how do we have footage of before during and after the firefight.

you think the head guy was looking around and said... 'shit there is WJAR, stop firing... I think I see Erin Burnett coming, everyone smile!'

We do? Please, show me footage of the firefight. I've seen footage of the AUDIO of the firefight, but I've yet to see a video showing the boat and their bullets hitting.

Jesus

That's my point. People took videos of the sound of gunfire and everyone just assumes that whatever the media reports is correct. My point was, he didn't open fire on them....so based on what they did, it appears they had no intentions of taking him alive until the media showed up close enough that they couldn't kill him, and then they said "well, let's try to take him alive now"

unreal

Fwiw, you make some of the most unreal leaps with virtually no information.

Over and over.

DRiccio21 wrote:unreal

Its crazy.

shel311 wrote:Fwiw, you make some of the most unreal leaps with virtually no information.

Over and over.

How is that unreal?????

Cops open fire on a boat with over 100 rounds of ammunition and initially say that they got into a "shootout" with the suspect. Then later, they suddenly want to take him alive and he's found with no guns, no bombs, nothing of any kind. Now explain to me how you have a SHOOTOUT with an unarmed man?!?!

And then explain to me how you are trying to take someone alive and you decide "hey, let's fire over 150 rounds at him, no way we'll kill him"???

Use some fucking logical reasoning instead of just laughing off what I'm saying and you'll have the same conclusion that I have--that it doesn't make sense!

Wow, not much else to say man.

jsence2 wrote:that it doesn't make sense!

of course it doesn't... it never does. the world is out to get us and we're all not of the intellectual capacity to understand these injustices that are happening around us. we're all dopes! its just you and the dudes at infowars who get it.

and Floyd Mayweather knows about the outcomes of NBA games before they are going to happen. and Anon is about to take down the NY Stock exchange and Kentucky always gets screwed by refs.

the truth is, nobody knows the truth.

jsence2 wrote:Use some fucking logical reasoning instead of just laughing off what I'm saying and you'll have the same conclusion that I have--that it doesn't make sense!

I don't care why they decided to take him alive.
I don't blame them one bit for trying to blow him away.

He committed crimes period.
Let's just say that he was innocent as far as the bombs, then why flee from the cops?
Why get in an SUV and drive through a barricade?

U r making the same arguments we r, just from the other side of the fence.


If u r truly innocent, then why flee?
In my opinion, the minute you flee, you deserve what you get.

I have said it before. When a person of authority says freeze, you freeze.
If the judicial system is as good as you say it is and he is innocent until proven guilty then again, why run?

Lets say he freaked out and fled, once you realize what is going on, why not turn yourself in?

I never once said it was a conspiracy or a cover-up. I said there are a ton of questions that I have, and the answers don't make any sense.

If you want to mock me to make yourself feel better, then go ahead. But mocking me doesn't make my points any less valid, and neither does your disagreement with them. I don't ever go to "Infowars", I don't believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories. But I also don't fucking believe a single word that comes from a government run by people whose early campaign strategies include going after someone's mental health history because they once suffered from depression, rather than trying to beat them based on their stances and beliefs. (see Mitch McConnell and his planning sessions vs Ashley Judd) And that's just one example.

We live in a world where the corrupt and the powerful run everything. We get shocked at how long these mayors and governors can run these elaborate criminal schemes, and yet we scoff and laugh at the thought of the federal government, the President, the FBI, the CIA being able to do the same thing. We live in a nation where people are more concerned about who Kim Kardashian is fucking than who the government is fucking--oh yeah, THAT'S US.

So mock me all you want to. The truth of the matter is, history repeats itself. It's one of the big reasons I studied it in college, it helps us see where we've come from and where we are headed. You mock me, yet you forget the fact that Nazi Germany, the facist regime in Italy under Mussolini, and many other regimes that took totalitarian and absolutist power did so by doing some of the same things that you claim can't be done, that couldn't ever happen. You say "oh, well if that was happening, then people would point it out". Well when people do that and nobody says "hey, what if by the 0.00001% chance they're right? Let's demand some answers!" and instead tells them they're stupid because the government gave them this information.....well, you have your answer as to how they could do it and get away with it.

Thomas Jefferson is a brilliant man. He knew that one of the biggest ways that the government was kept in check was the media. Too bad that now, the majority of the media that people get their news from is controlled by 6 corporations, and every single one of them has political ties to a specific party and/or specific politicians. And people rely on these sources for all their information. Good luck with that.

"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories."--Thomas Jefferson

I did wonder myself if he ever did fire on them from the boat or what prompted them to open fire.

Didnt the owner find him out, bloody,and laying there? Did they discover a weapon when they got him out of the boat?

Im surprised from the videos and sounds I heard with how they unloaded on him that he survived that and the boat didnt blow up with half a tank of gas in it.

The_Niddler wrote:

jsence2 wrote:Use some fucking logical reasoning instead of just laughing off what I'm saying and you'll have the same conclusion that I have--that it doesn't make sense!

I don't care why they decided to take him alive.
I don't blame them one bit for trying to blow him away.

He committed crimes period.
Let's just say that he was innocent as far as the bombs, then why flee from the cops?
Why get in an SUV and drive through a barricade?

U r making the same arguments we r, just from the other side of the fence.


If u r truly innocent, then why flee?
In my opinion, the minute you flee, you deserve what you get.

I have said it before. When a person of authority says freeze, you freeze.
If the judicial system is as good as you say it is and he is innocent until proven guilty then again, why run?

Lets say he freaked out and fled, once you realize what is going on, why not turn yourself in?

I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm saying I have questions that I'd like answers to; as we all should. I'm saying the FBI said and did things that don't make sense, and for once the American people should call them on their bullshit instead of letting them do what they want and never answering for it. Just like Waco, just like every other thing they've fucked up.

My end point is that if you suspend the Constitution, if you suspend the Bill of Rights, then two things happen:

1) You've given the terrorists more power and more victory than they ever could achieve otherwise, because you've now taken away the VERY THING that makes America better than any other nation in the world--the liberties and freedoms guaranteed by those two documents!!! If you say "well this is different, he's a terrorist", THEY'VE WON! He's an American, and like his crime or not, like his punishment or not, he's still an American, and he's still guaranteed those rights. And until the day comes where the Constitution or the Bill of Rights suddenly are found to say "well, unless they do _______; then they can have their rights taken away", he's still entitled to those rights!!!! That's why we have a legal system, that's why we have courts, to dole out the punishment that is due to him!

2) You've now given the government a precedent to do this whenever they choose. You've given them the golden ticket to violate the very laws that govern THEM. And the moment that happens, you lose those rights forever. The founding fathers knew this, and that's why they wrote these documents the way they did.

I hate what the kid did, and he'll answer for what he did. That said, I think there's more to this than what the media and the government are telling us. I don't think he did it and that's the end of it; and I don't think it's a massive government conspiracy. But I think the answer lies in-between, as it often does, and I think the government, the FBI, etc know more than they're saying. The only people who can hold the government accountable are the people of the United States of America. But we stopped doing that over 40 years ago, so why should anybody expect we'd start doing it now?

Cnasty wrote:I did wonder myself if he ever did fire on them from the boat or what prompted them to open fire.

Didnt the owner find him out, bloody,and laying there? Did they discover a weapon when they got him out of the boat?

Im surprised from the videos and sounds I heard with how they unloaded on him that he survived that and the boat didnt blow up with half a tank of gas in it.

Thank you. See, these are valid questions. Why can't we have answers?

I'll always wonder if they'd opened fire and hit the gas tank, if the story would've been "well he blew up the boat and tried to kill the cops".

They found no weapons or explosives, C, they said so on the scanner. The old guy saw him in there curled up in a ball, and called the cops. Cops showed up, yelled at him over a megaphone, and when he didn't come out, they opened fire.

mocking you doesn't make me feel better, at all. I like you, you know this. i'm just calling it how I see it.

its easier to just believe the powerful are out to get us and we're all pawns in some Truman show. if you go on twitter right now and search Boston you'll get Boston Conspiracy as one of the first results. EVERYONE thinks the way you and trendon do, that's my point. being the anti-gov't, world is out to get us is like being a hipster. they think they are so different and progressing for the greater good, in reality, they are exactly the same.

you are reciting the same shit that you can find on an episode of Newsroom.

jsence2 wrote: They found no weapons or explosives, C, they said so on the scanner. The old guy saw him in there curled up in a ball, and called the cops. Cops showed up, yelled at him over a megaphone, and when he didn't come out, they opened fire.

so we don't know what really happened, cause the media/gov't isn't being forthcoming.

but you know this stuff for sure.

that makes sense.

DRiccio21 wrote: you are reciting the same shit that you can find on an episode of Newsroom.

Thinking about watching this show, worth it?

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It's not about them being out to get us. It's about those addicted to power craving more of it.