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Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:41 am
by nick
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called for Sen. Richard Burr's resignation after he reportedly sold off $1.7 million in stocks after reassuring the public of US preparedness during the coronavirus outbreak

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... n_richard/

@AOC:

As Intel chairman, @SenatorBurr got private briefings about Coronavirus weeks ago.

Burr knew how bad it would be. He told the truth to his wealthy donors, while assuring the public that we were fine.

THEN he sold off $1.6 million in stock before the fall.

He needs to resign.



look iunno shit on the topic but this sounds like insider trading?

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:43 am
by shel311
I'm here for Nick challenging Riccio on stock talk :)

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:43 am
by nick
im just posting what everyone minus Dave is saying. Dave knows infinitely more than me on the topic but doesnt mean im not gonna ask

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:50 am
by nick
https://www.propublica.org/article/sena ... eparedness

Soon after he offered public assurances that the government was ready to battle the coronavirus, the powerful chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, sold off a significant percentage of his stocks, unloading between $628,000 and $1.72 million of his holdings on Feb. 13 in 33 separate transactions.

As the head of the intelligence committee, Burr, a North Carolina Republican, has access to the government’s most highly classified information about threats to America’s security. His committee was receiving daily coronavirus briefings around this time, according to a Reuters story.

A week after Burr’s sales, the stock market began a sharp decline and has lost about 30% since.

On Thursday, Burr came under fire after NPR obtained a secret recording from Feb. 27, in which the lawmaker gave a VIP group at an exclusive social club a much more dire preview of the economic impact of the coronavirus than what he had told the public.

“Senator Burr filed a financial disclosure form for personal transactions made several weeks before the U.S. and financial markets showed signs of volatility due to the growing coronavirus outbreak,” his spokesperson said. “As the situation continues to evolve daily, he has been deeply concerned by the steep and sudden toll this pandemic is taking on our economy.”

Burr is not a particularly wealthy member of the Senate: Roll Call estimated his net worth at $1.7 million in 2018, indicating that the February sales significantly shaped his financial fortunes and spared him from some of the pain that many Americans are now facing.

He was one of the authors of the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act, which shapes the nation’s response to public health threats like the coronavirus. Burr’s office did not respond to requests for comment about what sort of briefing materials, if any, on the coronavirus threat Burr may have seen as chair of the intelligence committee before his selling spree.

According to the NPR report, Burr told attendees of the luncheon held at the Capitol Hill Club: “There’s one thing that I can tell you about this: It is much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history ... It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic.”

He warned that companies might have to curtail their employees’ travel, that schools could close and that the military might be mobilized to compensate for overwhelmed hospitals.

The luncheon was organized by the Tar Heel Circle, a club for businesses and organizations in North Carolina that are charged up to $10,000 for membership and are promised “interaction with top leaders and staff from Congress, the administration, and the private sector.”

Burr’s public comments had been considerably less dire. In a Feb. 7 op-ed that he co-authored with another senator, he assured the public that “the United States today is better prepared than ever before to face emerging public health threats, like the coronavirus.” He wrote, “No matter the outbreak or threat, Congress and the federal government have been vigilant in identifying gaps in its readiness efforts and improving its response capabilities.”

Members of Congress are required by law to disclose their securities transactions.

Burr was one of just three senators who in 2012 opposed the bill that explicitly barred lawmakers and their staff from using nonpublic information for trades and required regular disclosure of those trades. In opposing the bill, Burr argued at the time that insider trading laws already applied to members of Congress. President Barack Obama signed the bill, known as the STOCK Act, that year.

Stock transactions of lawmakers are reported in ranges. Burr’s Feb. 13 selling spree was his largest stock selling day of at least the past 14 months, according to a ProPublica review of Senate records. Unlike his typical disclosure reports, which are a mix of sales and purchases, all of the transactions were sales.

His biggest sales included companies that are among the most vulnerable to an economic slowdown. He dumped up to $150,000 worth of shares of Wyndham Hotels and Resorts, a chain based in the United States that has lost two-thirds of its value. And he sold up to $100,000 of shares of Extended Stay America, an economy hospitality chain. Shares of that company are now worth less than half of what they did at the time Burr sold.

The assets come from accounts that are held by Burr, belong to his spouse or are jointly held.

Correction, March 19, 2020: This story about Sen. Richard Burr’s stock sales originally misstated the amount and the number of transactions. Burr sold between $628,000 and $1.72 million in 33 separate transactions, not between $582,029 and $1.56 million of his holdings in 29 separate transactions.

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:55 am
by nick
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:57 am
by shel311
DRiccio21 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:28 am they very well could have been using that information to sell stock and been bordering on corrupt (although i'm almost positive they can use that information, not 100% but i know they get some weird liberties on information they get access to)
I think the issue is, even if this was legally on the up and up, is the senators who were out there telling us everything is 100% fine but possibly knew behind closed doors shit was hitting the fan.

If that's the case, that's a really bad look even if the trades are deemed legal.

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:01 am
by nick
Insider trading is the trading of a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options) based on material, nonpublic information about the company.

...is this not insider trading? the very definition?

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:29 am
by Cnasty
dakshdar wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:15 pm And California just got locked down.

40 million people.
New York's turn.

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:49 am
by shel311
1918 - Toronto wins its 1st Stanley Cup. 1919, Stanley Cup canceled

1992/1993 - Toronto wins its 1st World Series. 1994, World Series canceled

2019 - Toronto wins its 1st NBA Championship. 2020, NBA...




Thanks a lot, Toronto

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:54 am
by Cnasty
Student loan payments suspended for 60 days and interest waived at this time.

Every little bit helps!

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:59 am
by nick
shel311 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:49 am 1918 - Toronto wins its 1st Stanley Cup. 1919, Stanley Cup canceled

1992/1993 - Toronto wins its 1st World Series. 1994, World Series canceled

2019 - Toronto wins its 1st NBA Championship. 2020, NBA...




Thanks a lot, Toronto
back 2 back champs

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:33 pm
by shel311
ABC poll shows 55% of Americans approve of Trumps handling of the coronavirus response.

Yep, we're doomed.

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:35 pm
by Cnasty
True just ate someones lunch during this press conference and hot damn it was entertaining :lol:

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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:55 pm
by cougnix
Peter Alexander - "What can you tell to the people that are fearful or afraid of this pandemic?"

Trump - "I can tell them that you are a terrible journalist."

What the fuck? He is a true idiot and terrible leader

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:56 pm
by shel311
That would be funny...if it wasn't going to be stuck in my house for the next who knows how many months

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:58 pm
by Cnasty
cougnix wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:55 pm Peter Alexander - "What can you tell to the people that are fearful or afraid of this pandemic?"

Trump - "I can tell them that you are a terrible journalist."

What the fuck? He is a true idiot and terrible leader
That whole interaction was like daaaaaaaaaaaaamn

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:04 pm
by shel311
My father in law just sent me a FB message with a pic that says if you gargle water with salt or vinegar, it eliminates Coronavirus.



Yea, he's definitely part of that 55% approval rating for Trump :lol:

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:09 pm
by Cnasty
He also was at the local Golden Corral 4 of the 5 days this week I assume :lol:

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:09 pm
by GeorgesGoons
shel311 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:04 pm My father in law just sent me a FB message with a pic that says if you gargle water with salt or vinegar, it eliminates Coronavirus.
I don't believe that (gargle part), but since last week the administration has done infinitely better (wasn't hard to get better from where they started) so that would put me in the 55%. I think the daily press conferences and informing the public has been a big help as well.

Re: Random Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:12 pm
by DRiccio21
nick wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:01 am Insider trading is the trading of a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options) based on material, nonpublic information about the company.

...is this not insider trading? the very definition?

One would think but this has happened before and public officials have got away with it under certain loopholes.

I’m not a securities lawyer but this stuff happens all the time when politicians learn of market moving events (drug approvals, infrastructure bills, etc)

To say “everyone minus Dave” is saying this is absurd. I just said in it that it very well could be as shady as it looks. I tend to think most politicians are shady fucks so I certainly wouldn’t be defending them blindly

By reading that it doesn’t appear to have been planned stock selling. Whether it’s technically illegal isn’t as simple as “it’s not public info” But either way it’s a bad look