thats lovely, but what do we do if we cant remember which card we used on thereHoos wrote:I went ahead and called my CC company. They were aware of the problem and shut off my current card and are mailing a new one. The whole thing took 5 minutes.
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I'm just checking my online statement each day. If something happens I'll react, I'm not going through the hassle of changing cards now (I only have one and it is linked to all my various online accounts, with no issues).
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This.ajalves wrote:thats lovely, but what do we do if we cant remember which card we used on thereHoos wrote:I went ahead and called my CC company. They were aware of the problem and shut off my current card and are mailing a new one. The whole thing took 5 minutes.
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if you use online banking and have the ability to check your CC online, i really wouldn't sweat it.
if you use a debit card then it changes things. but even if they charge something on the CC, nothing is going to happen unless you have a really shitty CC company
if you use a debit card then it changes things. but even if they charge something on the CC, nothing is going to happen unless you have a really shitty CC company
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Call me shit-ass stupid for not knowing, but I don't think I've ever used my CC to purchase anything through the PSN Store (always used PSN prepaid cards). My Netflix account does get directly drafted from my bank account through my credit/debit Visa.
Should I be concerned with the connection to my bank account through Netflix?
Should I be concerned with the connection to my bank account through Netflix?
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Great Article
What did Sony know and when did they know it? Those are the questions I've been asking ever since Sony revealed yesterday that not only had their popular PlayStation Network been hacked, but loads of personal data may have been accessed by "malicious" forces. This data includes full name, password, email, home address, and even purchase history. Sony initially said that credit card numbers were not part of the mix, but then basically said it couldn't guarantee that.
With these kinds of non-assurances, many Sony PlayStation Network members (that's about 70 million users, according to Sony) face the prospect of phishing attacks and the unpleasant task of cancelling credit cards and getting new ones.
It didn't start out this way. When the network first went down last week, Sony suspected hackers, but wasn't sure. The problem was severe enough that Sony acknowledged it might not be able to bring the network back online for a day or two, but no one was ringing any alarm bells. This was a nuisance that Sony would handle and investigate. Sony, by the way, likely became a hacking target when it threatened to "ban for life" some hackers who had published a rootkit for the PlayStation 3. The popular global hacking group "Anonymous" threatened Sony for this action, but when the PSN went down, it quickly announced it had nothing to do with it.
Sony's PlayStation Network is a lot like Microsoft's Xbox Live online gaming environment, with one crucial difference: Microsoft charges and Sony does not. Sony instead charges for individual products and services under the Network (Microsoft also has additional fees—which they charge as Microsoft points—within its service). Perhaps that's why many weren't that concerned about a hack on Sony's network. If no one is paying, what is there to steal? Of course, that notion turned out to be sadly naïve.
Nearly three days into the network outage, Sony's story changed a bit. It had actually taken the network down on its own to block an ongoing external intrusion. This suggested that the attack was ongoing and made me wonder: If no one is on the network, what's the value of this intrusion? Sony wasn't rushing to bring the PlayStation network back online and instead focused on rebuilding and trying to enhance its now pulverized network security.
Oddly, during this time, it was hard to find the Sony PlayStation member outrage. Were they really, as some reports suggested, chilling out, enjoying their downtime? Without network access, they couldn't buy and download music, movies and new games—but I assume they found other media and content access avenues. They also couldn't engage in any multi-player gaming, but could still play games all by themselves. Is this a global moment of introspection for Sony PlayStation Network members? I bet more than a few parents have wondered if their Sony PS3-obsessed teen might finally pick up a book. Perhaps they'd all emerge from this week away from the network cleansed and truly thanking Sony for the experience.
Not very likely.
The news that vast amounts of data may have been compromised has surely put a pin in this blissed-out-fantasy balloon. I expect Sony PlayStation members are currently feeling confused and a bit concerned. With the network likely down for another week, they'll have time to get good and angry. I think they should.
My guess is that as soon as Sony knew it was fighting a networking intrusion, which was likely some time on Wednesday or Thursday, it knew it might have a customer data problem. Why? Because any network administrator worth his or her salt would have asked the question: Did the attack reach the customer database? Has it been breached and is there any indication that data left our servers and network?
I'm not saying they'd know for sure whether or not any of this happened: Networks and servers are increasingly complex things and during attacks it is often difficult to pinpoint the issue or exactly what's happening during an attack. Even so, Sony must've suspected, and yet it said nothing. Sure, it kept customers up to date on its progress, but did not alert them to the possibility of a data breach until almost a week into the attack. At that point, customer data has likely been passed along to malefactors—data that might include a credit card number, email, and billing address; time in which someone might have been using that information for credit fraud or identity theft. One thing that, remarkably, the hackers did not get is the credit card security code; the three-digit number after your credit card number, and it may be the tiny little last line of defense between you and the data thieves.
Could Sony have done anything to prevent this attack? I don't know. I did think, until yesterday, that it was being fairly transparent about everything and doing all it could to keep customers informed. But with this latest revelation, I'm no longer sure. Sony knows many of its PlayStation Network customers my now face a world of trouble. The only question remaining is what's Sony going to do about it? Oh and there is that other one for the lawyers who are sure to come: What did Sony know and when did they know it?
What did Sony know and when did they know it? Those are the questions I've been asking ever since Sony revealed yesterday that not only had their popular PlayStation Network been hacked, but loads of personal data may have been accessed by "malicious" forces. This data includes full name, password, email, home address, and even purchase history. Sony initially said that credit card numbers were not part of the mix, but then basically said it couldn't guarantee that.
With these kinds of non-assurances, many Sony PlayStation Network members (that's about 70 million users, according to Sony) face the prospect of phishing attacks and the unpleasant task of cancelling credit cards and getting new ones.
It didn't start out this way. When the network first went down last week, Sony suspected hackers, but wasn't sure. The problem was severe enough that Sony acknowledged it might not be able to bring the network back online for a day or two, but no one was ringing any alarm bells. This was a nuisance that Sony would handle and investigate. Sony, by the way, likely became a hacking target when it threatened to "ban for life" some hackers who had published a rootkit for the PlayStation 3. The popular global hacking group "Anonymous" threatened Sony for this action, but when the PSN went down, it quickly announced it had nothing to do with it.
Sony's PlayStation Network is a lot like Microsoft's Xbox Live online gaming environment, with one crucial difference: Microsoft charges and Sony does not. Sony instead charges for individual products and services under the Network (Microsoft also has additional fees—which they charge as Microsoft points—within its service). Perhaps that's why many weren't that concerned about a hack on Sony's network. If no one is paying, what is there to steal? Of course, that notion turned out to be sadly naïve.
Nearly three days into the network outage, Sony's story changed a bit. It had actually taken the network down on its own to block an ongoing external intrusion. This suggested that the attack was ongoing and made me wonder: If no one is on the network, what's the value of this intrusion? Sony wasn't rushing to bring the PlayStation network back online and instead focused on rebuilding and trying to enhance its now pulverized network security.
Oddly, during this time, it was hard to find the Sony PlayStation member outrage. Were they really, as some reports suggested, chilling out, enjoying their downtime? Without network access, they couldn't buy and download music, movies and new games—but I assume they found other media and content access avenues. They also couldn't engage in any multi-player gaming, but could still play games all by themselves. Is this a global moment of introspection for Sony PlayStation Network members? I bet more than a few parents have wondered if their Sony PS3-obsessed teen might finally pick up a book. Perhaps they'd all emerge from this week away from the network cleansed and truly thanking Sony for the experience.
Not very likely.
The news that vast amounts of data may have been compromised has surely put a pin in this blissed-out-fantasy balloon. I expect Sony PlayStation members are currently feeling confused and a bit concerned. With the network likely down for another week, they'll have time to get good and angry. I think they should.
My guess is that as soon as Sony knew it was fighting a networking intrusion, which was likely some time on Wednesday or Thursday, it knew it might have a customer data problem. Why? Because any network administrator worth his or her salt would have asked the question: Did the attack reach the customer database? Has it been breached and is there any indication that data left our servers and network?
I'm not saying they'd know for sure whether or not any of this happened: Networks and servers are increasingly complex things and during attacks it is often difficult to pinpoint the issue or exactly what's happening during an attack. Even so, Sony must've suspected, and yet it said nothing. Sure, it kept customers up to date on its progress, but did not alert them to the possibility of a data breach until almost a week into the attack. At that point, customer data has likely been passed along to malefactors—data that might include a credit card number, email, and billing address; time in which someone might have been using that information for credit fraud or identity theft. One thing that, remarkably, the hackers did not get is the credit card security code; the three-digit number after your credit card number, and it may be the tiny little last line of defense between you and the data thieves.
Could Sony have done anything to prevent this attack? I don't know. I did think, until yesterday, that it was being fairly transparent about everything and doing all it could to keep customers informed. But with this latest revelation, I'm no longer sure. Sony knows many of its PlayStation Network customers my now face a world of trouble. The only question remaining is what's Sony going to do about it? Oh and there is that other one for the lawyers who are sure to come: What did Sony know and when did they know it?
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BFiVL wrote:Great Article
What did Sony know and when did they know it? Those are the questions I've been asking ever since Sony revealed yesterday that not only had their popular PlayStation Network been hacked, but loads of personal data may have been accessed by "malicious" forces. This data includes full name, password, email, home address, and even purchase history. Sony initially said that credit card numbers were not part of the mix, but then basically said it couldn't guarantee that.
With these kinds of non-assurances, many Sony PlayStation Network members (that's about 70 million users, according to Sony) face the prospect of phishing attacks and the unpleasant task of cancelling credit cards and getting new ones.
It didn't start out this way. When the network first went down last week, Sony suspected hackers, but wasn't sure. The problem was severe enough that Sony acknowledged it might not be able to bring the network back online for a day or two, but no one was ringing any alarm bells. This was a nuisance that Sony would handle and investigate. Sony, by the way, likely became a hacking target when it threatened to "ban for life" some hackers who had published a rootkit for the PlayStation 3. The popular global hacking group "Anonymous" threatened Sony for this action, but when the PSN went down, it quickly announced it had nothing to do with it.
Sony's PlayStation Network is a lot like Microsoft's Xbox Live online gaming environment, with one crucial difference: Microsoft charges and Sony does not. Sony instead charges for individual products and services under the Network (Microsoft also has additional fees—which they charge as Microsoft points—within its service). Perhaps that's why many weren't that concerned about a hack on Sony's network. If no one is paying, what is there to steal? Of course, that notion turned out to be sadly naïve.
Nearly three days into the network outage, Sony's story changed a bit. It had actually taken the network down on its own to block an ongoing external intrusion. This suggested that the attack was ongoing and made me wonder: If no one is on the network, what's the value of this intrusion? Sony wasn't rushing to bring the PlayStation network back online and instead focused on rebuilding and trying to enhance its now pulverized network security.
Oddly, during this time, it was hard to find the Sony PlayStation member outrage. Were they really, as some reports suggested, chilling out, enjoying their downtime? Without network access, they couldn't buy and download music, movies and new games—but I assume they found other media and content access avenues. They also couldn't engage in any multi-player gaming, but could still play games all by themselves. Is this a global moment of introspection for Sony PlayStation Network members? I bet more than a few parents have wondered if their Sony PS3-obsessed teen might finally pick up a book. Perhaps they'd all emerge from this week away from the network cleansed and truly thanking Sony for the experience.
Not very likely.
The news that vast amounts of data may have been compromised has surely put a pin in this blissed-out-fantasy balloon. I expect Sony PlayStation members are currently feeling confused and a bit concerned. With the network likely down for another week, they'll have time to get good and angry. I think they should.
My guess is that as soon as Sony knew it was fighting a networking intrusion, which was likely some time on Wednesday or Thursday, it knew it might have a customer data problem. Why? Because any network administrator worth his or her salt would have asked the question: Did the attack reach the customer database? Has it been breached and is there any indication that data left our servers and network?
I'm not saying they'd know for sure whether or not any of this happened: Networks and servers are increasingly complex things and during attacks it is often difficult to pinpoint the issue or exactly what's happening during an attack. Even so, Sony must've suspected, and yet it said nothing. Sure, it kept customers up to date on its progress, but did not alert them to the possibility of a data breach until almost a week into the attack. At that point, customer data has likely been passed along to malefactors—data that might include a credit card number, email, and billing address; time in which someone might have been using that information for credit fraud or identity theft. One thing that, remarkably, the hackers did not get is the credit card security code; the three-digit number after your credit card number, and it may be the tiny little last line of defense between you and the data thieves.
Could Sony have done anything to prevent this attack? I don't know. I did think, until yesterday, that it was being fairly transparent about everything and doing all it could to keep customers informed. But with this latest revelation, I'm no longer sure. Sony knows many of its PlayStation Network customers my now face a world of trouble. The only question remaining is what's Sony going to do about it? Oh and there is that other one for the lawyers who are sure to come: What did Sony know and when did they know it?
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The last 4 paragraphs I highlighted are really good shit. Article is from PC Mag.
Also new article putting out a nice scare tactic saying this could cost sony 24 billion.
PlayStation Network could ultimately cost Sony a massive amount of money. PS3 initially cost Sony an extraordinary amount to R&D and manufacture, but this PSN crisis is potentially far worse financially.
According to the Ponemon Institute, a data-security research firm, the estimated cost of a data breach involving a malicious or criminal act averaged $318 per compromised record in 2010 (that's up 48% from 2009). Factoring in about 77 million PSN accounts, the grand total of the PlayStation Network breach could be more than $24 billion.
"Simply put, [this is] one of the worst breaches we've seen in several years," added Josh Shaul, chief technology officer for Application Security Inc., a New York-based company that is one of the country's largest database security software makers.
Also new article putting out a nice scare tactic saying this could cost sony 24 billion.
PlayStation Network could ultimately cost Sony a massive amount of money. PS3 initially cost Sony an extraordinary amount to R&D and manufacture, but this PSN crisis is potentially far worse financially.
According to the Ponemon Institute, a data-security research firm, the estimated cost of a data breach involving a malicious or criminal act averaged $318 per compromised record in 2010 (that's up 48% from 2009). Factoring in about 77 million PSN accounts, the grand total of the PlayStation Network breach could be more than $24 billion.
"Simply put, [this is] one of the worst breaches we've seen in several years," added Josh Shaul, chief technology officer for Application Security Inc., a New York-based company that is one of the country's largest database security software makers.
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I think you've posted the same info in about 8 different ways Bama. Well done.
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BIGmike wrote:I think you've posted the same info in about 8 different ways Bama. Well done.
mehhhhhhhhh, Home for a flood day, aint got shit to do. Wish I had a happening night club and fancy glow sticks to play with, but this will have to do.
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A class-action lawsuit is being filed against Sony for the data breach. It was filed by an Alabama man......
On top of that, apparently the United States Senate is starting to ask questions. Guess one of our legislators is pissed that he can't shoot noobs either.
On top of that, apparently the United States Senate is starting to ask questions. Guess one of our legislators is pissed that he can't shoot noobs either.
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I can live with a fee as long as the PSN works like X-Box Live. Live kills the PSN in terms of what you can do and 60 bucks a year is nothing. If they were to charge us for what we were previously getting for free without any upgrades then I would pissed.LetsGoPeay wrote:And once again this is why the days of a free PSN are numbered.
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PS doesn't need to charge because PS Home apparently prints money. I have no clue how since I have never seen anybody on it but it's a huge money maker.
I do agree that the 360 blows the PS3 away in terms of layout and making everything easily accessible. I find myself browsing around my 360 just checking out different stuff while I do almost nothing but play games on the PS3.
I do agree that the 360 blows the PS3 away in terms of layout and making everything easily accessible. I find myself browsing around my 360 just checking out different stuff while I do almost nothing but play games on the PS3.
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I remember an reading article about how Home supposedly is used by millions of people who buy furniture/other useless shit for their avatars, but I've never seen anyone from the 100 or so people on my buddy list on the damn thing.Hoos wrote:PS doesn't need to charge because PS Home apparently prints money. I have no clue how since I have never seen anybody on it but it's a huge money maker.
I do agree that the 360 blows the PS3 away in terms of layout and making everything easily accessible. I find myself browsing around my 360 just checking out different stuff while I do almost nothing but play games on the PS3.
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I'm guessing people that are into crap like Second Life must love Home.
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Hart4Heisman wrote:guess those anonymous fuckers did what they said they were gonna do.
its awesome they can tell them they are gonna do it, and still can do it.
guess it couldnt have happend at a better time for the NDL though, in the lull between season 3 of 1 game and the next one dropping.
Except this wasn't done by Anonymous.
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Hart4Heisman wrote:isnt that what the original "intrusion" was?
making them go back and look at everything, thus finding holes and then it became clear what happened?
find it odd that this all happens in very close proximity to eachother
No; the original "intrusion" was on Wednesday, and it snowballed from there. That said, Anonymous suspended their activities a few weeks ago, and they denied responsibility for this one. Besides, they were too busy going after New Zealand's government (they were supposed to hack their systems last night, not sure if they did or not)
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In there stated denial, they said it was possible their members are behind the attack. Their words, not mine.jsence2 wrote:Hart4Heisman wrote:isnt that what the original "intrusion" was?
making them go back and look at everything, thus finding holes and then it became clear what happened?
find it odd that this all happens in very close proximity to eachother
No; the original "intrusion" was on Wednesday, and it snowballed from there. That said, Anonymous suspended their activities a few weeks ago, and they denied responsibility for this one. Besides, they were too busy going after New Zealand's government (they were supposed to hack their systems last night, not sure if they did or not)
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