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now if you want real science...

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... W0.twitter

Patterns of Covid-19 Mortality and Vitamin D: An Indonesian Study

which is good since humans are Vit D depleted in the winter and the sun/summer is coming so expect cases to drop. problem will be when it returns in the fall when days go shorter and we naturally get Vit D depleted again.

Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:37 pm How it reads to the average person.

Nick = all lives matter. One death is one to many

Georgie = fuck the old people I wanna clean some trucks. They gonna die anyway.

Neither giving an inch

has nothing to do with me going out to work, I'll survive. It sucks not working but I'll get by. And I won't budge on this one, it's not as bad as the media and nick want it to be. And I have a different way of viewing things because there is always an acceptable number of deaths for everything.

nick wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:45 pm now if you want real science...

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... W0.twitter

Patterns of Covid-19 Mortality and Vitamin D: An Indonesian Study

which is good since humans are Vit D depleted in the winter and the sun/summer is coming so expect cases to drop. problem will be when it returns in the fall when days go shorter and we naturally get Vit D depleted again.

People are still going to be vitamin D deficient now. A lot of cities have closed down all parks and trails. Literally one of the best things you can do is be outside and they are missing it with the stay at home order.

White House daily briefing canceled today and stated that it will resume later this week with a new look and focus.


Assuming that means the new focus will be getting things back and opened up, if I had to guess.

Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:37 pm How it reads to the average person.

Nick = all lives matter. One death is one to many

Georgie = fuck the old people I wanna clean some trucks. They gonna die anyway.

Neither giving an inch

Exactly, and it's very pointless.
Of course all (ok, most) doc's are going to say that extreme shutdown is going to be the best way to eradicate the illness. That makes sense
Of course all (ok, most) financial/economic folks are going to say that we need to reopen some things or we will cause irreparable harm to the economy. That makes sense

It's all a spectrum, the US and the world needs to find the balance point where we're both being cautious with at-risk sectors of the population, and not destroying small business and the economy in the process. Too much in either direction is risky/pointless.

It's like a Speed Limit. If we wanted virtually no one to die in car accidents, we'd make the Speed Limit 5 mph (that's 8 kmph) on all roads. But that's untenable, so we don't do that, much like an extended complete and total lockdown is untenable. So the limit is higher on freeways, lesser in cities, and lesser still in neighborhoods/schools. That's the approach that needs to be taken realistically.

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:13 pm No, you are closed minded to anything that doesn't fit what you want it to say.

All they are talking about is how testing has shown that this isn't as deadly as once thought. At one point in the beginning we were going to lose millions of people, then as more testing showed more positives and the deaths didn't elevate with those positives it proves it's not as deadly as first thought.

AND this is with social distancing and closure so imagine if we just stayed status quo.

cougnix wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:35 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:13 pm No, you are closed minded to anything that doesn't fit what you want it to say.

All they are talking about is how testing has shown that this isn't as deadly as once thought. At one point in the beginning we were going to lose millions of people, then as more testing showed more positives and the deaths didn't elevate with those positives it proves it's not as deadly as first thought.

AND this is with social distancing and closure so imagine if we just stayed status quo.

Well, if you watched the video it talks about that

I fail to believe that an entire world with different governments, beliefs, scientists and professionals all overreacted and this was all a mistake. I don’t need to watch a video of two guys dressed in garb to try and refute a pandemic.

cougnix wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:46 pm I fail to believe that an entire world with different governments, beliefs, scientists and professionals all overreacted and this was all a mistake. I don’t need to watch a video of two guys dressed in garb to try and refute a pandemic.

Don't ya know about the blah blah blah blah blah deep state blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Illuminati blah blah blah blah population control blah...... They're all out to get us!

Here comes Texas!!

#BREAKING: Gov. Abbott says phase #1 of reopening Texas businesses begins this Friday, 5/1.
Includes all:
restaurants
movie theaters
malls
museums

Cnasty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:55 pm Here comes Texas!!

#BREAKING: Gov. Abbott says phase #1 of reopening Texas businesses begins this Friday, 5/1.
Includes all:
restaurants
movie theaters
malls
museums

Let's go!!!!

cougnix wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:46 pm I fail to believe that an entire world with different governments, beliefs, scientists and professionals all overreacted and this was all a mistake. I don’t need to watch a video of two guys dressed in garb to try and refute a pandemic.

All they are saying is that it's not a 3%-4% death rate and more like 0.1% death rate, which they proved with stats. So with that being known, I don't think we need continue this stupidity of closing businesses down.

Omaha is opening back up May 1st or 4th, can't remember which, with some stipulations. Bar's are not allowed to open if they don't serve food. You have to order food to stay there. When you walk in you have to have someone take your temperature. Seating must be 6 feet apart, no more than 6 people per group. Nobody can sit at the bar, which is dumb if you do every 3rd seat. And the workers must wear masks.

Those measures are a little too much in my opinion. People know the risks of going out right now, if they 100% do no want to catch the virus they should stay home. If you go out, you have a 17% (ish) of catching the virus.

Sooooooooo did the trump administration fuck up that PPP loan program or what???? Seems like everyday something else comes out that's shady as hell with the way funds were distributed.

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-donor-hotels-ppp

Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:44 pm Sooooooooo did the trump administration fuck up that PPP loan program or what???? Seems like everyday something else comes out that's shady as hell with the way funds were distributed.

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-donor-hotels-ppp

Is it the administration or the banks that are actually processing the loans? I dont see the government being at fault here as they are not in the loan process.

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:54 pm

Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:44 pm Sooooooooo did the trump administration fuck up that PPP loan program or what???? Seems like everyday something else comes out that's shady as hell with the way funds were distributed.

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-donor-hotels-ppp

Is it the administration or the banks that are actually processing the loans? I dont see the government being at fault here as they are not in the loan process.

Yes they have some blame I wouldn't disagree with that but was it not the treasury departments responsibility to oversee the program? Also i thought I read somewhere shortly after the bill was passed the person Congress put in charge to help oversee the funds distribution was fired by ole Trumper?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politi ... nel-171943

Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:01 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:54 pm

Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:44 pm Sooooooooo did the trump administration fuck up that PPP loan program or what???? Seems like everyday something else comes out that's shady as hell with the way funds were distributed.

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-donor-hotels-ppp

Is it the administration or the banks that are actually processing the loans? I dont see the government being at fault here as they are not in the loan process.

Yes they have some blame I wouldn't disagree with that but was it not the treasury departments responsibility to oversee the program? Also i thought I read somewhere shortly after the bill was passed the person Congress put in charge to help oversee was fired by ole Trumper?

the SBA oversees PPP loans. On April 17th, there were more than 4,000,000 loans applied for. The SBA can't oversea that many. No government agency could

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:52 pm Once again, you are taking 30 seconds from a 50 minute video because you don't want to see the whole picture. Did you see the numbers for New York that they mentioned? Or all of California?

For all of the US, there have been 5.5M tests. Of those tests 17.4% have resulted in a positive. So if you assume 17.4% of the US are/have been positive for COVID-19 then your death rate is now 0.08%

These numbers were taken from the Politico site I posted above.

I'm not going to track through that whole back and forth... but this isn't a realistic representation.

You can't assume that the 17.4% applies to the whole population, because of the 5.5m that were tested, many of them met a high level criteria suggesting that they have it. The national infection certainly isn't 17.4%.

Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:44 pm Sooooooooo did the trump administration fuck up that PPP loan program or what???? Seems like everyday something else comes out that's shady as hell with the way funds were distributed.

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-donor-hotels-ppp

Headline:
"One Trump Donor’s Hotel Companies Got $96.1 Million Meant for Small Businesses"

Suggestion:
A donor paid Trump $50k to get access to the funds

Actual Issue in the Article:
Poorly written bill that allowed hotels and restaurants with less than 500 employees per location to receive funds.


Do you even do ANY critical thinking before taking in this non-sense or do you just see "Orange Man Bad" and you can't contain yourself?

Many large companies that arguably shouldn't have taken the money did take it. Is anyone shocked that businesses found a loophole with a government program and took advantage of it? I'm fairly certain if we grabbed the CEO/Chairman of all of these companies that we'd see that they donated to all kinds of political figures. I mean, it was a Dem introduced act, so shouldn't we have a counter argument that the House colluded to get over for all of their donors that we find? Oh yeah, that doesn't generate clicks... my bad, forgot.

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:34 pm

nick wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:28 pm remember folks.. 40k a yr die from the Flu in the US in the most severe year in a decade..

54 000 died in 1 month due to Covid..

crazy that US put in unreal lockdown measures and still had more people die in 1 month than an entire flu season..

shouldnt of locked down IMO.. you guys overreacted

Here is a callous take on it:

How many of those 54k were going to die anyways from all the other underlying conditions they had?

The underlying conditions that people have are what makes Covid-19 so dangerous.
To you and me George, we would be ok. Our body would most likely fight it off like the flu with no real struggles.

Covid-19, when it hits people that have something else wrong with them, that is when it is very hard to treat and get rid of.

So to take a view and say, oh, well, they would have died anyways. No, that is not necessarily true.
I am sure in some cases, sure, the person would have still died anyways, but someone having an autoimmune disease, say, something like Lupis, they will leave a long lift with Lupis, but if they come in contact with Covid-19, it is a real dangerous struggle for them.

So you have to understand, just because someone has an underlying condition doesn't mean they were already on their death bed.

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:12 am

Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:44 pm Sooooooooo did the trump administration fuck up that PPP loan program or what???? Seems like everyday something else comes out that's shady as hell with the way funds were distributed.

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-donor-hotels-ppp

Headline:
"One Trump Donor’s Hotel Companies Got $96.1 Million Meant for Small Businesses"

Suggestion:
A donor paid Trump $50k to get access to the funds

Actual Issue in the Article:
Poorly written bill that allowed hotels and restaurants with less than 500 employees per location to receive funds.


Do you even do ANY critical thinking before taking in this non-sense or do you just see "Orange Man Bad" and you can't contain yourself?

Many large companies that arguably shouldn't have taken the money did take it. Is anyone shocked that businesses found a loophole with a government program and took advantage of it? I'm fairly certain if we grabbed the CEO/Chairman of all of these companies that we'd see that they donated to all kinds of political figures. I mean, it was a Dem introduced act, so shouldn't we have a counter argument that the House colluded to get over for all of their donors that we find? Oh yeah, that doesn't generate clicks... my bad, forgot.

You don't read to well do ya?