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ajalves wrote:

buckeye76 wrote:[ I was hoping that the Chiefs would win, i just think pittsburgh matches up to them better. .

understatement of the year!

I just like to state the obivous....

VeniVediV1ci wrote:david,

you have to be older than him to call him by his proper name.....sorry, its the rules

Tom Brady.

VeniVediV1ci wrote:david,

how would you go about hedging my Baltimore 20/1

f you and your steelers this weekend, but i'm curious on what you would do (even tho I assume you'll say ride it out)


...in other news, go Rhode Island

it depends how much you had on it but there really isn't much you can do this round since you'd have the AFC championship and Superbowl to go still.

i usually don't hedge til i'm down to 4 teams or i'm not comfortable at all with my pick and want to buy out of it.

DRiccio21 wrote:

packsyD22 wrote:I listen to Cowherd on my way to work every morning. Guy makes good points sometimes, but hes a guy who is all about W's and not statistics.

Surprised you don;t like Cowherd Dave, he almost sucks Lebron off as much as you and Shel do.

he's one of the dumbest men in america.

no joke. i'd have a real tough time thinking of someone that is dumber then him. even guys like skip bayless just do it for the shock factor. Cowherd really believes some of the shit he says even when there is proof saying otherwise.

and i'd suck off anyone who is that great. i am not even a Lebron fan in the sense that i really like him or his team. i just have never seen anything like him and am awed by him. it could be anyone in any sport and i'd 'suck him off' exactly same as i do Lebron.

i completely agree with dave here. If I could take one person out of ESPN it would be him, and i've actually tried to listen to him but I refuse to give him ratings.

Pat probably likes him because he sucks off USC as much as he does LeBron and hates Aaron Rodgers

Really upset the Seahawks 1) Didn't throw the game vs the Rams. I think we would have had the #8 pick. 2) We beat the Saints which means we now draft even shittier.

And since I haven't been following this thread, did Shel give up on Brees > Brady? I mean, c'mon. It's not even an argument anymore. Brady has thrown 4 picks all year; Brees threw 4 in a single game. Brady hasn't thrown a pick since October; until last weekend, Brees had thrown at least one in 12 straight games.

Matt90210 wrote:And since I haven't been following this thread, did Shel give up on Brees > Brady? I mean, c'mon. It's not even an argument anymore. Brady has thrown 4 picks all year; Brees threw 4 in a single game. Brady hasn't thrown a pick since October; until last weekend, Brees had thrown at least one in 12 straight games.

Insert Brady Oline vs NO Oline arguement here------->>>

Cnasty wrote:

Matt90210 wrote:And since I haven't been following this thread, did Shel give up on Brees > Brady? I mean, c'mon. It's not even an argument anymore. Brady has thrown 4 picks all year; Brees threw 4 in a single game. Brady hasn't thrown a pick since October; until last weekend, Brees had thrown at least one in 12 straight games.

Insert Brady Oline vs NO Oline arguement here------->>>

Insert Brady Actually Creates His Own Protection comment here ---->>>

Insert Brady Actually Creates His Own Protection comment here ---->>>[/quote]

insert this reminds me of Moss for Allen comment here.

shel311 wrote:Insert Brady Actually Creates His Own Protection comment here ---->>>

insert this reminds me of Moss for Allen comment here.[/quote]

See? There ya go again. I can actually tell you are engaged because the estrogen is seeping into your brain! You have no basis to counter so you bring up something else. Yet, I have the audacity to continue on what I was talking about while Gordon Gecko went on a financial tangent, and somehow I am ignoring things.

shel311 wrote:Insert Brady Actually Creates His Own Protection comment here ---->>>

insert this reminds me of Moss for Allen comment here.[/quote]

lol give up the moss for allen comment dude. thats honestly the only thing you can say. You guys (like i said) lost to Seattle lol. give it uppp

trendon wrote: I can actually tell you are engaged

LOL. Best post ever.

trendon wrote: You have no basis to counter so you bring up something else

YOu are joking, right? I mean, I've only countered that point about a million times. YOu really wanna go over it again? It's pretty laughable that you think I haven't countered that argument.

nick wrote:lol give up the moss for allen comment dude. thats honestly the only thing you can say. You guys (like i said) lost to Seattle lol. give it uppp

Trendon's knight in shining armor has arrived. And yes, That's the "only" thing I can say. Classic.

shel311 wrote:

Trendon's knight in shining armor has arrived. And yes, That's the "only" thing I can say. Classic.

apparently you've never read yours and daves posts.

plus im pretty sure me and trendon are arguing in the apple thread? remember im the childish one.

with all due respect.

i couldn't give two flying fucks about shel's opinions on anything anymore then anyone elses.

i make my own comments and he makes his own comments. i don't EVER go into a thread just to support or reject anything he or anyone here says. Shel happens to be one of the few people who posts with commen sense and backs his posts with facts. you never hear me back up his Brees>Brady comments because i dont know if thats true. i only like to argue things that are supported by facts... that way i know i'm right and i can call other people idiots.

DRiccio21 wrote:with all due respect.

i couldn't give two flying fucks about shel's opinions on anything

Thankfully, you said with all due respect.

Why Big Ben measures up to BradyThe Pittsburgh quarterback has excelled in a more explosive offenseEmailPrintComments724 By KC Joyner
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Ben Roethlisberger could tie Tom Brady with three championships this year.

By the end of the 1977 NFL season, Pittsburgh Steelers star Terry Bradshaw could have had every reason in the world to feel like the world's most overlooked quarterback.Over the previous six years, he had posted a stellar 49-17 regular-season record and an equally impressive 8-4 postseason mark. Two of those playoff wins were Super Bowl victories and in both of those contests he threw a fourth-quarter touchdown pass that helped seal the win for the Steelers.Despite this abundance of success, Bradshaw still seemingly had not convinced the world he was among the best at his position. Proof of this can be found in the 1977 All-Pro and Pro Bowl voting.Bradshaw had guided his team to a 9-5 record and the AFC Central Division title and yet was beaten out for those postseason honors not just by the likes of Bob Griese and Roger Staubach (the consensus choices as the top quarterbacks of that season), but also by lesser talents such as Pat Haden and Jim Hart.
Near the end of the 2010 season, Ben Roethlisberger could be in exactly the same kind of overlooked boat as his Black and Gold predecessor. Like Bradshaw, he has a superb regular-season record (69-29, a .704 win percentage that is third-best of any quarterback since 1970) and a dominant 8-2 postseason mark that includes two Super Bowl titles.Also like Bradshaw, Roethlisberger is coming off a campaign where his team went 9-3 with him under center and won a hard-fought division title. Still, it wasn't enough for him to be named one of the six quarterbacks going to the Pro Bowl.While that certainly doesn't seem fair on its face, what makes it even more unjust is that a closer look at the game tape and metrics shows that Big Ben was just as good this season as AFC Pro Bowl starter -- and all but certain 2010 NFL MVP -- Tom Brady. A closer look at the game tape and metrics shows that Big Ben was just as good this season as AFC Pro Bowl starter -- and all but certain 2010 NFL MVP -- Tom Brady.

There are three metric areas that work best to illustrate this:

The first is the short pass yards per attempt metric (YPA) (a short pass being one thrown 10 yards or less from the line of scrimmage). Brady's 7.0 YPA total here is excellent, but Roethlisberger's 7.5 YPA is a bit better. One could almost call this a push.

Second on the list is vertical YPA (vertical being defined as a pass thrown 11 or more yards downfield). Brady posted an 11.6 YPA mark, but that was nearly equaled by Roethlisberger's 11.4 YPA. Again, pretty much a push.

Third is bad decision percentage (a bad decision defined as when a quarterback makes a mistake with the ball that leads either to a turnover or a near-turnover such a dropped interception). Brady has always excelled here and his 1.3 percent mark this year meets his historically high standards. Although it tops Roethlisberger's 2.0 percent total, and should seemingly give Brady a significant statistical edge, two things need to be noted here.First, seven-tenths of a percentage point over the course of a 500-attempt season (which is roughly the attempt pace that both Brady and Roethlisberger were on this year, if Roethlisberger's attempt total was pro-rated over a 16-game schedule) equals between three and four extra bad decisions. In other words, an extra mistake by Roethlisberger every four to five games.
Now consider that Roethlisberger and Brady play in offenses that have markedly different passing philosophies. The New England Patriots switched to a dink-and-dunk offense this year and that led to 70.7 percent of Brady's throws occurring at the short-pass depth level.

To put 70.7 percent into perspective, consider that when Matt Cassel filled in for the injured Brady for almost the entire 2008 season, short passes accounted for only 65.3 percent of New England's pass attempts. The Patriots' brain trust scaled things back dramatically for Cassel and yet they still dink and dunked it more this year than they did that season.Now contrast those figures to Roethlisberger's 55.9 percent short pass total. This indicates that the Steelers' offense is absolutely not short-pass centric, but the contrast becomes even easier to see when comparing the vertical pass percentages for each quarterback. Roethlisberger's vertical throws accounted for 37.4 percent of his attempts versus 26.8 percent of Brady's.

In other words, Roethlisberger is piloting a high-risk/high-reward offense. A solid bad decision rate for a quarterback of that nature would be in the 2.5-to-3 percent range and Roethlisberger's 2.0 percent total is well below that. Brady's 1.3 percent mark is just as superb (a 2.0 percent total is considered good for dink/dunk offenses) but when this context is applied, it is clear that his lead in this metric is fairly negligible at best.

And that's the story with pretty much any measurement one can come up with to compare Roethlisberger and Brady both for this season and their careers. The biggest exception to this might be that Brady has three Super Bowl rings to Roethlisberger's two, but the second-biggest exception is that Roethlisberger is 4½ years younger -- he has a lot more time to make up the title gap than Brady has to extend it.It also could mean that Roethlisberger has a chance to mimic Bradshaw in one other important way. As overlooked as the Blond Bomber was in 1977, after he piloted his team to two more Super Bowl wins, he finally received his due by being named the first-string quarterback on the NFL's All-Decade Team of the 1970s.The timing of Roethlisberger's career means that he won't have a chance to beat out Brady for All-Decade honors, but if he guides the Steelers to a Super Bowl this season and ties Brady in the championship rings category, his odds of eventually surpassing Brady as the No. 1 quarterback of this generation are actually quite good.

I'll summarize for Shel, cause we know he won't read all that... Big Ben > Brady

Now Cromartie is flapping his gums. Brady will be bending him over relatively soon I'm sure

ajalves wrote:Now Cromartie is flapping his gums. Brady will be bending him over relatively soon I'm sure

Good or Bad, that flapping of the gums is why he is not in San Diego anymore.

trendon wrote:

Cnasty wrote:

Matt90210 wrote:And since I haven't been following this thread, did Shel give up on Brees > Brady? I mean, c'mon. It's not even an argument anymore. Brady has thrown 4 picks all year; Brees threw 4 in a single game. Brady hasn't thrown a pick since October; until last weekend, Brees had thrown at least one in 12 straight games.

Insert Brady Oline vs NO Oline arguement here------->>>

Insert Brady Actually Creates His Own Protection comment here ---->>>

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