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Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:11 am
by DRiccio21
imo, most football players are products of their systems... moreso than any other sport. due to the reliance on other people for your own success.
in most other sports you can be shine individually even around bad talent... not as true in the NFL
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:19 am
by texasfan4444
DRiccio21 wrote:imo, most football players are products of their systems... moreso than any other sport. due to the reliance on other people for your own success.
in most other sports you can be shine individually even around bad talent... not as true in the NFL
Unless you are Barry Sanders could of been a proper way to end that statement.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:37 am
by ReignOnU
shel311 wrote:ReignOnU wrote:Marvin Harrison thinks Jerry Rice was a product of the system.
Joe Montana thinks
Jerry Rice Bill Walsh made the system.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:41 am
by ReignOnU
texasfan4444 wrote:DRiccio21 wrote:imo, most football players are products of their systems... moreso than any other sport. due to the reliance on other people for your own success.
in most other sports you can be shine individually even around bad talent... not as true in the NFL
Unless you are Barry Sanders could of been a proper way to end that statement.
Or Calvin Johnson...
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:43 am
by shel311
CJ benefits from the 700 passes/200 targets a year system.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:08 am
by texasfan4444
shel311 wrote:CJ benefits from the 700 passes/200 targets a year system.
And weve come full circle.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:11 am
by shel311
texasfan4444 wrote:shel311 wrote:CJ benefits from the 700 passes/200 targets a year system.
And weve come full circle.
Circle of life, man!!!
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:33 am
by nick
Jerry Rice ran a 4.71
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:35 am
by shel311
nick wrote:Jerry Rice ran a 4.71
Not a workout warrior!!!
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:44 am
by ajalves
Jerry Rice is currently the "best ever"
but i'd say he benefitted from an offense that was far ahead of its time going against old fashioned defenses just as much as Johnson benefits from his 175 targets a year
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:15 pm
by ReignOnU
shel311 wrote:CJ benefits from the 700 passes/200 targets a year system.
Can we really call 200 targets from Matt Stafford targets? Really?
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:09 pm
by xLiQx
ReignOnU wrote:shel311 wrote:CJ benefits from the 700 passes/200 targets a year system.
Can we really call 200 targets from Matt Stafford targets? Really?
yes....yes you can, cause there are 200 other guys over the last 3 years worse than him at the QB position.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:49 pm
by ReignOnU
xLiQx wrote:ReignOnU wrote:shel311 wrote:CJ benefits from the 700 passes/200 targets a year system.
Can we really call 200 targets from Matt Stafford targets? Really?
yes....yes you can, cause there are 200 other guys over the last 3 years worse than him at the QB position.
What does that even prove? It doesn't speak to the accuracy of his passing. It doesn't speak to his ability to perform w/o Johnson. It doesn't even tell you how he is relative to the league without knowing where he ranks overall, with everyone.
Here's an idea... using 2 different metrics...
2009 - 28/29
2010 - NR/NR
2011 - 7/5
2012 - 13/22
2013 - 11/10
So what is he really? Maybe the 10th to 14th best over that time frame, at most? That's with Calvin making ridiculous catch after ridiculous catch.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:12 pm
by xLiQx
Or...maybe he spreads the ball out more instead of forcing it? You never know really, if Rodgers didn't spread the ball out and just forced it 250 times to a WR on his team, maybe he wouldn't be as "accurate"...you are merely talking what ifs. I think CJ is a stud, but to say Stafford is horrible...or just an average QB doesn't really make sense. This whole arguement is really stupid, you can't in any way compare RICE and CJ...they played in different era's, different rules, different game.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:28 am
by swellvermin
xLiQx wrote:Or...maybe he spreads the ball out more instead of forcing it? You never know really, if Rodgers didn't spread the ball out and just forced it 250 times to a WR on his team, maybe he wouldn't be as "accurate"...you are merely talking what ifs. I think CJ is a stud, but to say Stafford is horrible...or just an average QB doesn't really make sense. This whole arguement is really stupid, you can't in any way compare RICE and CJ...they played in different era's, different rules, different game.
But they play(ed) the same game of football.....
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:50 am
by trendon
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degrees of separation between Jerry Rice and Calvin Johnson
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JERRY RICE played on the 2001 Oakland Raiders with ...
Grady Jackson, who played on the 2009 Detroit Lions with ...
CALVIN JOHNSON
CONCLUSION: Grady Jackson is the second-best receiver of all-time.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:03 am
by ChampDizzle
What a wild way to end a game.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:40 pm
by LetsGoPeay
What a freaking run by Adrian Peterson. Of course big credit goes to his lineman that held him up and kept him from falling down.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:30 pm
by ChampDizzle
Skins get a big win. Was hoping Vikings hold on...oh well
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:39 pm
by shel311