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Don't tell Flacco he's not elite.

I would take the elite QB also if I drafted top 5.

nick wrote:i love Ray Lewis, but the one thing that bugs me about him is this God shit he goes off on. "God wanted us to win!", if God exists, I honestly doubt he's watching the outcome of an American Football game and not monitoring the millions of starving kids around the kid. Add into the fact that Ray Lewis is a murderer, or accessory, and ya, just looks ridiculous to me.

Holy shit, I'm in agreement with Nick.

I might have to re-think my stance...

dakshdar wrote:They can all do what they want, Dave. But in Ray's case, I think it makes him look clearly selfish/self-centered and that's one of the few qualities in a person that I really dislike.

selfish and self centered is something i think should be left for guys who think they are better than others, that their life is more important than another mans. Ray is arrogant, cocky, confident, attention whore: maybe. but not self centered/selfish, imo.

i'm a prick, arrogant, cocky, etc and i'm one of the most selfless people you'll ever meet. there is a big difference.

I want Ray Lewis and the Ravens to do the Haka. Halota Ngata already knows it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GpTsPNwwms[/youtube]

dakshdar wrote:

shel311 wrote:

Cnasty wrote:Good lord aj is a bitter old man sometimes.

Taking my u bias away, which is near impossible I know, the dude is everything I love about sports and football.

I watch sports to be entertained, he entertains the shit out of me and he is actually one of those guys that backs up his antics with ridiculous playing ability.

A team runs out together

Can I use Dave's "does everyone get a trophy too"?

Get off your high horse and have a little fun

No, sports are serious and we must treat them with the highest of moral standing!!!

I think there a slight difference between moral standing and rooting for players that are involved in major crimes. If we were all bashing on Ray because he had 10 kids with 10 women, that would be a moral issue. But rooting for him when he was an accessory to murder (or rooting for Vick after his criminal past) is a little different.

IMO there is a difference between Vick and Lewis, Vick admitted to and paid his time for the crime.
So I have no problem with Vick.


But in my opinion...

DRiccio21 wrote:Everything a football player should be

to me, that also means being a stand up citizen outside of the game of football.

There are kids that look up to him as a role model and what kind of example has he set? That you can make millions and pay to get out of crimes.
Players like Peyton Manning or Dan Marino, those are the types of players that are everything a football player should be in my opinion.

They are great players on the field and never in trouble off the field and they are great role models for kids.

dakshdar wrote:Don't tell Flacco he's not elite.

Do any of you guys read the Mock NFL quarterbacks on Facebook on a weekly basis?

If not, you should. Hilarious!

Here is the most recent:
http://profootballmock.com/nfl-qbs-on-f ... -were-two/

kids should look up to their parents or coaches or whatever....people who actually influence them everyday. I

I agree AJ, kids should look up to their parents, but in many situations where you have single moms raising kids and the kid does not have a dad in their life, they look up to and aspire to be just like certain athletes.


With all of that said though, I do want to make it clear that I agree with you guys that on the field, Ray Lewis is outstanding and a hall of famer.

Michael Phelps is without a doubt one of the greatest Olympians ever, but he would have never competed in the 2012 London Olympics had it not been for Ray Lewis' words of encouragement. Phelps was present for the Ravens AFC Championship win over the New England Patriots on Sunday, and afterwords said that had it not been for Ray Lewis serving as such an inspiration to him, he may not have competed in London and may never have broken the medal record he owns today. Phelps is a Baltimore native, so it's easy to see why Lewis was his inspiration. But Ravens fan or not, wasn't yesterday awkward enough when it came to Ray Lewis, to then all of a sudden have Michael Phelps show up and fawn over how much of an inspiration Lewis is to humanity?

The_Niddler wrote:

dakshdar wrote:Don't tell Flacco he's not elite.

Do any of you guys read the Mock NFL quarterbacks on Facebook on a weekly basis?

If not, you should. Hilarious!

Here is the most recent:
http://profootballmock.com/nfl-qbs-on-f ... -were-two/

The last three posts in this first section are great.

The_Niddler wrote:

dakshdar wrote:Don't tell Flacco he's not elite.

Do any of you guys read the Mock NFL quarterbacks on Facebook on a weekly basis?

If not, you should. Hilarious!

Here is the most recent:
http://profootballmock.com/nfl-qbs-on-f ... -were-two/

Been reading all season. It's best if you go all the way back and follow the story lines and characters throughout.

The_Niddler wrote:IMO there is a difference between Vick and Lewis, Vick admitted to and paid his time for the crime.

Lewis didn't plead guilty to a crime as well?

AJ wants to tell everyone how lame those things are, but he's biting his tongue so hard right now!


miserable old man!

DRiccio21 wrote:AJ wants to tell everyone how lame those things are, but he's biting his tongue so hard right now!


miserable old man!

what are you talking about?

shel311 wrote:

The_Niddler wrote:IMO there is a difference between Vick and Lewis, Vick admitted to and paid his time for the crime.

Lewis didn't plead guilty to a crime as well?

really? did Lewis plead guilty to murder? cause last i checked hes playing football and not in jail lol

ajalves wrote:

DRiccio21 wrote:AJ wants to tell everyone how lame those things are, but he's biting his tongue so hard right now!


miserable old man!

what are you talking about?

the qb facebook shit. if u dont like it, i agree with you its stupid as fuck.

i actually laughed when Ray Lewis said

the fuck it is!

nick wrote:

shel311 wrote:

The_Niddler wrote:IMO there is a difference between Vick and Lewis, Vick admitted to and paid his time for the crime.

Lewis didn't plead guilty to a crime as well?

really? did Lewis plead guilty to murder? cause last i checked hes playing football and not in jail lol

So he didn't plead guilty to a crime, is what you're telling me?

ajalves wrote:i actually laughed when Ray Lewis said

the fuck it is!

i admit i never read the one above, but throughout the year i tried and they lost their luster cause i mean, i get its a parody but they had QBs talkin about fucking animals and shit or their own sisters. it was dumb.

and shel.

June 1, 2000 — Day 7: Police officers testify that Lewis’s original police statement on Jan. 31 was riddled with lies. Lewis at first denied knowing the names of the people in his limo. He then later identified some of the people in the car, including Oakley (who he called “A.J. Johnson,” an alias). He also originally denied knowing somebody’s head had been cut but later said Oakley “had his head busted.” Lewis refused to sign the statement, saying he had to leave for the Pro Bowl in Hawaii and would answer questions later.

June 5, 2000 — Lewis agrees to a plea bargain — his murder and aggravated assault charges are dropped in exchange for his testimony against Sweeting and Oakley. As part of the deal, he also pleads guilty to obstruction of justice (for telling people in his limo to keep quiet) and receives a year of probation.


lol, so now hes an associate to murder, AND a snitch. And now he has the nerve to look up to God and all his greatness.