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shel311 wrote:

Cnasty wrote:It's funny Shel, they are actually reviewing it which is silly.

They should go back and review every pass Brees threw then or Manning how many times he did this on the season with an incorrect call.

When I saw it on the Saints message boards, I laughed it off at first. Then they mentioned how ESPN had it on their main headlines and actually took it down, then I was pretty shocked to see they may actually take it away.

If Manning had played the entire game, that may be 1 thing. But it's kinda silly considering he sat out the entire 2nd half or some shit.

On the ESPN forum:

Trisha Dodson · Appalachian tech
The record has to stand. If the incompetent refs did not call it a lateral during the game it can not be called one after the fact. If you do that then you have to go back through NFL history reviewing plays and changing the outcome of all the games ever played.

lulz

Was looking at my favorite football stat - percentage of drives that ended in scores - and it is always interesting to see just how important this stat is ... but is never mentioned. Instead, we'll see stats about time of possession, third down percentage, and other useless stats.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/y ... _stats::23

One Patriots-related note: this is the first time they haven't been in the Top 3 in this stat since 2006 (and only the second time since 2002) ... they finished fourth this season. This is, of course because of the gay non-call vs the Panthers. So, that call robbed the Patriots of several things.

Also, congratulations to Eli Manning for successfully having over 20% of the Giants' drive end in turnovers. That is a remarkable feat that is generally only accomplished by the Raiders and Buccaneers.

3rd down percentage a useless stat?

Good one.

shel311 wrote:3rd down percentage a useless stat?

Good one.

It absolutely is.

3rd down percentage is kinda overrated. what does 3rd down matter if you get 1sts on 1st and 2nd down?

nick wrote:3rd down percentage is kinda overrated. what does 3rd down matter if you get 1sts on 1st and 2nd down?

What percentage of scoring drives occur without ever facing a 3rd down?

I'm guessing pretty low, right?

Games are won and lost on 3rd down. Offenses want to get into a manageable 3rd down and defenses want to get to 3rd and long.

The ability for an offense to keep a drive alive or ability of a defense to get off the field.
Once inside FG range, often 3rd down is the difference between a FG and a TD.

I would agree scoring drives is important, however 3rd down % is def in the top of stats that matter.

trendon wrote:

shel311 wrote:3rd down percentage a useless stat?

Good one.

It absolutely is.

So it's a complete coincidence that the best 2 offenses in the league at % of drives ending in a score happen to be the same 2 teams that have the best 3rd down conversion % in the league?

Yeah, it is.

And "games are won on third down" might be the craziest sentence ever.

trendon wrote:Yeah, it is.

So there's just as good a chance that they would be 31 and 32, than 1 and 2 right?

trendon wrote:Yeah, it is.

Denver's % of drives ending in scores, note the difference in 2013 and 2012 with Peyton coming over:

2013: 1st
2012: 4th
2011: 27th
2010: 21st
2009: 17th

Denver's 3rd down conversion % over the same timeframe:

2013: 2nd
2012: 3rd
2011: 30th
2010: 28th
2009: 21st

Trendon, is that just another amazing coincidence?

Look, I am not going to explain it because I've been over this before, so I will give the short version: third down statistics are meaningless because they are an intermediate stat that simply says, "you are good at running the ball and passing the ball and playing football in general."

You cannot strive to be good on third down. You can be good at football, though.

Cart before the horse.

shel311 wrote:

trendon wrote:Yeah, it is.

So there's just as good a chance that they would be 31 and 32, than 1 and 2 right?

No, because those teams suck at playing football.

nick wrote:3rd down percentage is kinda overrated. what does 3rd down matter if you get 1sts on 1st and 2nd down?

Yep. There is a propellorhead stat that is kept by some metric sites called drive conversion percentage ... and that is more important. What percentage of first downs do you get? That's a stat.

trendon wrote:Look, I am not going to explain it because I've been over this before, so I will give the short version: third down statistics are meaningless because they are an intermediate stat that simply says, "you are good at running the ball and passing the ball and playing football in general."

You cannot strive to be good on third down. You can be good at football, though.

Cart before the horse.

I win.

shel311 wrote:

trendon wrote:Look, I am not going to explain it because I've been over this before, so I will give the short version: third down statistics are meaningless because they are an intermediate stat that simply says, "you are good at running the ball and passing the ball and playing football in general."

You cannot strive to be good on third down. You can be good at football, though.

Cart before the horse.

I win.

What?!

If I think I see where you are going with this, then I am putting you in the ignore category on anything X's and O's.

trendon wrote:

nick wrote:3rd down percentage is kinda overrated. what does 3rd down matter if you get 1sts on 1st and 2nd down?

Yep. There is a propellorhead stat that is kept by some metric sites called drive conversion percentage ... and that is more important. What percentage of first downs do you get? That's a stat.

And the correlation between 3rd down conversions has nothing at all to do with drive score percentage? I can't even take you serious if you want to deny that, especially given the Denver numbers I just put up.

trendon wrote:

shel311 wrote:

trendon wrote:Look, I am not going to explain it because I've been over this before, so I will give the short version: third down statistics are meaningless because they are an intermediate stat that simply says, "you are good at running the ball and passing the ball and playing football in general."

You cannot strive to be good on third down. You can be good at football, though.

Cart before the horse.

I win.

What?!

If I think I see where you are going with this, then I am putting you in the ignore category on anything X's and O's.

As youccan see by my last post, I've already put you on ignore.

If you truly think the numbers I posted with Denver and Manning are a complete coincidence, which you said you do, you can no longer be taken seriously.

shel311 wrote:

trendon wrote:

nick wrote:3rd down percentage is kinda overrated. what does 3rd down matter if you get 1sts on 1st and 2nd down?

Yep. There is a propellorhead stat that is kept by some metric sites called drive conversion percentage ... and that is more important. What percentage of first downs do you get? That's a stat.

And the correlation between 3rd down conversions has nothing at all to do with drive score percentage? I can't even take you serious if you want to deny that, especially given the Denver numbers I just put up.

Yep, you're out. Bye.

I never said that. I said third down conversions are a useless, misleading stat. I never said third down isn't important. I fucking went over this years ago.