Passing The Ball

[nick]

Well, hopefully I will see you in the cup so I can give you a taste of hell.

It is funny how people will talk shit about you when they have never played you.

Rice @ Houston? when u were undefeated?

[ajalves]

Nick, chill the fuck out.

Randawg is fine

debates are one thing i will allow, but openly bashing another committed league member whether you like them or not isnt going to happen....especially unprovoked

[nick]

Nick, chill the fuck out.

Randawg is fine

debates are one thing i will allow, but openly bashing another committed league member whether you like them or not isnt going to happen....especially unprovoked

sorry boss

[RanDawg]

And I have played ADMIN after ADMIN and CONFERENCE COMMISH after CONFERENCE COMMISH in my years of being in this league.

So, if I were to get kicked out or "talked to" it would have happened by now.

[fsupenguin]

I know I get frustrated when I play someone who can just run the ball all over my team, or who can pass every play and move the ball with no problem. But as long as they are using different plays and formations what is the problem? I would seriously like to know why some people would knock off points on the reports when someone is calling different plays, but the just happen to be a run or pass heavy offense.

[ajalves]

[RanDawg]

I know I get frustrated when I play someone who can just run the ball all over my team, or who can pass every play and move the ball with no problem. But as long as they are using different plays and formations what is the problem? I would seriously like to know why some people would knock off points on the reports when someone is calling different plays, but the just happen to be a run or pass heavy offense.

My only assumption is they don't feel we are mixing in all aspects. "A 'true' sim player needs to run and pass 50/50", maybe that is what is going on in their minds. I have no clue, that is why I jumped in on this passing thread.

[Cnasty]

I would seriously like to know why some people would knock off points on the reports when someone is calling different plays, but the just happen to be a run or pass heavy offense.

Because some people dont know the difference between some plays and just assume its the same play over and over again.

There are many variations of a lot of the same plays and different formations.Some people think throwing over the middle is ALWAYS a drag. Or throwing outside is ALWAYS an out.

Just like some people cant recognize different types of zone and just see zone and assume someone is playing the same defense all game.

[Hoos]

I see no problem in being a pass 1st or run 1st offense. There are very few teams, if any, in real life that are 50/50. As long as the player is mixing up their plays then it’s asinine to dock somebody for being dominant in one area.

[WJ5811]

So . . . if a coach can be dinged for running the ball all game, why can't he be dinged for passing it the entire game.

Guys have been getting dinged for years for passing to much.

Ive never docked anyone for running the ball UNLESS they run the same type of plays over and over. Even if its from diff forms but you wanna pitch ,pitch,pitch outside to your fast HB over and over then I have a problem with it. Thats like me picking diff plays and forms but still throwing to the curl WR every play over and over. Run or pass all you want but use diff forms and plays and run inside and out and pass inside and out and its all good.

[ReignOnU]

I have no issue with Run/Pass mix, as long as there are a wide variety of plays involved.

I'd venture to guess that Tulsa and I were the 2 teams chucking it vs. Houston and if I wasn't one of them, then I'm sure I was close. Truthfully, playing Tulsa has been one of my favorite games, and I'm not sure he ran it more than a handful of times vs. me either.

Sometimes it's just fun to see something new.

Power O, Dive, PA Pass gets pretty stale... especially if you're a much more talented team. If you're going to stomp a mudhole in me, at least let me enjoy watching it and possibly learn something from it.

[RanDawg]

Ive never docked anyone for running the ball UNLESS they run the same type of plays over and over.

SO, how does this work for running. I mean, alot of people see the option as . . . well, the option. Regardless of if you run it from shotgun or under center . . . regardless of if you run a speed option, or power option, or triple option . . . regardless of if you run the option with the WR.

In my playbook there are about 20 option plays. I run about 15 of them. There are about 15 off-tackle plays . . . I run about 6 or 7 of them. There are about 20 inside run plays . . . I run about 6 or 7 of them. There are about 10 pitch plays, I run about 5 of them.

The problem is, many people view it as, option, inside handoff, outside handoff and pitch. So that (in their eyes) only gives me 4 plays to work with. So if I don't pass the ball, then I only run 4 different plays the entire game.

I can see the same thing with passing. Some people view it in sections instead of routes. They see behind the line to a RB, in the flats, over the middle, and deep. Even though there are an abundant amount of plays that pretty much puts a WR in every one of those zones.

Some people just need to open their minds.

[WJ5811]

Ive never docked anyone for running the ball UNLESS they run the same type of plays over and over.

SO, how does this work for running. I mean, alot of people see the option as . . . well, the option. Regardless of if you run it from shotgun or under center . . . regardless of if you run a speed option, or power option, or triple option . . . regardless of if you run the option with the WR.

I dont include the option offense in my above statement. I am talking about when someone comes out in a standard offense under center and pitches it left and then right. Then runs a outside handoff then goes right back and pitches right and then left. Then hands the ball off up the gut and runs straight outside. My point is if its all about running your fast HB outside every play then its a problem But if you are running dives, pitches and options mixed in then sure its fine.

[WJ5811]

Randawg, I also recall your Qb threw for a good amount as well last season so you must have been mixing in passes too.

[RanDawg]

My QB did a good job when I needed him. I had several occasions when I had 8 or 9 guys in the box, thus would catch the defense off guard. The one game I am referring to, though, was one that they had 7, 8, 9, 10 guys in the box, but I was still managed to get yardage because it was a lower team. Don't get me wrong, I will pass the ball when I need to, but I still seem to get crap for running it alot. People will call me a stat whore because I only give the ball to my impact back . . . uuummm, well, . . . if your back is averaging about 9.5+ yards per carry . . . why would you give it to anyone else. In my eyes, he is my "FEATURE" back. That is the same as someone only throwing to ONE WR all game. (which, by the way, I LOVE those games because they are easy to stop for the most part).

Anyway, yes, you are right, I do throw the ball when I need to, but prefer to run it on every down if I can.

[RanDawg]

I'd venture to guess that Tulsa and I were the 2 teams chucking it vs. Houston

Nah, it was Tulsa and FAU. And both coaches received excellent reports from me.

Again, I have not issue with it as long as it is not the same formation and same route. Hell, throw to the same guy all you want, just don't have him run the same route.

[Cnasty]

if you are getting dinged its not for running the ball 95% of the time

True statement.

[Ry]

Well im thinking of going with the spread offense next season bc SC has a huge stable of big fast receivers and a strong armed qb. However, I suck at passing the ball.

Anyone want to tutor? I'll let you win.

[sunspotiens]

if you are getting dinged its not for running the ball 95% of the time

I think when your forum name consists of green letters, you are less likely to get dinged or you've been just lucky as hell. Cause I swear guys complain about everything these days. When you are playing someone you aren't VERY familiar with its like babysitting grown ass men...being extra careful to make sure that you don't hurt their feelings.

But unless you are doing unrealistic shyt like PA Pass on 3rd and 30...I don't care how much you run or pass the ball. I do ask that if you are up by 21 or more in the 4th quarter that you atleast explore running the ball a little bit.

[cnotes008]

Yes. I gave somebody all 1's for throwing a pass last season. It was bullshit.

Cant tell if you are serious or not, so Ill tread lightly.

Why is my main question???

Who cares if someone passes 10 times or 60?? As long as its different formations, different types of plays, and mixing it up I have no idea why this would be docked???

It was actually cuz I lost and I'm a sore loser, not for throwing a pass.

I'm kidding, I meant 1 pass and it was supposed to be funny. I don't care as long as its a variety.

Just thought it was a funny topic.