NDL Forum

It is at the stage now where we need some violence to break out.

trendon wrote:It is at the stage now where we need some violence to break out.

i posted 3 years ago on these boards that this riots would happen all over the US streets.

so far we're at protests... the riot geer will come soon, no doubt.

And 80% will have no idea why they are burning cars.

trendon wrote:It is at the stage now where we need some violence to break out.

ReignOnU wrote: If you are doing the right things on a day to day basis, this is NOT a legit concern.

Ummm, I beg to differ. My mom's Bank has been bought. After March she is not guaranteed a job. I'm willing to bet there are a good majority of unemployed Americans that would be very happy to show you this statement is very wrong.

Shiftdnb wrote:

ReignOnU wrote: If you are doing the right things on a day to day basis, this is NOT a legit concern.

Ummm, I beg to differ. My mom's Bank has been bought. After March she is not guaranteed a job. I'm willing to bet there are a good majority of unemployed Americans that would be very happy to show you this statement is very wrong.

Trust me, you don't want to go down this road using personal examples, because it gets very ugly and people take this stuff VERY personally.

Here's the short answer... she has 5 months to figure it out. Failure to do so it pure incompetence.

Shiftdnb wrote:What really drives me crazy is a lot of people on the conservative side scream "I want my America back!" When in America's history do you want to go back to?

Ah yes, Reaganomics....the beginning of the massive debt coincides with the massive drop in the tax rate. What a shock.

My favorite conservative argument is that people don't want to pay taxes because they don't want to pay for "social programs". Too bad the "social programs" don't compare jack to the DEFENSE budget, which is funny since many conservatives were all for us going to war this past decade. Wonder how much money we would save if we stopped throwing billions of dollars into the cesspools that are NATO and the United Nations?

ReignOnU wrote:

Shiftdnb wrote:

ReignOnU wrote: If you are doing the right things on a day to day basis, this is NOT a legit concern.

Ummm, I beg to differ. My mom's Bank has been bought. After March she is not guaranteed a job. I'm willing to bet there are a good majority of unemployed Americans that would be very happy to show you this statement is very wrong.

Trust me, you don't want to go down this road using personal examples, because it gets very ugly and people take this stuff VERY personally.

Here's the short answer... she has 5 months to figure it out. Failure to do so it pure incompetence.

That's not true in the least bit, Reign. I live in a city with over 10% unemployment thanks to major layoffs at both Ford and UPS. I know people with Masters' degrees who end up at McDonalds. It's easy to say "oh, failure to do so is pure incompetence" when you're fighting with tens of thousands of other people over a few jobs here and there. It's even easier to say when you haven't gone through it in this current economic climate like I have (and I'm sure others have as well). I got lucky and found a great job thanks to a friend who went to bat for me and personally made them bring me in. Others aren't so lucky.

ReignOnU wrote:

Shiftdnb wrote:

ReignOnU wrote: If you are doing the right things on a day to day basis, this is NOT a legit concern.

Ummm, I beg to differ. My mom's Bank has been bought. After March she is not guaranteed a job. I'm willing to bet there are a good majority of unemployed Americans that would be very happy to show you this statement is very wrong.

Trust me, you don't want to go down this road using personal examples, because it gets very ugly and people take this stuff VERY personally.

Here's the short answer... she has 5 months to figure it out. Failure to do so it pure incompetence.

So the fact that she live in Florida where there is a unemployement rate of 10% just adds to her incompetence right?

Damn it feels good to be Canadian (8)

jsence2 wrote:

ReignOnU wrote:

Shiftdnb wrote:

ReignOnU wrote: If you are doing the right things on a day to day basis, this is NOT a legit concern.

Ummm, I beg to differ. My mom's Bank has been bought. After March she is not guaranteed a job. I'm willing to bet there are a good majority of unemployed Americans that would be very happy to show you this statement is very wrong.

Trust me, you don't want to go down this road using personal examples, because it gets very ugly and people take this stuff VERY personally.

Here's the short answer... she has 5 months to figure it out. Failure to do so it pure incompetence.

That's not true in the least bit, Reign. I live in a city with over 10% unemployment thanks to major layoffs at both Ford and UPS. I know people with Masters' degrees who end up at McDonalds. It's easy to say "oh, failure to do so is pure incompetence" when you're fighting with tens of thousands of other people over a few jobs here and there. It's even easier to say when you haven't gone through it in this current economic climate like I have (and I'm sure others have as well). I got lucky and found a great job thanks to a friend who went to bat for me and personally made them bring me in. Others aren't so lucky.

If you are not doing the right things on a day to day basis, you will have a problem. I can not make it any more clear than that.

Shiftdnb wrote:

ReignOnU wrote:

Shiftdnb wrote:

ReignOnU wrote: If you are doing the right things on a day to day basis, this is NOT a legit concern.

Ummm, I beg to differ. My mom's Bank has been bought. After March she is not guaranteed a job. I'm willing to bet there are a good majority of unemployed Americans that would be very happy to show you this statement is very wrong.

Trust me, you don't want to go down this road using personal examples, because it gets very ugly and people take this stuff VERY personally.

Here's the short answer... she has 5 months to figure it out. Failure to do so it pure incompetence.

So the fact that she live in Florida where there is a unemployement rate of 10% just adds to her incompetence right?

No, her lack of preparation would be the contributing factor.

Shift, you want to get real crazy? Blame the fucking schools that we have all been educated in; from kindergarten to university. You want to spend more time teaching about the Byzantine Empire than you do financial studies, this is what you get; a nation of lazy assholes who would rather kick and scream on an internet forum because they are too stupid and lazy to get involved. If I were a politician or a business owner with some sway, I would be doing exactly what these guys are: taking advantage. Nobody is going to call me on it? LOL, see ya in Cabo!

I've said this countless times and I keep getting rebuked but the more I see and the more I read, the more strongly I feel about it. The greatest conspiracy to ever hit this nation is the educational system, namely "higher" education. It is rearing its ugly head in this one.

BTW, save your unemployment rate sob stories for someone else... if you look under my name you'll see I'm located in Dayton, OH (13%+). Our city routinely wins the award for running off big businesses.

jsence2 wrote:

ReignOnU wrote:

Shiftdnb wrote:

ReignOnU wrote: If you are doing the right things on a day to day basis, this is NOT a legit concern.

Ummm, I beg to differ. My mom's Bank has been bought. After March she is not guaranteed a job. I'm willing to bet there are a good majority of unemployed Americans that would be very happy to show you this statement is very wrong.

Trust me, you don't want to go down this road using personal examples, because it gets very ugly and people take this stuff VERY personally.

Here's the short answer... she has 5 months to figure it out. Failure to do so it pure incompetence.

That's not true in the least bit, Reign. I live in a city with over 10% unemployment thanks to major layoffs at both Ford and UPS. I know people with Masters' degrees who end up at McDonalds. It's easy to say "oh, failure to do so is pure incompetence" when you're fighting with tens of thousands of other people over a few jobs here and there. It's even easier to say when you haven't gone through it in this current economic climate like I have (and I'm sure others have as well). I got lucky and found a great job thanks to a friend who went to bat for me and personally made them bring me in. Others aren't so lucky.

so move... make it work.

what the fuck. i make fun of trendon for his opinion of what being a man is, but this is, in my opinion, the definition of being a man. do what you have to do to support you and yours. my grandfather, along with most of our immigrant grandparents, would laugh in our faces if they heard what we were complaining about.

i just don't get in the constitution or anywhere that it says we're enitled to a job, to money or to nice things.

why the fuck do people just think they 'deserve' these things. you EARN what you get.

this is one reason i respect trendon... he doesn't make excuses... he goes for his... one bad idea after the next. doesn't want handouts, doesn't want people feelilng bad for him... he is trying to make something of himself.

i can promise you one thing... barring any type of phyisical injury or mental injury, i will always be able to get by and be successful. whether we have a recession, depression or an apocolypse.

my dad has been unemployed for 20 years. if he didn't have my brother and I he'd be sucking off the system too. my uncle, the same thing. they want hand outs... they don't want to work. they think 'we got lucky' and 'had opportunities they didn't have'. its all fucking bullshit. they are sheep, not shephards.

you've heard my story, now realize i pay more in taxes than all of my friends and their families combined. you want me to pay more? sure... thats fine, no issue. but don't be pissed when i fire one of my assistants and add to the unemployment list to cover that bump in taxes.

think i sound insensitive? deal with it, its fucking life. make what you want of it.

ReignOnU wrote:BTW, save your unemployment rate sob stories for someone else... if you look under my name you'll see I'm located in Dayton, OH (13%+). Our city routinely wins the award for running off big businesses.

Do some quick match for me.....which do you think will be a harder place to find work--a city of 141,000/metro of 800,000 with 13% unemployment, or a city of over 450,000/metro of over 1,300,000 with 10.5% unemployment?

Your math problem doesn't have the listing of available jobs. Unemployment isn't measured by the # of jobs unfilled, it's measured by the # of people that are unemployed.

jsence2 wrote:

ReignOnU wrote:BTW, save your unemployment rate sob stories for someone else... if you look under my name you'll see I'm located in Dayton, OH (13%+). Our city routinely wins the award for running off big businesses.

Do some quick match for me.....which do you think will be a harder place to find work--a city of 141,000/metro of 800,000 with 13% unemployment, or a city of over 450,000/metro of over 1,300,000 with 10.5% unemployment?

They are equal if you have done nothing to make yourself the least bit employable.

jsence2 wrote:
My favorite conservative argument is that people don't want to pay taxes because they don't want to pay for "social programs". Too bad the "social programs" don't compare jack to the DEFENSE budget, which is funny since many conservatives were all for us going to war this past decade. Wonder how much money we would save if we stopped throwing billions of dollars into the cesspools that are NATO and the United Nations?

Take a look back to the end of 2002 when the Iraq war talk started and you will see that both conservatives and liberals both voted to go to war with Iraq.

In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

The financial crisis that we are in right now, in my opinion so Dave correct me if I am wrong, is due to the tax benefits that the Clinton administration gave to lenders for giving out home loans (variable interest rates) to people that couldn't afford them once the interest rate corrected itself 5 years down the line. Also, it doesn't help that we are in a decade long war.

The DEFENSE budget should be huge, you do not want these idiots fighting in your back yard. I don't want my family to grow up in a war torn nation, and it takes money to move our fight to them rather than them bringing it to us.

This doesn't include under the table work, starting your own business or moving to a better location. Along similar lines of Dave's comment... my deceased grandfather and father would beat the hell out of me if I came to them whining about a situation like this.