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jsence2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:09 am

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:58 am

jsence2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:44 am

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:32 am

jsence2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:16 am

This, this, a thousand times this. If you changed "Trump supporters" to "antifa and BLM", oh boy how the tune would change...

Trump when unarmed people protested against racism and police brutality: "When the looting starts, the shooting starts"

Trump when armed protesters storm the Capitol w the VP and the entire Congress inside: "We love you"

I'll play...

If this was a Trump win and ANTIFA/BLM was "protesting" that vote wouldn't have happened. It would have been burned down and there would have been far more violence.

These next 2 lines are exactly the kind of non-sense writing that drives people away from the media. You're taking the context of looting/shooting way out of line to make it sound like he justified and encouraged it. Then you follow it up with some outlandish crap... you might as well have said "The blood-thristy mob, dressed in tribal war gear, launched a savage attack up on the Capital. With guns drawn, they seized possession of the building, as they stalked their prey through the halls, eager to hunt them down and take their lives." GTFO with that shit.

You say that... And then follow it up by saying I'm saying outlandish crap. This is going nowhere, so I will move on.

I've got months and multiple burned cities to support my statement. You got... umm... yeah, moving on is the right call here.

I've got first hand knowledge and experience of the antagonistic tactics of the police against peaceful protestors which led to violence. I've been attacked with tear gas while peacefully marching down a street. Do you forget where I live?!

I'm moving on because I have no desire to expend the energy to fight with someone who sides with the literal Nazis, fascists, anti-Semites, and qanon fucksticks who stormed our nation's Capitol in an attempt to subvert a democratic election, while telling me how bad "anteefuh" is and decrying someone stealing some stuff from Target. Have a good night.

You specifically brought up ANTIFA/BLM, not me. I just played along. You suggested the idea that ANTIFA/BLM would burn down the Capitol was some how as outlandish as the exaggerated statement. All I did was point to what actually happened. Everything I've stated is on tape. When there's a months of history of it actually happening, it's far from outlandish.

It took you all of 3-4 posts to try to lump me into a group with Nazis, fascists, anti-Semites and qanon fucksticks. Then you tried to use some bizarre "anteefuh" pronunciation, which I'm assuming was an attempt to insinuate a lack of intelligence, likely tied to my race.

Tell me more about divisiveness please...

cougnix wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:12 am Anyone that compares the the protests of yesterday to the protests of the summer and tries to downplay yesterday in comparison obviously shows the proof of white privilege . Protests against racial injustice that is met with force and a president that calls them "thugs" is not the same as protests about false claims of voter fraud that is met with little resistance and is condoned by that same president shows the white privilege.

But I am positive that it's the news media that is skewing all the events of yesterday.

Did someone say they are equal? I've already clarified my stance on this. Oh wait, is this one of those things where I denounce it, but then I get asked to denounce it again and when I say I already denounced and it and quote the denouncing, you tell me that I didn't denounce it and demand another denouncing? I, Reign, of the former NDL digital universe and formerly of the digital OOTP universe, do DENOUNCE the "storming" of the Capitol by "armed" protestors. We good now?

I want to be really clear on your stance on this last sentence... you do NOT believe that the media exaggerated the events that took place at the Capitol, to make them seem worse than they were?

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:47 am And you said, "I have no desire to expend the energy to fight with someone who sides with the literal Nazis, fascists, anti-Semites, and qanon fucksticks who stormed our nation's capital." Reign and I have only spoken about the hypocrisy of the outcry here but not the same outcry for what happened during the summer by the media. Both instances were done by criminals and should be locked up. But here in Omaha, all the crime that took place during the riots, breaking into buildings and destruction of property, will not be brought up on charges the DA said. Could you imagine the outcry if the AG said they won't press charges for people that stormed (not looted or burned down) the capital. That is the hypocrisy that I am talking about. The left wants it one way for them but want it completely different when its on the other side, in the name of white privilege and social justice

This is where we are in society. "If you don't agree with me, then you're a Nazi, racist, etc" or "you're showing your white privilege!"

Of course, while going off of the rails and saying this, they'll also tell us how evil/bad the other side is. 1 more time, because it's the theme of the night apparently... "Rules for thee, but not for me!"
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You know what bothers me when I reply to this... being dead serious here...
1.) I have no idea how you get from being able to have a rational conversation with someone, to being unhinged and irrational within a few exchanges, all within the course of a few years.
2.) I'm also not surprised to see it, much like I wasn't surprised to see it last time someone went crazy on here. The fact that I'm numb to it, bothers me because that means that it's expected and common.

I can admit that I'll be a smarmy/smug asshole, but I'm going to keep it above the belt, unless you really cross a line. The fact that Jason popped that off within just a few posts (and with his logic behind it being off-base at that), is exactly what I've been going on about regarding social media for a long time. (Ironically, he even threw it out as an issue in his rebuttal to me) This is much bigger than Trump.

I believe in a pretty simple standard... if I wouldn't say it to your face, 1:1, I won't type it here. That's why I don't go personal until someone really crosses a point. But I'm also a straight-shooter in person... if I think you're being an idiot, I'll tell you you're being an idiot.

I also think one of the dumbest things you can do is ignore someone simply because you don't agree with them (politics/or otherwise). Outside of Nick (again, not joking), I'll read the full posts from everyone, whether I agree with you or not. Because there's always a chance, no matter how small, that I may change my mind, have my eyes opened to a different POV or just learn something. When you cut out the voices you don't agree with, you only surround yourself in a echo chamber of things you want to hear. You lose perspective on things. You limit your ability to grow. You fall more inline with what is in your echo chamber.

Now imagine if there were companies out there that were building that echo chamber for you, dictating who you can hear, watch, or what you read?

Hmm... maybe I've answered #1 above.

Dem's say they will hold a vote mid next week on impeachment. Aren't there supposed to be a trial before you vote for impeachment to give the accused a chance to defend themselves?

Amazing that we can't all agree that rioters of 2 days ago and rioters from all summer long are all equally scum of the earth.


But ya know, gotta stick to those party lines.

shel311 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:33 am Amazing that we can't all agree that protestors/rioters of 2 days ago and protestors/rioters from all summer long are all equally scum of the earth.


But ya know, gotta stick to those party lines.

I'm not sticking to those party lines. I've said they should have the book thrown at them.

Facebook suspends Trumps account indefinitely. This should scare people that if you don't toe the line of the elites you can be silenced

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 am Facebook suspends Trumps account indefinitely. This should scare people that if you don't toe the line of the elites you can be silenced

Figured you guys would love that kind of stuff. Don't private businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone if they want to? The BS like the baker refusing to serve a gay person because they don't agree with their life choices....

Crowes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:05 am

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 am Facebook suspends Trumps account indefinitely. This should scare people that if you don't toe the line of the elites you can be silenced

Figured you guys would love that kind of stuff. Don't private businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone if they want to? The BS like the baker refusing to serve a gay person because they don't agree with their life choices....

I do agree that businesses should be able to refuse service to anyone. But if you are okay with only hearing opinions that mirror yours then stay in that "echo chamber" (as Reign called it). It's nothing more than another example of cancelling someone that "they" don't agree with.

shel311 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:33 am Amazing that we can't all agree that rioters of 2 days ago and rioters from all summer long are all equally scum of the earth.


But ya know, gotta stick to those party lines.

Whew, have to break w/you on this one.

I don't lump all protestors into the same group. There's levels to it and certainly many of the protestors this week and earlier this year are not scum of the earth. Poor decision to go near a mob that's looting and burning down buildings, while trying to support racial inequality? Certainly. Scum of the earth? No. Poor decision to go to Washington when tensions are at epic proportions, while trying to support your political choice or patriotism? Certainly? Scum of the earth? No.

Even those that entered an area unlawfully, in either case, I'm not going to classify as scum. Now... when you talk about burning down buildings of small business owners in your own city, locking officers in a PD and trying to light it on fire, etc... that's scum.

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 am Facebook suspends Trumps account indefinitely. This should scare people that if you don't toe the line of the elites you can be silenced

Well most of us don't spew lies that effect the lives of millions of people, so there's that.

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:54 am

shel311 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:33 am Amazing that we can't all agree that rioters of 2 days ago and rioters from all summer long are all equally scum of the earth.


But ya know, gotta stick to those party lines.

Whew, have to break w/you on this one.

I don't lump all protestors into the same group. There's levels to it and certainly many of the protestors this week and earlier this year are not scum of the earth. Poor decision to go near a mob that's looting and burning down buildings, while trying to support racial inequality? Certainly. Scum of the earth? No. Poor decision to go to Washington when tensions are at epic proportions, while trying to support your political choice or patriotism? Certainly? Scum of the earth? No.

Even those that entered an area unlawfully, in either case, I'm not going to classify as scum. Now... when you talk about burning down buildings of small business owners in your own city, locking officers in a PD and trying to light it on fire, etc... that's scum.

They aren't scum, but all protestors should've been treated the same way.

Back in 2016 when Antifa wrecked havoc in San Jose at a Trump rally and the left deemed it ok because it was against Trump (there are likely earlier instances, even of right wing violence, but this is the earliest tangible instance I could call to mind at 8:27 AM).

Once that was deemed ok, it essentially set us on the path

Ry wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:03 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 am Facebook suspends Trumps account indefinitely. This should scare people that if you don't toe the line of the elites you can be silenced

Well most of us don't spew lies that effect the lives of millions of people, so there's that.

So lies are against the 1st amendment? Should CNN and Adam Schiff be censored for lying about Trump being a Russian asset? I don't agree with censoring anyone unless they are calling for active violence.

Crowes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:05 am

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 am Facebook suspends Trumps account indefinitely. This should scare people that if you don't toe the line of the elites you can be silenced

Figured you guys would love that kind of stuff. Don't private businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone if they want to? The BS like the baker refusing to serve a gay person because they don't agree with their life choices....

1.) Comparing a behemoth social media platform to mom & pop bakery seems logical.

2.) Regulating the internet is far more complicated. This goes back to the point of publisher v platform.

3.) George is completely right in saying it should scare everyone. We just had the posts on parties. Consider this... if Trump is the fracture that completely breaks the GOP and the Democrats go on a massive run, what do you think happens? Do you believe it's just this happy utopia? No, when shit goes bad, fingers will be pointed. Is it the far left pointing at the moderates? Are they the ones that have social media and the news in their backpockets? Suppressing clear, direct hate speech is one thing... it makes sense to have a level appropriateness. But when you reach the point that you're curating content, influencing feeds, shadow-banning, or outright silencing based on your own interpretation, then that's quite dangerous.

I don't know how many times I'll say it, this isn't political. It's masked by politics and heavily intertwined, but the ramifications are far beyond it.

jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:27 pm

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:54 am

shel311 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:33 am Amazing that we can't all agree that rioters of 2 days ago and rioters from all summer long are all equally scum of the earth.


But ya know, gotta stick to those party lines.

Whew, have to break w/you on this one.

I don't lump all protestors into the same group. There's levels to it and certainly many of the protestors this week and earlier this year are not scum of the earth. Poor decision to go near a mob that's looting and burning down buildings, while trying to support racial inequality? Certainly. Scum of the earth? No. Poor decision to go to Washington when tensions are at epic proportions, while trying to support your political choice or patriotism? Certainly? Scum of the earth? No.

Even those that entered an area unlawfully, in either case, I'm not going to classify as scum. Now... when you talk about burning down buildings of small business owners in your own city, locking officers in a PD and trying to light it on fire, etc... that's scum.

They aren't scum, but all protestors should've been treated the same way.

Back in 2016 when Antifa wrecked havoc in San Jose at a Trump rally and the left deemed it ok because it was against Trump (there are likely earlier instances, even of right wing violence, but this is the earliest tangible instance I could call to mind at 8:27 AM).

Once that was deemed ok, it essentially set us on the path

Definitely disagree as well. Marching down the middle of the street in Seattle is far different from blocking exits, dousing a building in gas and trying to kill LEOs.

Ry wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:03 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 am Facebook suspends Trumps account indefinitely. This should scare people that if you don't toe the line of the elites you can be silenced

Well most of us don't spew lies that effect the lives of millions of people, so there's that.

Hot take, but you should look around at the numerous posts of others that reach out to millions before making it though.

Oh brother do I have a tea party y’all would be very upset about

But honestly I don’t think ive ever seen someone genuinely change their mind about politics in a debate lmao

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:32 pm

Ry wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:03 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 am Facebook suspends Trumps account indefinitely. This should scare people that if you don't toe the line of the elites you can be silenced

Well most of us don't spew lies that effect the lives of millions of people, so there's that.

Hot take, but you should look around at the numerous posts of others that reach out to millions before making it though.

Thanks! When you're the leader of the United States, maybe the words typed and spoken mean more.