Any New Rules being added for NCAA 10?

[VeniVediV1ci]

exactly.

i found someone i never want to play

[6ftdeep]

Ok said read my post carefully vvv before commenting on it, not cause it is god like. but before making a remark towards it.. I want to make sure you didnt just scheme over it and then post remark.

And maybe I have to slightly tweak they way wrote so it is understandable..
But I mean if you guess left, and shift your line along with guessing.. then your user controlled guy comes through I will give you instant 1s .. If you are shifting your line with guessing the run .. not the offense shifting but the defense shifting then you are indeed trying to take advantage of ai flaw

[ReignOnU]

Ok said read my post carefully vvv before commenting on it, not cause it is god like. but before making a remark towards it.. I want to make sure you didnt just scheme over it and then post remark.

And maybe I have to slightly tweak they way wrote so it is understandable..
But I mean if you guess left, and shift your line along with guessing.. then your user controlled guy comes through I will give you instant 1s .. If you are shifting your line with guessing the run .. not the offense shifting but the defense shifting then you are indeed trying to take advantage of ai flaw

If you know of an AI flaw that is caused by this, then you should explain it, because I had no idea that this was the case and could have easily done this in a game and then been docked points by you for doing something I had no idea was a problem.

My point is simple in all of this, if you want to be this quick to dock someone points for doing something, I think the responsibility lies on you to be completely clear with your opponent prior to the game. And yes, I'm thinking to the point that in the scheduling threads you are making it clear.

To me, you're going overboard with that scenario.

[mcx79]

for crying out loud guys, its a game. If you are going to create a clear advantage for your team while playing some one in a league game I would fully expect your opponent to use that in his evaluation of your play.

The occasional run guess is no big deal, but doing it every short yardage play would be excessive. If you want rules find another league and at the same time if you want to use "potential" AI gimmicks to win you can do the same.

[bigred]

If you cant stop or contain the run w/o using guess run then i guess its ok that you use this feature...

I will never use it...not even during a goaline situation...its line crashing on crack...

[6ftdeep]

Ok said read my post carefully vvv before commenting on it, not cause it is god like. but before making a remark towards it.. I want to make sure you didnt just scheme over it and then post remark.

And maybe I have to slightly tweak they way wrote so it is understandable..
But I mean if you guess left, and shift your line along with guessing.. then your user controlled guy comes through I will give you instant 1s .. If you are shifting your line with guessing the run .. not the offense shifting but the defense shifting then you are indeed trying to take advantage of ai flaw

If you know of an AI flaw that is caused by this, then you should explain it, because I had no idea that this was the case and could have easily done this in a game and then been docked points by you for doing something I had no idea was a problem.

My point is simple in all of this, if you want to be this quick to dock someone points for doing something, I think the responsibility lies on you to be completely clear with your opponent prior to the game. And yes, I'm thinking to the point that in the scheduling threads you are making it clear.

To me, you're going overboard with that scenario.

That is what I was trying to do, in my post.. was explain where it takes advantage of ai flaws. I was saying that based on what I have seen from the feature it is very boarder line, and was trying to make clear how I feel about it, and where I have seen the future straight abused.
I been trying to explain all 10 pages how this future can be slightly altered with out most even noticing to abuse AI.
But no one has really noticed that..

So i made my post explained what I see and how I see the feature, and that was end of it. I never said I would dock someone immeadiately for using it. I only said I would dock 1 point, if used excessively so instead of getting 5's on defense as long as everything else was fine, you would get a 4.
And would only get all 1's is if I felt or saw instances where you used the guess run with the shifting of the defensive line to take advantage of the AI Flaws... anotherwards using the feature as a super line crash , and nano blitzes

Also I dont feel I am going overboard, cause I have played people in league that has used the feature excessively both guess runs and jump snap. And have either knowingly or unknowingly shifting there lines and caused huge errors in the AI.
I have given the benefit of the doubt when into practice modes and messed around with the feature and used it in different ways and choose different plays.
And saw the problems it causes to the AI, try to make it known, and voiced my opinion and alert others to its boarderline use.

[ReignOnU]

Maybe the thread got a bit sidetracked then, because that makes a lot more sense to me. Obviously we don't want people to abuse it, if it's flawed. Clearly this is something that a bunch of people need to get together and test to find out, before it gets out of hand.

[cougnix]

After some review and tinkering, I am half way between both sides of this argument. I don't think defensive keys should be outlawed, never it is a good thing to be able to tell your team what you think is coming. But every play is wrong, even the pass. Anyway, I don't think it is going to be as big a problem once the season starts, but I also don't think that 1 play where you get sacked because of shifting deserves a 1 across the board on coaches reports...Let's say you win 35-3 and the other player did that once, are you going to give them a 1 because of it? Be realistic...

[pounddarock]

Maybe the thread got a bit sidetracked

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[huskerskev84]

I have no problem with the feature in moderation, but at the same time I don't think it's fair when someone is down in the 2nd half and start resorting to things they otherwise wouldn't just because of how the game is going.

What really makes a straight gamer in my opinion is....if they can play the same when trailing by 14 in the 4th as they would if they lead by 14, that is saying something. I see so many guys that once they get behind a couple of scores that they start doing roll out crap, excessive gadgety stuff, etc. That to me is more frustrating then anything. Rolling out to the sideline, without any kind of rush whatsoever, isn't okay just because someone needs a score late....that's about the only thing that bothers me.

[packsyD22]

You can tell when someone is running with their QB to be malicious with it...if that makes sense. You better believe im scrambling if no one is open. If you constantly drop 8 into coverage on every 3rd down and no one is open I am going to continue to run. Dropping 8 into coverage every 3rd and long is just as "cheesie" as scrambling with your QB.

For you guys to just throw the ball away instead of scrambling how is that realism?

[VeniVediV1ci]

lobby play is strictly scrambling with your QB. I will say running a qb spy along with both DE's containing is about as fun as putting your nuts through a coffee grinder (i would imagine)

...but honestly who doesn't give all 5's when you win 35-3? If i won 35-3 I'm pretty sure my opponent could shoot and kill my QB and i'd still give him 5s

[ReignOnU]

You can tell when someone is running with their QB to be malicious with it...if that makes sense. You better believe im scrambling if no one is open. If you constantly drop 8 into coverage on every 3rd down and no one is open I am going to continue to run. Dropping 8 into coverage every 3rd and long is just as "cheesie" as scrambling with your QB.

For you guys to just throw the ball away instead of scrambling how is that realism?

I don't know if the 8 man coverage is all that cheesey. I have definitely seen programs that play a lot of coverage in that situation, consistently. But you're definitely right that you better be ready for that QB to take off and not complain about it. Because that's definitely realistic.

[packsyD22]

Dropping 8 in every 3rd down situation in real life is silly. There are far too many spread plays that beat this coverage esp if you only bring 3 guys.

[ReignOnU]

Dropping 8 in real life is silly. There are far too many spread plays that beat this coverage esp if you only bring 3 guys.

Hehe, I didn't say it was effective against all of the new spread offenses.

[ReignOnU]

Shel and I just dropped 89pts on Heisman, I don't think scoring will be an issue.

6 fumbles, 1 facemask penalty?

I think 4 TDs over 60yds in the air.

Yeah, Heisman. Wow.

[nick]

i dont do that stupid guess run shit since i control the DE and i can fight the tackle easily.

Let me reinterate. I FIGHT the tackle then go in for the kill, I DONT speedrush like some think.

one thing im gonna say and i dont care if my CR is affected. IF you control a player and the moment it looks like a run u come bolting to the line or shooting thru a gap, if you do it constantly, i am going to run nothing but PA when i pass.

I think thats the most bitch thing there is. You know people are not going to run PA all day so when u see the QB running back to hand off, ure thru the hole waiting.

So be warned, u do that, PA all day.

[shel311]

so you are going to have a problem with the ones that try and strip the ball every freakin play also?

No, because the amount of facemasks calls you get when you set that to agressive offsets that.

There isn't a whole lot you can do to offset the guess run middle feature when 2 Dlinemen come in untouched whether you pass, run mid, or run left/right, you're stuffed most of the time.

[shel311]

I don't understand why people are acting like this feature is unstoppable? I've played several people who have used this constantly and it is not hard to beat. Do pre-snap adjustments with your offensive line, and if he guesses wrong - he's screwed 90% of the time. I called a PA-pass when he committed to the run = deep touchdown pass. I did a counter right against a run commit left = 40 yard run. I don't understand all the talk about this, but I guess it doesn't matter anyway because I wouldn't wanna get burnt on guessing what my opponent will do anyway.

I REALLY haven't seen that at all.

The guess run mid is the absolute worst. Even when I pass, I still have 1 or 2 defenders coming straight in untouched, so I have to throw the ball literally within 1 second of snapping or I'm f'ed.

[shel311]

If you cant stop or contain the run w/o using guess run then i guess its ok that you use this feature...

I will never use it...not even during a goaline situation...its line crashing on crack...

What he said.