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I have no clue what I'd do, but I know what I think I'd do. And granted, this doesn't apply to examples like if you caught it in the act, those would be done on an impulse.

But you mentioned the A Time to Kill movie. No, I like to think there's no way I'd actually plan and follow through with something like that, and I don't think you would either.

The reason I think that is:

GeorgesGoons wrote: My family is the only thing I care about, above anything and everyone (including myself).

If that dude is gonna rot in jail or even get the death penalty, I'm pretty sure that me being able to be a father for the rest of my kids' or my life is the best thing to do for my family, and killing the dude is definitely not the best thing to do for my family.

I think this would be the one exception for me. I am sure it is 50/50 weather I would.

Noles gonna Nole.

GeorgesGoons wrote:I am sure you remember the John Graham book "a time to kill" you telling me you wouldn't? After reading the book and watching the movie I told my wife She would be living without me if that ever happened.

Grisham... you're welcome Carl Lee.

Hoos wrote:Noles gonna Nole.

I doubt we will ever know what truly happened and if that department is ever held responsible for how they conducted their investigation on any of those cases.

ReignOnU wrote:

GeorgesGoons wrote:I am sure you remember the John Graham book "a time to kill" you telling me you wouldn't? After reading the book and watching the movie I told my wife She would be living without me if that ever happened.

Grisham... you're welcome Carl Lee.

Damn autocorrect

Cnasty wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014 ... ports&_r=1

Well, that was infuriating to read

Into a fb argument with fsupenguin.

It's all made up folks, nothing to see here. Only one side of the story from the NY times.

She's a "cleat chaser". That has zero to do with how this was investigated or the lack thereof.

FSU's response

http://fsunytimes.fsu.edu

Cnasty wrote:FSU's response

http://fsunytimes.fsu.edu

Only two of those points were relevant to the article by the NYT's. The Great were your obvious CYA talking points.

It is a slanted article just like most NYT articles. Journalism has definitely gone downhill. For example: Why no mention of the female's toxicology report, especially after you imply she was drugged at PotBelly's? Because it shows she wasn't intoxicated and had no drugs in her system.
Also what was not mentioned was that the young lady gave inconsistent statements from the beginning and prosecution was going to be near impossible.
Why not mention both sides.. all of the facts.. instead of only those that support the tone of the article?

Because it's an article with their findings. We've heard all the "facts" from the state, University, and police department. Here is the other side.

If you believe they did their very best in investigating this as a police department, well I don't know what to tell ya.

Honestly I probably shouldn't comment being a biased, rival fan as you probably shouldn't with your garnet and gold glasses with penguin.

I'm not saying he was guilty or not. I'm just saying it is a slanted article. I think the police did a terrible job. This author did a very biased job of reporting facts though. Just like most NYT reporters these days. They aren't reporters. They are opinion givers.

I agree it is very slanted but within that slanting there are possibly a lot of elements of truth.

I am not saying he is guilty either. I think he was a part of something that was mishandled by the University and the police department where they turned a blind eye to big specifics and did not investigate this to the best of their ability.

Me and you weren't there and we may never know if he is guilty or not but throwing around slurs like "cleat chaser" and shit like that is your own, "slanted" opinion. (not yours specifically but others have said)

If the guy is guilty his ass should be in jail. I don't care what team he plays for. I wouldn't want him representing my team. The handling by police was terrible. The fact that she couldn't get her story straight and the toxicology not supporting her hurt and may have dissuaded them from pursuing the case further. The ball was definitely dropped though.

You knew it was coming.

From a Pensacola newspaper:

OracleHCR wrote:If the guy is guilty his ass should be in jail. I don't care what team he plays for. I wouldn't want him representing my team. The handling by police was terrible. The fact that she couldn't get her story straight and the toxicology not supporting her hurt and may have dissuaded them from pursuing the case further. The ball was definitely dropped though.

Exactly. Any case like this seems to be seen as either guilty till proven innocent or money/power is perceived to keep it quiet. Yet is that really the truth? I personally doubt it. Multiple things raise issue with the accuser being credible probably have a lot to do with how the case was handled, and these missteps are the PD, not the university. Like what was said to begin with, if someone is proven to have done wrong they deserve to get burned, but this has been a witch hunt since the story dropped in the fall. So ya, I'm gonna get a bit ticked off about some of the attacks being leveled.

Syracuse is getting new unis:



Maybe I'm crazy but shouldn't a team called the Orange have more orange?

fsupenguin wrote:

OracleHCR wrote:If the guy is guilty his ass should be in jail. I don't care what team he plays for. I wouldn't want him representing my team. The handling by police was terrible. The fact that she couldn't get her story straight and the toxicology not supporting her hurt and may have dissuaded them from pursuing the case further. The ball was definitely dropped though.

Exactly. Any case like this seems to be seen as either guilty till proven innocent or money/power is perceived to keep it quiet. Yet is that really the truth? I personally doubt it. Multiple things raise issue with the accuser being credible probably have a lot to do with how the case was handled, and these missteps are the PD, not the university. Like what was said to begin with, if someone is proven to have done wrong they deserve to get burned, but this has been a witch hunt since the story dropped in the fall. So ya, I'm gonna get a bit ticked off about some of the attacks being leveled.

If you think that the University did absolutely nothing to try to keep this hush hush (guilty or not, it's bad for the program), then you're blinded by your fandom. Just like UK has tried to keep things hush-hush when guys like Terrence Jones get caught in cars with guns in them; just like Alabama tries to cover things up, or USC, or Florida, or any other business entity where the bad publicity could cost them millions of dollars. It happens. Guilty or not, the University's athletic department played a role in keeping this investigation from going as far as it should have. And guilty or not....the police have a responsibility to investigate, and they didn't. That's what the article discusses, and proves that the investigation didn't proceed as it should have; far from it, in fact.

jsence2 wrote:

fsupenguin wrote:

OracleHCR wrote:If the guy is guilty his ass should be in jail. I don't care what team he plays for. I wouldn't want him representing my team. The handling by police was terrible. The fact that she couldn't get her story straight and the toxicology not supporting her hurt and may have dissuaded them from pursuing the case further. The ball was definitely dropped though.

Exactly. Any case like this seems to be seen as either guilty till proven innocent or money/power is perceived to keep it quiet. Yet is that really the truth? I personally doubt it. Multiple things raise issue with the accuser being credible probably have a lot to do with how the case was handled, and these missteps are the PD, not the university. Like what was said to begin with, if someone is proven to have done wrong they deserve to get burned, but this has been a witch hunt since the story dropped in the fall. So ya, I'm gonna get a bit ticked off about some of the attacks being leveled.

If you think that the University did absolutely nothing to try to keep this hush hush (guilty or not, it's bad for the program), then you're blinded by your fandom. Just like UK has tried to keep things hush-hush when guys like Terrence Jones get caught in cars with guns in them; just like Alabama tries to cover things up, or USC, or Florida, or any other business entity where the bad publicity could cost them millions of dollars. It happens. Guilty or not, the University's athletic department played a role in keeping this investigation from going as far as it should have. And guilty or not....the police have a responsibility to investigate, and they didn't. That's what the article discusses, and proves that the investigation didn't proceed as it should have; far from it, in fact.

I don't believe anyone debates that the PD did things wrong, and to the level that some heads should roll.
Yet as for saying that the university is at fault is grasping at straws. Of course you don't publicize something involving the name of a well known student, and to base an opinion of any of this off of a piece written in a New York newspaper blows my mind. A newspaper has the most clear agenda and slanted view of anyone in this, they don't care about the accuser, the accused, the PD, the university, truth, or justice. More integrity is found in beer commercials. I'm all for the truth being pursued, but right or wrong the information we have right now only tells us an accusation was made and the PD did not doing everything in their power to investigate it. All else is dangerous speculation at this point.