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[shel311]

1. Trump's response has been infinitely better this week

True, but that's just compared to normal Trump.

If we're comparing it to normal President press conferences, it would still be about the worst we've ever seen.

[shel311]

Bloomberg reports that over 99% of those who died from COVID in Italy were already suffering from other major illnesses.

48.5% had 3 other illnesses at the time of death
25.6% had 2 other illnesses
25.1% had 1 other illness

[Cnasty]

Bloomberg reports that over 99% of those who died from COVID in Italy were already suffering from other major illnesses.

48.5% had 3 other illnesses at the time of death
25.6% had 2 other illnesses
25.1% had 1 other illness

Which is about doubled in the US with our obesity and other comorbidities being one of the unhealthiest nations in the world.

[dakshdar]

1. Trump's response has been infinitely better this week

True, but that's just compared to normal Trump.

If we're comparing it to normal President press conferences, it would still be about the worst we've ever seen.

Without a doubt.

I enjoyed the Trump-Fauci back and forth where Trump just goes "I think it will work? Why won't it work? We know all about it and why not give a shot? What have we got to lose?" Followed by Fauci saying "We have to understand how this will interact with this disease. We need to collect data. Could it work? Sure. But we need to learn from the application."

All paraphrasing.

Well, except for Trump's "What have we got to lose?" If that's not comforting coming from the leader of the free world I don't know what is...

[GeorgesGoons]

1. Trump's response has been infinitely better this week

True, but that's just compared to normal Trump.

If we're comparing it to normal President press conferences, it would still be about the worst we've ever seen.

I think Biden would be worse. Dude can't even keep a complete thought together on any answers anymore. I hope he chooses Tulsi as his running mate (won't happen though) for the off chance he wins the election. I'd like to see her get more recognition across the country and would vote for her if she ran.

[Cnasty]

That exchange was fantastic.

I love how when Trump said it, Pence immediately looked at Fauci in the background and you can see the cringe occurring in real time

[Cnasty]

I think Biden would be worse. Dude can't even keep a complete thought together on any answers anymore.

Blind right here.

ANYONE would be better then Trump at this point to conduct these daily news conferences over his "I am not a doctor but I am a know it all president" schpiel he runs out there.

[dakshdar]

1. Trump's response has been infinitely better this week

True, but that's just compared to normal Trump.

If we're comparing it to normal President press conferences, it would still be about the worst we've ever seen.

I think Biden would be worse. Dude can't even keep a complete thought together on any answers anymore. I hope he chooses Tulsi as his running mate (won't happen though) for the off chance he wins the election. I'd like to see her get more recognition across the country and would vote for her if she ran.

I'd prefer any President to say just a few things that are broad and meant to reassure and calm the country and then step away and let the people that know best speak.

[GeorgesGoons]

1. Trump's response has been infinitely better this week

True, but that's just compared to normal Trump.

If we're comparing it to normal President press conferences, it would still be about the worst we've ever seen.

I think Biden would be worse. Dude can't even keep a complete thought together on any answers anymore. I hope he chooses Tulsi as his running mate (won't happen though) for the off chance he wins the election. I'd like to see her get more recognition across the country and would vote for her if she ran.

I'd prefer any President to say just a few things that are broad and meant to reassure and calm the country and then step away and let the people that know best speak.

I agree. But we all know Trump needs to be out front of everything. We've seen it for 3 years and it's not gonna change at all.

[GeorgesGoons]

I think Biden would be worse. Dude can't even keep a complete thought together on any answers anymore.

Blind right here.

ANYONE would be better then Trump at this point to conduct these daily news conferences over his "I am not a doctor but I am a know it all president" schpiel he runs out there.

Have you seen Biden talk lately? Well, before this whole crisis as we haven't seen anything from him since. But the dude couldn't get what state he was in correct. He would talk about one thing and then all of a sudden finish on a completely different point and made zero sense. He's either losing it or he has so much going thru his nugget that he can't get it out all at once like he wants.

[shel311]

Bloomberg reports that over 99% of those who died from COVID in Italy were already suffering from other major illnesses.

48.5% had 3 other illnesses at the time of death
25.6% had 2 other illnesses
25.1% had 1 other illness

Which is about doubled in the US with our obesity and other comorbidities being one of the unhealthiest nations in the world.

Not compared to Italy, they're probably as bad or worse than us.

[GeorgesGoons]

You guys knock Trump for lashing out at reporters. But never knock Biden for lashing out at every day Americans asking questions.

[shel311]

I agree. But we all know Trump needs to be out front of everything. We've seen it for 3 years and it's not gonna change at all.

Which is why Biden likely wouldn't be worse.

He'd be a figure head, but much more likely to let the important people make the decisions and do the talking compared to Trump.

[GeorgesGoons]

Bloomberg reports that over 99% of those who died from COVID in Italy were already suffering from other major illnesses.

48.5% had 3 other illnesses at the time of death
25.6% had 2 other illnesses
25.1% had 1 other illness

Which is about doubled in the US with our obesity and other comorbidities being one of the unhealthiest nations in the world.

Not compared to Italy, they're probably as bad or worse than us.

And you guys are in one of the unhealthiest states in America. Houston and San Antonio were in the top 10 unhealthiest cities when I lived there in 2005-6

[Cnasty]

Texas is the THICCCC of America for sure.

[ReignOnU]

Interesting takes. Is there someone here that knows what he was doing within the last 2 months? Are we just assuming it's nothing? We know what we've been told, but it's pretty naive to think that the only action taken was the closing of travel w/China. You can infer that something obviously happened when they turned down the German tests (after testing, which also takes time) and tried to develop our own (which also takes time), that unfortunately failed. At some point prior to 3/13, there was clearly R&D with Labcorp, Quest and others regarding high throughput sample retrieval (that certainly had to take time to develop). As for the testing approval, we've been told it bounced between CDC and FDA at least 3x, so how long was that? 3 days? A week?

The point is, it's easy to say stuff like "he should have done more" in hindsight. Had he come out during this time period and talked more about things that were being done, it's probably a different take now. But the end result is, there are many people that just hate him to hate him... just as many as he has his blind followers.

I don't put the testing issues on him. If we developed and nailed a test with 99% accuracy, I highly doubt that most here and in the media would be signing his praise. But I get the idea behind giving it a shot, because a low accuracy rating isn't helpful and our nation has a track record of coming through.

I don't put him at fault for issues between the FDA and CDC. The fact is, we have a massive, multi-layered government and when it comes to pushing stuff through, it's a mess. While I absolutely hate all of the non-sense and red tape that's involved in our government, I also think that in the only in the rarest of circumstances should a president be able to wave a magic wand and do whatever he wants. We're multiple months into this and I'm still not sure that this is one of those situations.

We still don't have great data on it. We're still very early on in understanding it. But we need to be very careful about the precedent that we're setting here. This is new territory for everyone, but if we're not careful, these are the kinds of measures that will become commonplace and expected.

While I can't stand the bickering back and forth with reporters or jabs at Dems on social media (this isn't the time/place), I also give him a lot of credit for rapidly (or maybe not so rapidly depending on how long they worked together) assembling leaders from the private sector to ramp up efforts. The fact is, we're going to benefit greatly from what they are doing, as well as companies like 3M, Bayer, and potentially others willing to convert production lines. Some of these things could have happened under another leader, but I'm not so sure that they would have happened as fast.

With many of you working for large organizations, it surprises me that you overlook stuff like this. You know the obligations that your company has to regarding various federal branches/laws. Whether is SOX, HIPAA, SEC, FDA, etc. there's usually a check. You also are old enough to understand the timeline for generative massive change (production level is X, we need 3x X). Then beyond all that, I think most can grasp the level of detailed involvement that your CEO has. While this is a simplistic comparison and it's a massive pandemic, a lot of these concepts still applies. It's not the flip of a switch and everything happens. Also, like any business, you don't enact dramatic change without strong data.

As for the reporters, yes, they are intentionally doing what they have to do to drive clicks. No, they aren't really helping the situation. This is prime time for them, with more and more people at home, on TV, on the internet. What the 55% in an ABC poll should tell you is that a lot of people aren't really upset with what has happened and they see through a lot of the non-sense. Has it been the best/optimal, no. But it's hasn't been a 'disaster' either. The next week or so will be able to shed light on strategy comes about.

[ReignOnU]

1. Trump's response has been infinitely better this week

True, but that's just compared to normal Trump.

If we're comparing it to normal President press conferences, it would still be about the worst we've ever seen.

I think Biden would be worse. Dude can't even keep a complete thought together on any answers anymore. I hope he chooses Tulsi as his running mate (won't happen though) for the off chance he wins the election. I'd like to see her get more recognition across the country and would vote for her if she ran.

I'd prefer any President to say just a few things that are broad and meant to reassure and calm the country and then step away and let the people that know best speak.

Certainly best case scenario, but there's zero chance of him not being a pompous jerk and equal chance of the reporters not poking bear.

[ReignOnU]

I agree. But we all know Trump needs to be out front of everything. We've seen it for 3 years and it's not gonna change at all.

Which is why Biden likely wouldn't be worse.

He'd be a figure head, but much more likely to let the important people make the decisions and do the talking compared to Trump.

Is there some indication that Trump is/isn't making all of the decisions?

[ReignOnU]

Bloomberg reports that over 99% of those who died from COVID in Italy were already suffering from other major illnesses.

48.5% had 3 other illnesses at the time of death
25.6% had 2 other illnesses
25.1% had 1 other illness

Which is about doubled in the US with our obesity and other comorbidities being one of the unhealthiest nations in the world.

Not compared to Italy, they're probably as bad or worse than us.

Italy has been on the brink for awhile. Failing economy, highly corrupt government and inadequate healthcare. Only the smallest and worst pockets of the US are close to comparable.

[shel311]

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