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GeorgesGoons wrote:Well I dont think the weak side counter doesnt work. Opponent picks strong side run and I picked weak side counter and shifted my O-Line to protect to the weak side and a DT still went untouched through the middle. What gives?

Sounds like there defense was on aggressive and jumped the snap to me. I have found any toss play, and especially the fake to the FB and toss wide to the HB blow up someone committing to the run up the middle. Not a big deal I think really, rewards you for knowing what your opponent is going to do, it is a guessing game, you guess wrong and you give up 6 much of the time, no reason to restrict it I think. But at the same time, we need to either ban it completely, or learn to deal with it and not punish our opponents on there coaching reports scores for being good at it.

Weasel wrote:

Hoos wrote:Fuck, I'm going to be horrible this seaosn. I haven't even played enough to know what half that shit ppl are talking about in this thread even is.

I still dont even have the game

Does having it on the 360 count?

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DRWebs wrote:

shel311 wrote:Personally, I think the Run mid/run right/run left is much like how shitty line crashing was back when that 1st came out.

You can gain a decided advantage using it, more of an advantage then the offense can get, IMO.


I cant stand it and stopped using it altogether.

It just seems like if you pick one fo them and the run goes another way, it can still be stopped in the backfield WAY too often.

Yep. All you have to do is pick run middle and it seems like it clogs up everything.

Not if you have a fast back or you call a toss, stretch, or off-tackle run (at least from what I've seen).

fsupenguin wrote:

GeorgesGoons wrote:Well I dont think the weak side counter doesnt work. Opponent picks strong side run and I picked weak side counter and shifted my O-Line to protect to the weak side and a DT still went untouched through the middle. What gives?

Sounds like there defense was on aggressive and jumped the snap to me. I have found any toss play, and especially the fake to the FB and toss wide to the HB blow up someone committing to the run up the middle. Not a big deal I think really, rewards you for knowing what your opponent is going to do, it is a guessing game, you guess wrong and you give up 6 much of the time, no reason to restrict it I think. But at the same time, we need to either ban it completely, or learn to deal with it and not punish our opponents on there coaching reports scores for being good at it.

good points there Pengy....as with all things NDL there is a time and place to use some of the gadgets they like to try and implement. If someone has some moral issues with it then fine but don't punish people who do use it ( at times) on their reports. The few online games Ive played ive used it late in games when im trying to force a punt so i can have a chance toget the ball back because im losing!

See the issue I have with this particular feature is that it can so easily be abused.
Now while some or even most of us will probably not abuse this feature, it can so easily be abused.
Kind of the saying 1 bad apple ruins the bunch.

Also I dont know about you, but even if I get one game where someone decided to cheese or intentionally abuse a feature... It ruins that game for me, and sometimes my mood for the game. Now that is just me.

Now I know some may say they didnt realize it takes advantage of flaws I have hard it all the time, but sometimes there is a reason something is so effective.

Hell I been accused before of questionable play, and I know I have felt others have had questionable calls tatics, either late in a game or all game long.
It is a part of the beast of different opinions and different ways of seeing things.
But there are some things that if you look at them you can obviously tell they take advantage of certain AI flaws, imo the run guessing that causes crashing is one of them.

I played doc last night and was telling him about it, and exactly what I was talking about..
I was running a 3/4 def so i picked a nickle didnt even get to finish setting up my user control guy or lbs, but his toss that I intentionally guess wrong on guess who made the tackle less then a second after the toss, the outside DE who almost caught the toss for him.

Now I know we all say the main part of this league is fun, but lets be real we are all very competitive people, and when the game starts we all wanna win the game, and we all hope to have winning seasons. So that is why people taking advantage of flaws bother us all so much, cause while we can all accept losing in a competitive manner we dont wanna lose because someone was abusing flaws.

6ftdeep wrote:It ruins that game for me, and sometimes my mood for the game. Now that is just me.

Truer words have never come from you.

If someone does it every single play where they think run, I basically stop running and pass every down because its not even worth it and so annoying.

Sometimes when you commit on the run you even pick off passes.

Right Nasty...lol

From the limited viewing of the guess run feature the problem is clearly that the game forgets that there are actual lineman that will still be blocking even if the defense guesses the play.

The two things that I've noticed are that the DT will come in unblocked despite a guard being 2 feet away. Also the tackle likes to leave the DE unblocked so the DE gets in right as you get the handoff and there is no room to make a move.

However, even as shitty at this game as I am, I started to see ways around it. Last night, I started giving the look that I was running one way and then switched the run to the opposite side. I also had a long run when Nole picked pass. So, I can see a trend of more audibles and running to different sides out of the same base look happening.

Dolemitesooner wrote:Right Nasty...lol

102 yards apparently for 6 with less than a minute left even!!

It would be awesome if the Defense gave you some clue that it guessed. If it did you could then audible. Has anyone seen anything like this?

So are we going to make a rule against the gimmicks?

I think we leave the strategy on normal and use our skills instead of gimmicks to determine the score. I know there is no way to tell if people are abusing them or not..but are we not all adults here?
Ive used the jump snap 1 game against Big Mike, and honestly thought he was being a drama queen when he told me he had about 3 seconds if that to pass (sorry mike) I personally have not used any gimmicks since that game...but have played guys who end up with 135 strategy points at the end of the game. I couldnt run...and it seemed every 3rd down I was getting jumped snapped. Its not a fun game when its 3rd and more then 5 and your QB is getting hit before your WR can run a 6 yard curl or a drag across the field.

Like I was asking is there going to be some sort of rule against them...or should we all start practicing with them?

Ank wrote:So are we going to make a rule against the gimmicks?

I think we leave the strategy on normal and use our skills instead of gimmicks to determine the score. I know there is no way to tell if people are abusing them or not..but are we not all adults here?
Ive used the jump snap 1 game against Big Mike, and honestly thought he was being a drama queen when he told me he had about 3 seconds if that to pass (sorry mike) I personally have not used any gimmicks since that game...but have played guys who end up with 135 strategy points at the end of the game. I couldnt run...and it seemed every 3rd down I was getting jumped snapped. Its not a fun game when its 3rd and more then 5 and your QB is getting hit before your WR can run a 6 yard curl or a drag across the field.

Like I was asking is there going to be some sort of rule against them...or should we all start practicing with them?

I think we are mature enough to use them in moderation. I would hate to play with everything on normal since I like to use the conservative option quite often. I do predict pass on 3rd and long 80 percent of the time, but doing this I've noticed that the oposing QB gets sacked quite a bit, which happened to ChampDizzle in a Ladder game so I'm going to tone that down to about 20 percent and just pick and choose when its appropriate.

The only major ones with the issues are the guess run and the jump snap that I have seen.

The others are a risk reward type thing and penalize the player overly using them anyways and aren't a "glitch" as we call them.

I know the only one I use is play the pass, but that is nothing overblown like the others. It is simply like committing from previous versions to the pass.

ReignOnU wrote:I think it is an awareness adjustment for the LBs/DBs. I've noticed more knocked down passes with using it. It also seems that they shade a bit deeper. Instead of playing tight coverage, they sit just behind the player, allowing the pass to come in, but then they will light up the WR when the pass is being caught, causing an incomplete pass. I'll try to watch the line more in my upcoming games.

i think there are way too many big hits blowing up receivers and making them drop passes over the middle.

...that gets on my nerves, but i do like the outsmarting parts of this game because I know I can dominate that Canadian mental midget

i'm seeing alot of my players jumping the snap, even though I didn't try to predict a play, anyone getting that?

Mtwasik wrote:i'm seeing alot of my players jumping the snap, even though I didn't try to predict a play, anyone getting that?

That is cause you have the defensive line agg/con set to aggressive

6ftdeep wrote:

Mtwasik wrote:i'm seeing alot of my players jumping the snap, even though I didn't try to predict a play, anyone getting that?

That is cause you have the defensive line agg/con set to aggressive

No, its doing that at times when I don't have it set to that

i just wanna know how guys are getting to my qb with out blitzing? i will have 5 blockers vs 3 d-lineman and 1 lb who comes in untouched to sack me or rush me to pass and i got witnesses

oldschoola wrote:i just wanna know how guys are getting to my qb with out blitzing? i will have 5 blockers vs 3 d-lineman and 1 lb who comes in untouched to sack me or rush me to pass and i got witnesses

Bama said it's because you drop back with your QB about 1.2456335411 milimeters with your QB.

ahh crowes is right he is full of shit