Week 12 College Football Thread

[Uuaww]

3 cupcake, 1 BCS schools in the SEC:
Alabama- North Texas, Georgia Southern, Kent State, (Penn State)
Arkansas- Missouri State, New Mexico, Troy, (TAMU)
Auburn- Samford, Utah State, Florida Atlantic (Clemson)
Miss State- UAB, Memphis, LA Tech. Tenn-Martin
Florida- Florida Atlantic, UAB, Furham, (Florida State)
Kentucky- Western Kentucky, Central Michigan, Jacksonville St, (Louisville)
Tennessee- Montana, Buffalo, Middle Tennessee, (Cincinnati)

7 of 12 SEC teams played 3 cupcakes plus one decent game


Next year it is 10/11 of 12. Only Vanderbilt plays 2 decent teams (Northwestern and Wake Forest). Arkansas has a lot of schedule holes to fill.

LSU plays all 4 non-con games at home, Washington is the toughest opponent.

[shel311]

3. LSU beats Arkansas but somehow manages to lose to Georgia. I don't think Oklahoma State has a chance, but Virginia Tech and Stanford do. Let's say Stanford beats Notre Dame and no PAC-12 title game; Oregon goes. LSU's loss to Georgia eliminates them; they will fall. Alabama is in, LSU is out, Georgia is obviously out despite winning the fucking conference, and Virginia Tech and Stanford have a popularity contest to see who gets in.

If we're 12-0 and lose to Georgia, and Bama gets in over LSU, count me in for a 32 team playoff.

Compared to Bama, LSU would have won the division, have a better record, won head to head, and played a tougher schedule. I think even Bama fans would say LSU was more deserving...I think lol.

[brwnbear]

Remember when the SEC was making a big deal about not being able to play in the National Championship unless you dont win your conference? Where are these people now?

[shel311]

Georgia- Kansas State
South Carolina- Baylor
Auburn- Texas
Florida- Missouri
Vanderbilt- Texas A&M
Mississippi State- Iowa State
Kentucky- Texas Tech
Tennessee- Kansas
(omitted Ole Miss and to even it up)

Other than Tennessee beating Kansas, I can't see the SEC favored in any of those games. Maybe South Carolina over Baylor.

I don't know how you got those matchups. But, doing that, you're conceding the top 3, UGA would be favored against K St likely, and with KU, that's 5 right there. Plus UF-Mizzou and Auburn-Texas are a pretty close call on who'd be favored on a neutral field.

PLUS, your matchups aren't really even fair considering you took out the SEC's top 3 teams but you have a top 3 Big 10 team.

Going just based on record(and picking who i think is better if 2 teams in the same conference have the same amount of losses) top to bottom and looking at matchups that way, I think the SEC is rather easily MIUCH better in the top 6, not just the top 3, which kills your theory.

LSU-Okie St
Bama-Oklahoma
Arkansas-Kansas St
Georgia-Baylor
South Carolina-Texas
Auburn-Iowa St
Florida-Missouri
Miss St-Texas A&M
Tennessee-Texas Tech
Vandy-Kansas

[DRiccio21]

I would love OU over Alabama

[shel311]

I would love OU over Alabama

Love, or have? Lol.


I'm basing my picks on season resume and not who I think would win each game. If it's super close like UF and Mizzou, then yea, who I think is better or would win on a neutral field.

I don't think you can make a case for OU over Bama based on this season's success.

[shel311]

Also, the PAC 12 would lose the top 5 or so as well.

I don't feel like doing it, but after the top 3-5, the Big 10 would actually matchup better against the SEC. Without putting too much thought into it, I'd imagine they're the 2nd best conference, IMO, better than PAC12 and Big 10.

[BFiVL]

3. LSU beats Arkansas but somehow manages to lose to Georgia. I don't think Oklahoma State has a chance, but Virginia Tech and Stanford do. Let's say Stanford beats Notre Dame and no PAC-12 title game; Oregon goes. LSU's loss to Georgia eliminates them; they will fall. Alabama is in, LSU is out, Georgia is obviously out despite winning the fucking conference, and Virginia Tech and Stanford have a popularity contest to see who gets in.

If we're 12-0 and lose to Georgia, and Bama gets in over LSU, count me in for a 32 team playoff.

Compared to Bama, LSU would have won the division, have a better record, won head to head, and played a tougher schedule. I think even Bama fans would say LSU was more deserving...I think lol.

Fuck you. Bama should have won the first gm. This is what you get for losing late Bama would be without a doubt 100 percent more deserving

[shel311]

3. LSU beats Arkansas but somehow manages to lose to Georgia. I don't think Oklahoma State has a chance, but Virginia Tech and Stanford do. Let's say Stanford beats Notre Dame and no PAC-12 title game; Oregon goes. LSU's loss to Georgia eliminates them; they will fall. Alabama is in, LSU is out, Georgia is obviously out despite winning the fucking conference, and Virginia Tech and Stanford have a popularity contest to see who gets in.

If we're 12-0 and lose to Georgia, and Bama gets in over LSU, count me in for a 32 team playoff.

Compared to Bama, LSU would have won the division, have a better record, won head to head, and played a tougher schedule. I think even Bama fans would say LSU was more deserving...I think lol.

Fuck you. Bama should have won the first gm. This is what you get for losing late Bama would be without a doubt 100 percent more deserving

Well, I'm throwing out a preemptive LSU should have beat ARkansas, or should have beat Georgia. Therefore, we're more deserving.

[BFiVL]

3 cupcake, 1 BCS schools in the SEC:
Alabama- North Texas, Georgia Southern, Kent State, (Penn State)
Arkansas- Missouri State, New Mexico, Troy, (TAMU)
Auburn- Samford, Utah State, Florida Atlantic (Clemson)
Miss State- UAB, Memphis, LA Tech. Tenn-Martin
Florida- Florida Atlantic, UAB, Furham, (Florida State)
Kentucky- Western Kentucky, Central Michigan, Jacksonville St, (Louisville)
Tennessee- Montana, Buffalo, Middle Tennessee, (Cincinnati)

7 of 12 SEC teams played 3 cupcakes plus one decent game


Next year it is 10/11 of 12. Only Vanderbilt plays 2 decent teams (Northwestern and Wake Forest). Arkansas has a lot of schedule holes to fill.

LSU plays all 4 non-con games at home, Washington is the toughest opponent.

Awesome. Now show me another conference that a) does not do this exact same thing b) will still play 4 ranked teams a year

[shel311]

I completely get what Biffy and Corey are saying about Arkansas not moving up even if they beat LSU, and how that'd be nuts or not fair or whatever.

But look at these schedules, look at who these teams have played and look at how they won these games, and tell me, if Arky beats LSU not in a blowout, how should LSU OR Bama be ranked behind Arkansas. It's debateable, but I dont think Arkansas's resume has much on it to really make a push for Arky over either Bama or LSU.

Copied and pasted from an LSU message board, but I gotta agree here.

Alabama 11-1 (7-1)
vs Kent State W 48-7
@ #23 Penn State W 27-11
vs North Texas W 41-0
vs #14 Arkansas W 38-14
@ #12 Florida W 38-10
vs Vanderbilt W 34-0
@ Ole Miss W 52-7
vs Tennessee W 37-6
vs #1 LSU L 9-6 OT
@ Mississippi State W 24-7
vs Georgia Southern W 45-21
@ #20 Auburn W

Arkansas 11-1 (7-1)
vs Missouri State W 51-7
vs New Mexico W 52-3
vs Troy W 38-28
@ #3 Alabama L 38-14
vs #14 Texas A&M* W 42-38
vs #15 Auburn W 38-14
@ Ole Miss W 29-24
@ Vanderbilt W 31-28
vs #9 South Carolina W 44-28
vs Tennessee W 49-7
vs Mississippi State W 44-17
@ #1 LSU W 31-27

LSU 11-1 (7-1)
vs #3 Oregon* W 40-27
vs Northwestern State W 49-3
@ #25 Mississippi State W 19-6
@ #16 West Virginia W 47-21
vs Kentucky W 35-7
vs #17 Florida W 41-11
@ Tennessee W 38-7
vs #20 Auburn W 45-10
@ #2 Alabama W 9-6 OT
vs Western Kentucky W 42-9
@ Ole Miss W 52-3
vs #8 Arkansas L 31-27



1. LSU easily has the best overall resume, winning vs Oregon, @ West Virginia, and @ Alabama. LSU dominated 10 of the 12 teams it faced. LSU should be ranked the highest of the three teams.

2. Alabama throttled Arkansas, and played a tougher schedule than the Hogs, winning @ Penn State. Alabama dominated 11 of the 12 teams it faced. Alabama should be ranked 2nd highest of the three teams.

3. Arkansas, by default, should be ranked 3rd highest of the three teams. Arkanasas dominated 5 of the 12 teams it faced.

[BFiVL]

I completely get what Biffy and Corey are saying about Arkansas not moving up even if they beat LSU, and how that'd be nuts or not fair or whatever.

But look at these schedules, look at who these teams have played and look at how they won these games, and tell me, if Arky beats LSU not in a blowout, how should LSU OR Bama be ranked behind Arkansas. It's debateable, but I dont think Arkansas's resume has much on it to really make a push for Arky over either Bama or LSU.

Copied and pasted from an LSU message board, but I gotta agree here.

Alabama 11-1 (7-1)
vs Kent State W 48-7
@ #23 Penn State W 27-11
vs North Texas W 41-0
vs #14 Arkansas W 38-14
@ #12 Florida W 38-10
vs Vanderbilt W 34-0
@ Ole Miss W 52-7
vs Tennessee W 37-6
vs #1 LSU L 9-6 OT
@ Mississippi State W 24-7
vs Georgia Southern W 45-21
@ #20 Auburn W

Arkansas 11-1 (7-1)
vs Missouri State W 51-7
vs New Mexico W 52-3
vs Troy W 38-28
@ #3 Alabama L 38-14
vs #14 Texas A&M* W 42-38
vs #15 Auburn W 38-14
@ Ole Miss W 29-24
@ Vanderbilt W 31-28
vs #9 South Carolina W 44-28
vs Tennessee W 49-7
vs Mississippi State W 44-17
@ #1 LSU W 31-27

LSU 11-1 (7-1)
vs #3 Oregon* W 40-27
vs Northwestern State W 49-3
@ #25 Mississippi State W 19-6
@ #16 West Virginia W 47-21
vs Kentucky W 35-7
vs #17 Florida W 41-11
@ Tennessee W 38-7
vs #20 Auburn W 45-10
@ #2 Alabama W 9-6 OT
vs Western Kentucky W 42-9
@ Ole Miss W 52-3
vs #8 Arkansas L 31-27



1. LSU easily has the best overall resume, winning vs Oregon, @ West Virginia, and @ Alabama. LSU dominated 10 of the 12 teams it faced. LSU should be ranked the highest of the three teams.

2. Alabama throttled Arkansas, and played a tougher schedule than the Hogs, winning @ Penn State. Alabama dominated 11 of the 12 teams it faced. Alabama should be ranked 2nd highest of the three teams.

3. Arkansas, by default, should be ranked 3rd highest of the three teams. Arkanasas dominated 5 of the 12 teams it faced.

Think of it like a playoff, you were the best team for 13 weeks but you got beat 1st round of playoffs.

[autiger730]

Remember when the SEC was making a big deal about not being able to play in the National Championship unless you dont win your conference? Where are these people now?

[shel311]

Think of it like a playoff, you were the best team for 13 weeks but you got beat 1st round of playoffs.

Except it's not the playoffs lol.

There's no reason why LSU's game against Arkansas should be thought of as a playoff, but LSU's Bama or Bama over LSU not as a playoff.

If that's the case, we should have a playoff.

[shel311]

Remember when the SEC was making a big deal about not being able to play in the National Championship unless you dont win your conference? Where are these people now?

For the record, I've never been that person. I couldn't care less if you win your conference or not. All I care is that the best 2 teams, based on resumes and the 12 or 13 games they played play in the title game.

Whether it's a team that didn't win it's conference, or 2 teams that didn't win its conference, doesn't matter IMO.

[DRiccio21]

I would love OU over Alabama

Love, or have? Lol.


I'm basing my picks on season resume and not who I think would win each game. If it's super close like UF and Mizzou, then yea, who I think is better or would win on a neutral field.

I don't think you can make a case for OU over Bama based on this season's success.

i don't even know what you guys are talking about... haven't read a word of the argument

just saying i would love OU if they ever played.

[shel311]

Too much BCS talk, broke the boards.

[BFiVL]

Think of it like a playoff, you were the best team for 13 weeks but you got beat 1st round of playoffs.

Except it's not the playoffs lol.

There's no reason why LSU's game against Arkansas should be thought of as a playoff, but LSU's Bama or Bama over LSU not as a playoff.

If that's the case, we should have a playoff.

What would be a bigger shit storm for the voters? Ark winning and staying behind LSU and Bama , Winning and jumping LSU with Ark at 1 Bama still at 2 and LSU at 3, Bama 1,Ark 2, LSU 3 or Ark 1, LSU 2, Bama 3? All are ugly, but that is the system and thats what I think happens IF ark wins. The 2 least likely IMO are staying put and Ark 1,Lsu2,Bama3. I dont see pollsters doing these 2. I think it will be Bama 1, Ark 2, LSU 3 only because LSU lost late in the season with ARK losing in week 4 and Bama finishing with 3 straight wins ( if Bama beats AU and I dont think for a minute that that game is ever a gimmie)

[nick]

how do people argue with SHel? it seems like a waste of breath.

If LSU loses to Ark, they will be 3rd. Logic doesnt exist in BCS world. When TTU BARELY beat Texas, they dropped Texas to third amongst the 3, and OU got in over TTU. ALabama is gonna go to 1, Ark 2, LSU 3 cause the most recent loss, and Bama > Arkansas.

Sucks but thats bcs logic which you defend everyday

[Cnasty]

Agree with Biffy.

It would be a shamockery for a team to beat the #1 team in the land and not move a single spot in the polls and no way in the hell of bcs would that happen. In my opinion of course.

And like I said, if it does we need a playoff more than I thought.

We are wasting finger strokes though.

Lsu beats Arkansas by at least 10
Bama destroys auburn
Lsu beats georgia by 14+

We get a rematch down in the super dome for a title.

Done.