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They're easily good enough to win a title now...if the Warriors didn't exist.
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I feel like the Warriors are treated like the Minutemen!

Poor guys.
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The Warriors are only like the Minutemen if all players from Kentucky, Duke, UNC, and Kansas are all property of the Warriors as well.
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Thunder aren't winning a title as long as Anthony is on that roster.
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ReignOnU wrote:Thunder aren't winning a title as long as Anthony is on that roster.
why?

I think Carmelo is going to be incredible in that role in OKC. he might not score as much and people might think because he only scores 16 or 17 a night that means he's playing bad (Sorta like how people thought Bosh was bad in Miami when he was anything but). with a lower usage, Melo is going to be far more efficient and far better. this is the exact type of role he needs to shine, assuming he doesn't get completely neglected to a 3 pt guy space guy who never sees the ball.
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DRiccio21 wrote:
ReignOnU wrote:Thunder aren't winning a title as long as Anthony is on that roster.
why?

I think Carmelo is going to be incredible in that role in OKC.
I agree. He has never had teammates like this and he already said he'd play the 4 which he is ideal for.
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Just going to bulletpoint some things...
- He's 33
- In his prime, he was an average defender. Now, he's one of the 5 worst SFs in the league. (I see he's moving to PF, won't matter)
- He's just an Ok 3pt shooter
- He lives on his mid-range game which is why he's so inefficient. He shoots the most inefficient shot in the game. Just because he's playing the 4 doesn't mean that he's all of the sudden going to get some hops or have a legit post game.
- OKC doesn't have a lot of shooters around him to help. In fact, he's likely going to be their #2 3pt threat behind P. George. Russell and Roberson aren't great threats behind the arc.

The 1 thing that he does pretty well is not turn the ball over. Of course, if you're not passing, it's a lot easier. :-)

To that point... Russell isn't giving him the ball. He's going to go sit about 12' out on the baseline and and wait. If he wants buckets, he better rebound. That's assuming he doesn't buy-in to the stat-padding.
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he's been a ball dominant #1 usage player on bad/average teams almost his entire career. trying to cut and paste that exact person into a totally different system/team/role seems like pretty surface level analysis to me. he's going to be playing off the ball and taking open jumpers and being played by 2nd and 3rd defenders in 1-1 defense. he's never had that in his entire career. instead of taking 20+ shots he's probably going to take 13-16 shots.

I've said for a long time there aren't many guys i'd want less than Melo as a #1 usage guy and not many i'd want more than him as a #2 or 3 usage guy. as long as he accepts that as his role, of course. they aren't beating GS, so that part is irrelevant.
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For OKC to have great success they are going to have to let RW do what he does well...... which is run the court and attack attack attack. Melo is going to be that guy who will run to about midcourt and have to turn around as RW has taken yet another shot. People think RW is going to change his ways but I don't really see that happening and if he does I don't think it benefits OKC. By the all star break Melo is going to grow tired of the situation in OKC and will be asking for another trade.

Hope I am wrong because I do want OKC to do well. But Melo at this age and stage of his career doesn't fit the scheme that will take advantage of the pieces that can make OKC successful.
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I envision something like Olympics Melo, albeit an oder version.

When he can stand around the 3pt line and be a catch and shoot player, Melo is pretty lethal. And now with PG/Russ he can do a lot of that, where he never had the players on NYK to be able to fit that role.
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the most misunderstood thing about basketball, imo, is roles and usage. I think that eventually players should stop being classified as PG/SG/SF/PF/C and instead be classified as Usage 1, Usage 2, Usage 3, 3 pt specialist, rebounding specialist, etc.

its what makes good coaches. coaches use players in proper roles and know how to layer the hybrid type guys so when the usage 1 is on the bench the specialist can fit into a higher usage role. fans wonder why they aren't being the dominant player they used to be when they change teams, but most of the time they are being asked to do completely different things (guys like Bosh, Love are easy examples).

Some players will never succeed in different roles. Kyle Korver isn't going to be a very good Usage 1 or 2 player. But he is an excellent 3 pt specialist in a team with a good 1 and 2 option. where as Dion Waiters clearly isn't a good #2 or #3 usage player, but as a low level #1 usage guy he's actually been really solid for Miami (not a superstar, not a championship caliber usage 1, but decent). Thats HIS role. Players come into the NBA having been usage 1 guys almost their entire careers, they never play off ball, they don't know what to do with the ball out of their hands. Then they get thrown into usage 3 or specialist roles and look lost.

one reason GSW is so incredible is that Klay Thompson is probably a usage 1 or 2 player and hes being used as a specialist with a sprinkle of usage 3 from game to game based on game flow. He is also a great defender. same with Draymond. if Melo falls into that type of a role, his numbers are going to look way worse, but chances are he'll be really helpful to them winning games.
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Dave- All good points and I hope you are right. I do want OKC to do well. Just hard for me to see right now.
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texasfan4444 wrote:Dave- All good points and I hope you are right. I do want OKC to do well. Just hard for me to see right now.
i wasn't really trying to 'be right' as much as just explain maybe a side of it that others are overlooking based on 10-15 years of seeing 'that melo' and having that etched in their opinions.

your guess is as good as mine as to how it ultimately ends up working out. i just think given his age and his career goals that he'll find a way to fit in and be productive unless he doesn't get along with PG and RW. and like any team with new high usage players, its going to take time to figure out how to make it all work.
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I was legit thinking that as I read through it, that's fantastic!
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shel311 wrote:I was legit thinking that as I read through it, that's fantastic!
That was real good
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DRiccio21 wrote:the most misunderstood thing about basketball, imo, is roles and usage. I think that eventually players should stop being classified as PG/SG/SF/PF/C and instead be classified as Usage 1, Usage 2, Usage 3, 3 pt specialist, rebounding specialist, etc.

its what makes good coaches. coaches use players in proper roles and know how to layer the hybrid type guys so when the usage 1 is on the bench the specialist can fit into a higher usage role. fans wonder why they aren't being the dominant player they used to be when they change teams, but most of the time they are being asked to do completely different things (guys like Bosh, Love are easy examples).

Some players will never succeed in different roles. Kyle Korver isn't going to be a very good Usage 1 or 2 player. But he is an excellent 3 pt specialist in a team with a good 1 and 2 option. where as Dion Waiters clearly isn't a good #2 or #3 usage player, but as a low level #1 usage guy he's actually been really solid for Miami (not a superstar, not a championship caliber usage 1, but decent). Thats HIS role. Players come into the NBA having been usage 1 guys almost their entire careers, they never play off ball, they don't know what to do with the ball out of their hands. Then they get thrown into usage 3 or specialist roles and look lost.

one reason GSW is so incredible is that Klay Thompson is probably a usage 1 or 2 player and hes being used as a specialist with a sprinkle of usage 3 from game to game based on game flow. He is also a great defender. same with Draymond. if Melo falls into that type of a role, his numbers are going to look way worse, but chances are he'll be really helpful to them winning games.
Drop the suit and tie and get into coaching man, I've read your thoughts on hoops over the years, you'd be good at it. Oh, and it totally pays the bills. :lol:
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The debate is officially over and Dave Riccio has been awarded the W in the "Millionaire athletes are no different than you and I" category.

Take a victory lap, Riccio. You deserve it!!



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