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DRiccio21 wrote:

nick wrote:jesus christ. everytime i come on here after a night of energy drinks and marijuana, i see ppl bitching and crying. shut the fuck up. simple as that. play your games and have fun. if you play like a dick, then you deserve to get booted. i got a 80% once, u know what i did? i changed my game up. my marks have gone from 80 to 92 to 92, and this year should be 98-100%. why? cause i dont care about winning and more having fun.

The people coming in with large data and shit are clearly a lil worried about their game play.

this is the first time i've EVER agreed with anything Nick has said.

Bravo sir, Bravo

that's bullshit. im sure uve agreed with shit before. hater.

just accept the compliment douchebag

If you want variety amongst scores(which im assuming is the point) you dont add a zero to the equation.

-You add more scores(IE counting all the games)
and/or
-You retool the average score...So people can score both above and below the average..

Right now the score for average play is 5 and above average play a 5..makes no sense..This wont bring any different scores IMO. If you want to fix the system it should look like this:
0/1-Deserves the boot
2-Some cheese play and deserves probation in that category- does a couple questionable things.
3-Totatally average
4-Above average
5-Exceptional experience
Would reward for close games and the use of mic...Change the probation line to 50%. If you want the coach reports to be a factor esp in draft position this is a much better system. It is clear cut-That is most of the problem with the current system.

Uuaww wrote:I kinda feel like a dick now. No one ever told me that scores of 4 are borderline awful. You say 80% and lower get punished? If I would have known that, I would have given way more all 5s, because I think I gave a few players all 4s and they weren't borderline being removed form the league, just did a few things that weren't in the spirit of the game.

I hear you man, but your score is just 1 score.

Now imagine, that person averaged that over 12 games. Basically that means, every owner gave him 4s on average and thought he did a "few things that weren't in the spirit of the game."

I think that would warrant a probation, IMO.

Steamrollr22 wrote:Right now the score for average play is 5 and above average play a 5..makes no sense..This wont bring any different scores IMO.

i'm not following here.

If someone plays "average" and maybe does a couple of questionable things, they're not getting a 5 from me, so I'm not sure how that equals the same as playing sim and getting 5s.


I'm really not following how this is so questionable to some people. Wow.

A couple of questionable things is average?
I edited it for you bro..
Average for me is follows the rules...if they dont you should dock them.IMO..

Steamrollr22 wrote:A couple of questionable things is average?

Average for me is follows the rules...if they dont you should dock them.IMO..

If you do a couple of questionable things against everyone on yours chedule for 12 games, and get averages of 4s, or an 80%, I'd say that's pretty average.



And I don't follow you saying "averaging for me is following the rules"

If someone follows the rules, how is that not perfect gameplay?

From the changes made ...Seems like the "average" score is much higher than 80 otherwise everyone would be on probation or damn close to it.

If average for you is "a couple of questionable things" you should be able to score that way. Just saying it needs to be clear cut.. See above post..that way eliminates confusion.

In the current system your average player would get 4's. And deserve to be put on probation In your opinion. Just doesnt seem right.

I'm down for the changes I just wanted to spark a little conversation in regards to straight 4's may put you on probation. Lets just say an owner throws in a PA pass on 3rd and 9, I'm giving a 4 especially if the guy doesnt run enough on long 3rd down situations to warrant a PA pass. Now he plays a little too much BnR, I'm giving a 4....and so on, one thing per rating in the coaches report. Nobody tells this person after the game and now because of 5 things that he didnt know he was doing wrong he could be placed on probation.

I know when I first started back in season 6 I was doing a couple of things I didnt know that I needed to work on till after the season. And in the coaches report I was only given 3 or 4 comments in the final NDL point total that was emailed out. I worked on those 3 or 4 things that was brought up and then the next season I changed those things and played the rest of the game the same way because I thought I was doing okay besides the things I read about. Then the next email came out with the NDL points and I found out that there were about 3 or 4 more things I needed to work on, since then I've been fine.

My point is with this is that if we as owners thats been around a while is that if we give 4's we need to let the other coach know, either by you or through a Conference Commish, because they will not know till its too late to fix their play style.

Also, on a somewhat side note....are all the comments that are sent in on the coaches report added to the final NDL point total email? If not, have the powers to be thought about adding them all just so everyone can get a more clear picture of their play style?

shel311 wrote:

packsyD22 wrote:And I agree with you Kyshark, no idea when someone is doing guess run....cause I have asked guys after the game if they did cause it appeared their d line blew my ass up but they always denied it.

Go to the highlights and look at a replay after the game.

Not to sound like an ass, but how do you read defenses if you haven't seen this?

Basically the ENTIRE front 7 make a beeline either right up the middle, to the left, or to the right. I know you're a good passer so you're out there reading defenses well, so you'd know it if it happened to you. I'm 99% sure you haven't seen it.

LOL first of all do not ever compare video game football to real football. I just do not play enough to tell the difference, but your prob right no one has ever really b lined through, except for one instance I am pretty sure someone did it but I will not go there.

Only time I dock people really is if they break a rule in the rules. What else should they be getting docked for? If i keep doing the same kinds of things on defense and you exploit my weaknesses then do it all game, how can I dock somsone for this. For example, people in this league use their FS to make tackles in the backfield constantly, so please do not bitch if I run several PA passes. Its a give and take thing. Unfortunately people will always bitch about things that do not go there way, which is why I always prob give good scores cause I dont have many complaints about anyone I play, just happy to be here really.

I meant reading defenses with your QB on the video game, not real life.

I think the real issues here should be probation. They should be known who is on them, and they should be not allowed for post season play! make probation more realistic and shit... dock them draft points, whatevs, just make the league more realistic.

I'm all for what steam is throwing out there.

1 - You're a cheesedick... you should be booted.
2 - You've got some suspect game play / tendencies... look into them.
3 - You play straight.

This takes the variation out of it.

If I treated the NDL like a treat my employee's reviews, no one would get all 5s. Everyone has some room for improvement somewhere. And if we all treated it as such, there'd be a helluva lot of us on probation.

thats basically the system we have now...why there are 0,1,2 IDK.. just to say someone is a certain level of cheesedick i guess. Our system doesnt reward for people that are supersim or even really fun to play...

I really like the 1-5 system but with 3 as the average..Guys should be able to score above average and be rewarded for that. Things like used a mic had a great time, was killing me but didnt rub it in, great fun close games, etc.etc should be rewarded.

Steamrollr22 wrote:Our system doesnt reward for people that are supersim or even really fun to play...

Things like used a mic had a great time, was killing me but didnt rub it in, great fun close games, etc.etc should be rewarded.

I guess I'm really missing something because I just don't see how this is true.

I've had something like 98% or higher on my reports for however many seasons in a row now, so i think I'm being rewarded properly for playing super sim and what not.

shel311 wrote:

Steamrollr22 wrote:Our system doesnt reward for people that are supersim or even really fun to play...

Things like used a mic had a great time, was killing me but didnt rub it in, great fun close games, etc.etc should be rewarded.

I guess I'm really missing something because I just don't see how this is true.

I've had something like 98% or higher on my reports for however many seasons in a row now, so i think I'm being rewarded properly for playing super sim and what not.

nope. thats cause ure NDL FLORIDA OHHHH BITCH

I would just like to make a comment if I could.

I am fairly new here although I have played a few seasons and a half at this point and honestly if I feel I just played a good game against a guy he gets the 5(Played straight) across the board from me and honestly I do not remember a time when I have given a guy less to be honest.So plain and simple if I enjoyed a straight clean game IMO then u gets 5's.Doesn't mean that u are exceptional and head and shoulders straight it just means like I said,I enjoyed the game and felt it was played within the rules and nothing needs crying about!! Honestly if the system was rated as
1.Straight
2.Few Things need worked on.
3. Cheese
I think I could categorically rate someone on that!

I mean if u play like an ass u gets rated like an ass.If u play the game the right way then u gets rated based on that hands down.It's all about fun for me and if you do some BS that takes the fun out of the game then hey I may rate u less but again I have yet to rn into that from anyone I have played in here if memory serves me correctly.

All that gets me to my last point. From what I can tell I don't know what my score is yet and I assume and think I rember that it comes when the points come out at the end of the season along with a few comments I think???Also I believe there is a mid season report if u seek your conf. commish and ask him??? Is that right? With that said I don't think a guy should make it halfway through the season or all the way through the season and not know what his ratings are like.I mean I could have gotten all fours everytime but I don't know it and wont find out till the end of the season.IF I were borderline and getting low scores I wanna know so I can adjust my game so I don't get any worse or end up on probation if u know what I mean.So what about Bi-Weekly e-mails on YOUR scores?Is this already in place that a chessy/borderline player is contacted and warned or ??

Frankie7512 wrote:Also I believe there is a mid season report if u seek your conf. commish and ask him??? Is that right?

That is correct.

Along with being able to IM or PM your opponent to ask for pointers on how your gameplay was, I think that one can get a good idea of how they are doing.

completely agree, steam.

5 is both above average and average because 4's are probation-worthy and then you still have 3, 2, or 1 (and now 0).

100% on coach reports is not realistic and yet at the same time that's the standard for each category so that is indeed a problem.