Re: COVID-19
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:21 pm
I don't agree with cutting funds to zero. But definitely cut it to where everyone else pays their fair share, like what he did with UN funding.
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Re: COVID-19
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:37 pm
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:42 pm
At home deaths of people suspected of having COVID, per the mayor's press secretary.
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Re: COVID-19
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:15 pm
Crowes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:53 am Maybe someone can shed some light on this as I live in a deep red state and see it on a daily basis on social media. How are repubs sqauring the circle of trump doing an good job in his response but also saying their rights are being taken away by the response to the virus thus hating on his response in the same breath?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question... chronologically...
- They were ok with his time to act
- They were ok with his 15 day deal
- Some governors went well beyond that based on what they saw
- Governors continue to expand and push timelines further
- Our impatient society is beginning to push back, they believe they've done enough and now governor's are crossing the line by going beyond what they feel is necessary
- As for the "Trump can open everything up stuff..." didn't hear it and don't know the context.
But it seems pretty straightforward to me.
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:17 pm
My biggest issues are that I don't see a good plan to get out of this and I don't see real timelines. I've been talking about that lack of a go forward plan and how it specifically impacts early adopters, for awhile. If they'd come out with an outline, chatter would quiet down.
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:33 pm
When you defund public health services for years and years and years we kinda fucked ourselves didnt we? To be able to return to any kind of normalcy does there not need to be a massive infux of testing in every corner of the country and the ability to trace back infections to contain them? We kinda have none of that right now from what I've read.ReignOnU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:17 pm My biggest issues are that I don't see a good plan to get out of this and I don't see real timelines. I've been talking about that lack of a go forward plan and how it specifically impacts early adopters, for awhile. If they'd come out with an outline, chatter would quiet down.
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:01 pm
Trump now saying he'll speak to all governor's to "authorize" each of them to come up with their own plan to reopen their states how they see fit.... 
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:37 am
Not sure how you think all of that is connected. The private sector drives our health care. The only major input we've had from the public side hasn't been very helpful so far. I can't imagine what it would have looked like had they been running the show for the last 10-20yrs.Crowes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:33 pmWhen you defund public health services for years and years and years we kinda fucked ourselves didnt we? To be able to return to any kind of normalcy does there not need to be a massive infux of testing in every corner of the country and the ability to trace back infections to contain them? We kinda have none of that right now from what I've read.ReignOnU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:17 pm My biggest issues are that I don't see a good plan to get out of this and I don't see real timelines. I've been talking about that lack of a go forward plan and how it specifically impacts early adopters, for awhile. If they'd come out with an outline, chatter would quiet down.
Track and trace, on the level of SK, isn't going to happen in the US. We're more than 6x bigger in population and nearly 100x bigger in land area. To put it into perspective, SK is roughly the size of the state of NY with 2.5x the people. That's just size difference... we haven't even started on state governments, local governments, the various religions, the ethnic backgrounds, or political leanings. Good luck getting Billy Bob to download an app or agree to any other form of monitoring.
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:36 am
Nobody should ever put an app on their phone like this. If something like this happens I expect Trending to stop by and give us a great rant about our constitutional rights.
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:40 am
If our government was in charge of healthcare we would have a death rate closer to Italy than what we currently have, which is below the world's death rate. If you think otherwise please explain why Crowed? What makes you think that our government could manage healthcare better than the private sector?
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:01 am
Don't you have government healthcare?GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:40 amIf our government was in charge of healthcare we would have a death rate closer to Italy than what we currently have, which is below the world's death rate. If you think otherwise please explain why Crowed? What makes you think that our government could manage healthcare better than the private sector?
Why wouldn't our results be more like Germany? Why do automatically go to worse case you can think of
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:12 am
I go to a civilian doctor. I pay health insurance just like everyone else, but it is WAY less than what everyone else would pay, < $600 a year for a family of 3.Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:01 amDon't you have government healthcare?GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:40 amIf our government was in charge of healthcare we would have a death rate closer to Italy than what we currently have, which is below the world's death rate. If you think otherwise please explain why Crowed? What makes you think that our government could manage healthcare better than the private sector?
Now when I was in the military you could consider that government health care and it was inadequate at best. But the nature of care for military doctors is to get the fighting force back to the battlefield, so you get a lot of ibuprofen, told to drink some water, stretch and do push-ups and then you are cleared for duty. (Sarcasm)
The wait list to get things done in the military would take months. I have plantar fasciitis and it took just over 2 months to get an appointment for a consultation on whether steroid shots, surgery or inserts was the best route of treatment. That was a long 2 months because you can't stop being a soldier and are expected to do all those soldier things (on your feet a lot)
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 am
What makes you believe our government can run this as well as Germany? What have you seen in the past 20-30 years in politics that would make your enthusiasm increase if this was ran by politicians. These politicians, all of them, do not care about you. All they care about is somehow lining their pocket
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 am
So the answer is yes you have a government healthcare plan. You literally said nothing there but trying to justify your amazing socialized healthcare plan as somehow bad lolGeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:12 amI go to a civilian doctor. I pay health insurance just like everyone else, but it is WAY less than what everyone else would pay, < $600 a year for a family of 3.Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:01 amDon't you have government healthcare?GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:40 amIf our government was in charge of healthcare we would have a death rate closer to Italy than what we currently have, which is below the world's death rate. If you think otherwise please explain why Crowed? What makes you think that our government could manage healthcare better than the private sector?
Now when I was in the military you could consider that government health care and it was inadequate at best. But the nature of care for military doctors is to get the fighting force back to the battlefield, so you get a lot of ibuprofen, told to drink some water, stretch and do push-ups and then you are cleared for duty. (Sarcasm)
The wait list to get things done in the military would take months. I have plantar fasciitis and it took just over 2 months to get an appointment for a consultation on whether steroid shots, surgery or inserts was the best route of treatment. That was a long 2 months because you can't stop being a soldier and are expected to do all those soldier things (on your feet a lot)
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:22 am
You honestly aren't that stupid. I know you are not. Please explain how you got me justifying socialized medicine there.Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 amYou literally said nothing there but trying to justify your amazing socialized healthcare plan as somehow bad lolGeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:12 amI go to a civilian doctor. I pay health insurance just like everyone else, but it is WAY less than what everyone else would pay, < $600 a year for a family of 3.Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:01 amDon't you have government healthcare?GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:40 amIf our government was in charge of healthcare we would have a death rate closer to Italy than what we currently have, which is below the world's death rate. If you think otherwise please explain why Crowed? What makes you think that our government could manage healthcare better than the private sector?
Now when I was in the military you could consider that government health care and it was inadequate at best. But the nature of care for military doctors is to get the fighting force back to the battlefield, so you get a lot of ibuprofen, told to drink some water, stretch and do push-ups and then you are cleared for duty. (Sarcasm)
The wait list to get things done in the military would take months. I have plantar fasciitis and it took just over 2 months to get an appointment for a consultation on whether steroid shots, surgery or inserts was the best route of treatment. That was a long 2 months because you can't stop being a soldier and are expected to do all those soldier things (on your feet a lot)
You asked if I got government healthcare. I said I didn't and the closest to government healthcare was while I was in the military. And that care was inadequate at best. And I wouldn't call military healthcare government healthcare, because their priorities are fifferent, which I thought was clear enough for you to understand. Their priority is to get the force fit enough to fight, hence my sarcasm in the post. Ask any other Army guy, and I presume Marine, and ask what's the favorite treatment from the army doctors. Spoiler alert, it's ibuprofen
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:26 am
And I would assume when people think government healthcare, they believe it is the government running the hospitals and health insurances.
And to label my healthcare as government ran just shows your ignorance on the subject.
And to label my healthcare as government ran just shows your ignorance on the subject.
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:28 am
You do realize you and me are the ones that hold them accountable right? We have only ourselves to blame for the fact they don't care about us because we allow them to control us with bullshit issues that don't effect the average American one bit but those issues control the way a huge number of them vote..... Ie abortion, religious view, gay rights, or other social crap.GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 amWhat makes you believe our government can run this as well as Germany? What have you seen in the past 20-30 years in politics that would make your enthusiasm increase if this was ran by politicians. These politicians, all of them, do not care about you. All they care about is somehow lining their pocket
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:31 am
I certainly don't disagree, but I do think it's funny that we all blindly give all of our info to Facebook, Google, and Apple with no complaints.GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:36 am Nobody should ever put an app on their phone like this.
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:32 am
Having to pay less than 600 bucks a year for a healthcare plan that is government run sounds like a pretty good justification to me
Re: COVID-19
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:33 am
Mostly true. We can't hold them responsible if the republican/democrat party doesn't allow for fresh faces to come up with fresh ideas.Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:28 amYou do realize you and me are the ones that hold them accountable right? We have only ourselves to blame for the fact they don't care about us because we allow them to control us with bullshit issues that don't effect the average American one bit but those issues control the way a huge number of them vote..... Ie abortion, religious view, gay rights, or other social crap.GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 amWhat makes you believe our government can run this as well as Germany? What have you seen in the past 20-30 years in politics that would make your enthusiasm increase if this was ran by politicians. These politicians, all of them, do not care about you. All they care about is somehow lining their pocket