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shel311 wrote:I should have said it just isn't necessary

It isnt.

shel311 wrote:

Weasel wrote:

shel311 wrote:3. What the heck is this ISO average? I see it on OOTP, but never looked it up so I ignore it.

Isolated Power or ISO is a sabermetrics baseball statistic which aims to measure a batter's raw power. The formula is slugging percentage minus batting average. The final result measures how many extra bases a player averages per at bat. A player who hits only singles would thus have an ISO of 0. The maximum ISO is 3.000, and could only be attained by hitting a home run in every at-bat. Power hitters ordinarily have an ISO between .240 and .300.

I don't get the relevance of this ISO stat, it's just not clicking for me.

isolated power.

That clears it up, thanks.

how is iso not relevant? cause you dont want it to be?

wanna see a great year, check out Justin Upton. dudes a machine and can actually play defense. good to see the tools finally coming to fruition.

32 of Cabrera's 47 hits have been singles.. thats super impressive from a power hitter

last yr

21.5% hits = Home Runs
0% = Triples
23.4 % = Doubles
59% = Singles

this yr

12.8% hits = Home Runs
2% = Triples
17% = Doubles
68% = Singles

1 out of 5 hits last yr were home runs compared to 1 out of 10 this yr. 4 out of 10 hits were XBH last yr compared to 3/10 this year.

but you could just look at his ISO numbers to see this.

nick wrote:32 of Cabrera's 47 hits have been singles.. thats super impressive from a power hitter

last yr

21.5% hits = Home Runs
0% = Triples
23.4 % = Doubles
59% = Singles

this yr

12.8% hits = Home Runs
2% = Triples
17% = Doubles
68% = Singles

1 out of 5 hits last yr were home runs compared to 1 out of 10 this yr. 4 out of 10 hits were XBH last yr compared to 3/10 this year.

but you could just look at his ISO numbers to see this.

Nick, seriously man, you're reaching. like stupidly.

the guy won the fucking triple crown last year. yeah, he's WAY overrated

youre an idiot AJ. at what point did I say last year wasnt impressive? im comparing stats to people who think THIS year is impressive. its not. its very high avg with no power.. FROM MIGUEL CABRERA.

Furthermore, 2 of the 3 triple crown stats are overrated (Avg to OBP and Rbi is directly correlated to the people on base before you which you have no control over) and Mike Trout was more deserving of the MVP anyways but lost due to this triple crown BS.

But ya, keep talking AJ.

i'm on team nick here

nick wrote:youre an idiot AJ. at what point did I say last year wasnt impressive? im comparing stats to people who think THIS year is impressive. its not. its very high avg with no power.. FROM MIGUEL CABRERA.

Furthermore, 2 of the 3 triple crown stats are overrated (Avg to OBP and Rbi is directly correlated to the people on base before you which you have no control over) and Mike Trout was more deserving of the MVP anyways but lost due to this triple crown BS.

But ya, keep talking AJ.

sample size assholes. were people talking about how great his year was after 5 weeks last year?

whether the triple crown categories are over rated or not is irrelevant. Youre saying they are overrated because your guy (trout in this case) didnt win them. He had just as much chance to win AVE....an 'overrated' stat


If you want to compare last year to this year, compare his 1st 5 weeks this year to 1st 5 weeks last

then maybe you can tell us how "oh yeah...everyone is afraid of Lester, Buchholz, dempster, and whoever..."

what the fuck are you talking about? lol. hes hitting higher avg with worse power numbers. so you think his power numbers will increase and his avg will dip? then hes having a normal season and thats not impressive its expected. Unless you think he'll suddenly gain power and keep his avg in tact? which lol no.

as for your boston comments, nothing im gonna say will change your thinking of them theyre your fav team, but if you think theyll continue their 103 win pace you are LOL day dreaming. Dont let the Boston regression hurt too much

nick wrote:what the fuck are you talking about? lol. hes hitting higher avg with worse power numbers. so you think his power numbers will increase and his avg will dip? then hes having a normal season and thats not impressive its expected. Unless you think he'll suddenly gain power and keep his avg in tact? which lol no.

as for your boston comments, nothing im gonna say will change your thinking of them theyre your fav team, but if you think theyll continue their 103 win pace you are LOL day dreaming. Dont let the Boston regression hurt too much

You think them being my favorite team has helped them get out to a 21-12 record? Even if they regress they'll be 10 games better than the Jays. You know the team you thought would run away with the East after getting a bunch of players of a seperate last place team.

lets combine last place teams then I'm sure we'll be gooooood!!!!!

I thought we were talking facts here.

I never said Cabrera was having a "better" year. I couldnt begin to tell you as he isnt on any of my fantasy teams.

nick wrote:how is iso not relevant? cause you dont want it to be?

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nick wrote:32 of Cabrera's 47 hits have been singles.. thats super impressive from a power hitter

last yr

21.5% hits = Home Runs
0% = Triples
23.4 % = Doubles
59% = Singles

this yr

12.8% hits = Home Runs
2% = Triples
17% = Doubles
68% = Singles

1 out of 5 hits last yr were home runs compared to 1 out of 10 this yr. 4 out of 10 hits were XBH last yr compared to 3/10 this year.

but you could just look at his ISO numbers to see this.

Less power doesn't necessarily mean less good.

nick wrote:youre an idiot AJ. at what point did I say last year wasnt impressive? im comparing stats to people who think THIS year is impressive. its not.

.465 OBP and .610 SLG%, Nick says MEH!!

graphed Cabreras career. his doubles are declining and his hrs fluxuate lol.



if you look at the graph, hes closest to his 7th yr (2009 with tigers) where he finished .324/.396/.547 .. with 34 hrs and 34 doubles. .. but his singles are much higher and so im gonna project he finishes

if fielder doesnt hit a HR, he hits a single lol. his triples/doubles are the same and his HR/Single go like a mirror.. kinda weird

nick wrote:graphed Cabreras career. his doubles are declining and his hrs fluxuate lol.

His doubles "declined" 6 years ago too.

I'll go ahead and claim my "Worst Pickup" of the Season award

Allen Webster: 1.2 IP / 6 H / 7 ER / 3 BBs

i just grabbed Drew Smyly .. hoping he becomes a starter soon

Slugging shows how many total bases a hitter gets per AB.

ISO power shows how often they get those extra bases per AB.

They give different info despite both dealing with total bases/extra bases.

DRWebs wrote:I'll go ahead and claim my "Worst Pickup" of the Season award

Allen Webster: 1.2 IP / 6 H / 7 ER / 3 BBs

It's the bottom of the 2nd and it's 11-6 LOL