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tball275 wrote:

dealer4014 wrote:one of my buddies just called and said he heard on the radio

texas and texas a&m have petitioned the big 10 entrance

oklahoma has petitioned the SEC

oklahoma st would go to the Pac -10

LINK backing that up: http://www.kctv5.com/sports/23860558/detail.html

I read that, and one saying that SEC has been in talks w/ A&M. the article above says that Oklahoma has to find a program to come into the SEC with? isn't that the SEC's job to find another program to even it out? "Ok you can come to the party, but you gotta bring a date."

I don't think A&M and OU would come to SEC if horns don't would they? SEC would just like to get a gain in the state of Texas, not A&M isn't UT but it is a huge fanbase and lots of tvs.

OH and I read in this article that if SEC changes the # of teams in the conference that it allows a renegotiation of the tv contracts that they just signed w/CBS and ESPN.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... z0qSKgF0dT

Roy Kramer former commish of the SEC thinks the SEC gets WVU,VA TECH,FSU and Ga Tech.

I would live with that. I much rather see Mia in that list as well. GA Tech and Va Tech make the most sense. Ga Tech was a 30 year SEC member, Va Tech would be a natural rival to Tenn. FSU makes good sense as well since the SEC asked them to join 20 years ago. WVU is the head scratcher. The SEC has said they would be reactive and not proactive. While I understand that, I really wish we would go after TAMU and Texas. those are 2 huge markets, along with FSU and Mia.

BFiVL wrote:Roy Kramer former commish of the SEC thinks the SEC gets WVU,VA TECH,FSU and Ga Tech.

I would live with that. I much rather see Mia in that list as well. GA Tech and Va Tech make the most sense. Ga Tech was a 30 year SEC member, Va Tech would be a natural rival to Tenn. FSU makes good sense as well since the SEC asked them to join 20 years ago. WVU is the head scratcher. The SEC has said they would be reactive and not proactive. While I understand that, I really wish we would go after TAMU and Texas. those are 2 huge markets, along with FSU and Mia.

I dont think gt or fsu are that big of a deal to the SEC.

IF SEC reaches into ACC I think it would be into Carolina as in North or the Virginia(DC) markets. Hoos, would Virginia politics allow VT to seperate again from UVa? Seems like they went to bat for them to get them into ACC last expansion.

Wondering if an A&M/VT w/OU and another eastern team involved or if it is another western team Aub would prolly shift over to East(at least geographically furthest east)expansion maybe in the works?
Reason for A&M and VT gives them huge markets that they do not have covered already.

Dolemitesooner wrote:

LetsGoPeay wrote:

Dolemitesooner wrote:UVA is about to be unrelevent in Baseball too. LMAO

Doley's the best.

You're so good to me.

I wasn't making fun of you personally just that word. It struck me as funny for some reason. I'm not a grammar nazi.

TheRealDray wrote:Hoos, would Virginia politics allow VT to seperate again from UVa? Seems like they went to bat for them to get them into ACC last expansion.

I don't know the answer to that. I would say informal discussions are probably going on now. The situation is drastically different than when the ACC went after the Big East.

The fear then was the economic problems that a weakened Big East would mean for VT. SW Virginia (VT country) is economically depressed and any further lack of funding would really hurt VT.

That isn't really the situation here. VT would get more money and there isn't a worry that UVA is going broke. Plus, the ACC isn't going away no matter what. If they get raided, they will just raid the Big East again.

However, UVA clearly went to bat for VT. I don't think VT can make a move to the SEC without the green light from both the politicians and UVA.

I'm not even really sure what VT's stance would be. I think there are a lot of things outside of football in the ACC that fit VT. Clearly, whatever the ACC plans are, will impact their desire one way or the other.

TheRealDray wrote:

BFiVL wrote:Roy Kramer former commish of the SEC thinks the SEC gets WVU,VA TECH,FSU and Ga Tech.

I would live with that. I much rather see Mia in that list as well. GA Tech and Va Tech make the most sense. Ga Tech was a 30 year SEC member, Va Tech would be a natural rival to Tenn. FSU makes good sense as well since the SEC asked them to join 20 years ago. WVU is the head scratcher. The SEC has said they would be reactive and not proactive. While I understand that, I really wish we would go after TAMU and Texas. those are 2 huge markets, along with FSU and Mia.

I dont think gt or fsu are that big of a deal to the SEC.

IF SEC reaches into ACC I think it would be into Carolina as in North or the Virginia(DC) markets. Hoos, would Virginia politics allow VT to seperate again from UVa? Seems like they went to bat for them to get them into ACC last expansion.

Wondering if an A&M/VT w/OU and another eastern team involved or if it is another western team Aub would prolly shift over to East(at least geographically furthest east)expansion maybe in the works?
Reason for A&M and VT gives them huge markets that they do not have covered already.

Let's be perfectly honest, the SEC is fine regardless, they need no one to join them. Those team mentioned would be good fits, but Texas would open a whole new demographic to the SEC. Texas and A&M are a package, you cant get one without the other. I love FSU and wish they would have joined 20 years ago.

BFiVL wrote:

TheRealDray wrote:

BFiVL wrote:Roy Kramer former commish of the SEC thinks the SEC gets WVU,VA TECH,FSU and Ga Tech.

I would live with that. I much rather see Mia in that list as well. GA Tech and Va Tech make the most sense. Ga Tech was a 30 year SEC member, Va Tech would be a natural rival to Tenn. FSU makes good sense as well since the SEC asked them to join 20 years ago. WVU is the head scratcher. The SEC has said they would be reactive and not proactive. While I understand that, I really wish we would go after TAMU and Texas. those are 2 huge markets, along with FSU and Mia.

I dont think gt or fsu are that big of a deal to the SEC.

IF SEC reaches into ACC I think it would be into Carolina as in North or the Virginia(DC) markets. Hoos, would Virginia politics allow VT to seperate again from UVa? Seems like they went to bat for them to get them into ACC last expansion.

Wondering if an A&M/VT w/OU and another eastern team involved or if it is another western team Aub would prolly shift over to East(at least geographically furthest east)expansion maybe in the works?
Reason for A&M and VT gives them huge markets that they do not have covered already.

Let's be perfectly honest, the SEC is fine regardless, they need no one to join them. Those team mentioned would be good fits, but Texas would open a whole new demographic to the SEC. Texas and A&M are a package, you cant get one without the other. I love FSU and wish they would have joined 20 years ago.

oh I know, in fact if there is not a Texas school or a school that can bring in its own profitable program or has a huge tv market that the SEC does not have a presence in already I don't really want the SEC to expand. It would just make each piece of the proverbial pie smaller. To me, a GTech Miami or Clemson would just cut into the revenue.

It is prolly just an article that the guy had at deadline, but this SI article implies that A&M would certainly be willing to split w/UT if it was in their best interest, especially if A&M regents member Gene Stallings has any say on the matter.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... z0qSKgF0dT

Well, Colorado celebrates its admission to the Pac 10 by losing five scholarships for failing to meet the NCAA academic progress standards

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id ... tes-are-in

dealer4014 wrote: texas and texas a&m have petitioned the big 10 entrance

Sigh

trendon wrote:

dealer4014 wrote: texas and texas a&m have petitioned the big 10 entrance

Sigh

Nebraska petitions to join the MAC trying to stay away from texas

Orangebloods.com (the site that seems to be on the ball most often with the Big XII scenarios) is reporting that the SEC is talking to both Texas A&M and Virginia Tech to join the SEC West and East, respectively.

That would force the Pac-10 to take Baylor, and would give the SEC even more power in football.

jsence2 wrote:Orangebloods.com (the site that seems to be on the ball most often with the Big XII scenarios) is reporting that the SEC is talking to both Texas A&M and Virginia Tech to join the SEC West and East, respectively.

That would force the Pac-10 to take Baylor, and would give the SEC even more power in football.

WRONG on Baylor.

Cal was 100% against Baylor coming to the Pac-10, due to Baylor's status as a Baptist school. That also shows that BYU never had a chance at being considered either due to being a Mormon school. If Texas A&M goes to the SEC, look at the Pac-10 to go after Utah, or one of the other Big 12 schools not taken, Baylor will not be approved by the Pac-10.

Orangebloods writer (Chip Brown) gets everything directly from the Texas adminstration, including some leaks they want to get out before they can officially announce. That's why he is in the know, and he said that TV report about Texas interested in the Big 10 was BS.

Mtwasik wrote:

jsence2 wrote:Orangebloods.com (the site that seems to be on the ball most often with the Big XII scenarios) is reporting that the SEC is talking to both Texas A&M and Virginia Tech to join the SEC West and East, respectively.

That would force the Pac-10 to take Baylor, and would give the SEC even more power in football.

WRONG on Baylor.

Cal was 100% against Baylor coming to the Pac-10, due to Baylor's status as a Baptist school. That also shows that BYU never had a chance at being considered either due to being a Mormon school. If Texas A&M goes to the SEC, look at the Pac-10 to go after Utah, or one of the other Big 12 schools not taken, Baylor will not be approved by the Pac-10.

Orangebloods writer (Chip Brown) gets everything directly from the Texas adminstration, including some leaks they want to get out before they can officially announce. That's why he is in the know, and he said that TV report about Texas interested in the Big 10 was BS.

If Cal blocks Baylor (and it likely would because of the reasons above and TAMU bolted for the SEC over Pac 10) Would the Pac 10 just take Texas and stop? I mean I could still see Stanford blocking Texas Tech based on the fact that they aren't a research institution. I mean, Stanford would get rid of Oregon State if it had its way.

Uuaww wrote:

Mtwasik wrote:

jsence2 wrote:Orangebloods.com (the site that seems to be on the ball most often with the Big XII scenarios) is reporting that the SEC is talking to both Texas A&M and Virginia Tech to join the SEC West and East, respectively.

That would force the Pac-10 to take Baylor, and would give the SEC even more power in football.

WRONG on Baylor.

Cal was 100% against Baylor coming to the Pac-10, due to Baylor's status as a Baptist school. That also shows that BYU never had a chance at being considered either due to being a Mormon school. If Texas A&M goes to the SEC, look at the Pac-10 to go after Utah, or one of the other Big 12 schools not taken, Baylor will not be approved by the Pac-10.

Orangebloods writer (Chip Brown) gets everything directly from the Texas adminstration, including some leaks they want to get out before they can officially announce. That's why he is in the know, and he said that TV report about Texas interested in the Big 10 was BS.

If Cal blocks Baylor (and it likely would because of the reasons above and TAMU bolted for the SEC over Pac 10) Would the Pac 10 just take Texas and stop? I mean I could still see Stanford blocking Texas Tech based on the fact that they aren't a research institution. I mean, Stanford would get rid of Oregon State if it had its way.

every indication is that the Pac-10 already has approved the original six schools mentioned (texas, A&M, Tech, Okla St, Okla, and Colo.). Baylor was hoping to get in at the last second, they had not been pre approved by the Pac-10. A&M might not choose to go to the Pac-10, but they have been approved to be offered membership.

trendon wrote:

dealer4014 wrote: texas and texas a&m have petitioned the big 10 entrance

Sigh

Oh my would that be great

BFiVL wrote:Roy Kramer former commish of the SEC thinks the SEC gets WVU,VA TECH,FSU and Ga Tech.

I would live with that. I much rather see Mia in that list as well. GA Tech and Va Tech make the most sense. Ga Tech was a 30 year SEC member, Va Tech would be a natural rival to Tenn. FSU makes good sense as well since the SEC asked them to join 20 years ago. WVU is the head scratcher. The SEC has said they would be reactive and not proactive. While I understand that, I really wish we would go after TAMU and Texas. those are 2 huge markets, along with FSU and Mia.

WVU finished 3rd in the last round of expansion for the SEC. It's not all about the size of the state, as Nebraska has demonstrated (not saying we are Nebraska, just comparing population). WVU has a large and loyal fan base, and they draw ratings. Additionally, we have had a great deal of success in the two major sports recently, and WVU is the winningest football team without a MNC. The other reason I've heard that the SEC is interested in WVU is that they could get them at a discounted rate. WVU and likely VT would take a reduce share of the pie in the first 5 years, because that's still a lot more than we're getting from the Big East. There are a ton of WVU alums in Pittsburgh, DC, Baltimore, and Atlanta, so that only helps those markets.

I guess what I'm saying is that it should not be a head scratcher. Texas feels they are above the SEC academically and will not join that conference. I've also heard that Florida may try to block adding more Florida schools.

While you can't believe anything being said right now...............VT Prez said there is no SEC offer and they aren't interested in leaving the ACC. Of course, if other ACC schools left then anything could happen.

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The SEC might be running out of time to grab Texas, but might the league indeed pursue Tech?

"I have not heard that at all," Weaver said. "That surprises me tremendously."

"I don't think that's going to happen. I think it's really farfetched. ... I don't think the Southeastern Conference would come that far north."

"We are where we're best suited at this juncture," he said. "The ACC's the best place for Virginia Tech because of the footprint, because we have so many like institutions."

"We don't want to [leave] because we're in the best position for us in terms of travel where we are."

"That was one of the primary reasons why the ACC was better for us than the Big East, because we had to spend all of our money traveling our teams to the Northeast."

Weaver isn't so sure the SEC will expand. The 12 SEC members will reap $17.3 million apiece in league revenue this year.

"I'm really not sure that everybody's going to try to go to 16," he said. "I don't know where that makes senses for all the conferences because you've got to be able to stay whole revenue-wise."

"I don't see [the SEC] getting bigger for the sake of getting bigger."

You know what I love about this whole thing? My company is going through a huge transition with hundreds (if not thousands) of jobs at stake and this topic is getting more focus and attention than that is.

polobert wrote:You know what I love about this whole thing? My company is going through a huge transition with hundreds (if not thousands) of jobs at stake and this topic is getting more focus and attention than that is.

Not trying to sound inconsiderate, but why wouldnt it?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276064

Mtwasik has some good sources