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It's been a long-time since the old school ACLU was concerned about all civil liberties. I thought 2020 was crazy... yet here we are standing side-by-side, across from folks like Crowes. Wild.

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:44 am

jsence2 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:10 am PA happened the way it did because the Republican legislature passed a law to prevent counting early votes until the polls closed. This caused the "Trump is way ahead" scenario, which is what they wanted and what news outlets advised would happen.

Even if Trump wins PA, he loses the election.

And as I and others have stated a million times: how can you think the DNC would somehow rig and steal an election, and not take the Senate?! And lose multiple House seats?

Estimated mail-in votes were included. I spoke about those in posts leading into the election. I said way ahead of time that PA was in for some BS.

Sorry... miss the last line... it was actually those data points that some of scientists use to show the disconnects between % of votes in at a given point, relative to % of others on the ticket and how the disparity significantly switched. As for the not taking the Senate, could have considered it too risky? Could have required something else? Really no idea, because I haven't based my thoughts on the conspiracy theories or things Trump and crew tossed around. As for the house, the first logical reaction is that it didn't matter, because they were clearly safe.

shel311 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:16 am Between May 29th and June 7th, a total of 21 officers were injured during BLM protests. In 1 day during the Capitol siege, a total of 61 officers were injured and 1 killed.

On June 1st alone, 316 BLM protestors were arrested for unrest related events. During the Capitol siege, a total of 61 protestors were arrested for unrest related events.

I'm no conspiracy but you'd have a hard time telling me those numbers are real without some kind of fuckery going on behind the scenes a couple of days ago.

I'm not sure I follow which disconnect you're referring to. I think you're comparing something like 25-35 protests across the nation vs 1 in DC though. Tough to tell... what's the source?

I think most of us agree that there was definitely some fuckery going on in DC, in terms of little to no resistance entering. I don't have time to dig up the article right, but if you look around, there's some commentary about how Capital / Metro securities both handled the situation in opposite manners compared to earlier protests. Even on the 1st, you're probably talking about a night where there were riots in 5-8 cities, with burning, etc flowing throughout blocks of the city. While in the DC situation, you're looking at something mostly contained to 1 area. I don't know that any of us speak to the scope of it all, because it's the same 10-15 videos floating around the internet and it's highly focused on a few select groups. With the BLM protests, there were tons of live streams across Facebook and Twitch, that gave us hours upon hours of footage from the ground level.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bl ... e-n1220761

Quick Google search on June 1st protests and this is the first timeline thing that pops up (that I don't have to pay for)...

- 4 officers hit by gunfire in St. Louis
- Tweet from ACLU "Our country's strength lies in our willingness to take to the streets and demand better from our leaders. Governors, mayors, and police chiefs should listen to protesters — and ignore the president."
- Nearly 200 people were detained after police surrounded protesters in Dallas
- Police arrested more than 100 people throughout Los Angeles
- in Hollywood around 50 people were seen being detained for apparent curfew violations, the station reported. On Sunday looters trashed stores and set fires in Santa Monica.
- Around 70 of those arrested involved suspicion of burglary and looting, LAPD Chief Michel Moore said earlier
- Tweet: "We can confirm a member of the New York State Police was one of the members of law enforcement struck by a vehicle in Buffalo, NY tonight. The member is hospitalized with serious but non-life threatening injuries."
- More than 200 arrested in New York City
New York City’s midtown, downtown and parts of the Upper East Side and the Bronx have been hit by roving groups smashing windows and lighting small street fires.

“There are packs of youths running as fast as they can, smashing windows as fast as they can, and police are trying to catch them as soon as possible,” a police spokesperson told NBC News.

More than 200 people have been arrested.


Just grabbed some headlines as I scrolled down it... but a consistent theme of looting, curfew violations, etc. As for volume, no idea how that looks as a % of total protestors. Like I referred to in the previous post, I think once they were in the Capitol, the politicians were mostly secured, it was likely a tactile decision not to engage (regardless of how they got in). I think that gets addressed a little different when it's local law enforcement reacting to citizens running through city streets.

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:47 am It's been a long-time since the old school ACLU was concerned about all civil liberties. I thought 2020 was crazy... yet here we are standing side-by-side, across from folks like Crowes. Wild.

1) you violate ToS of a platform, you get in trouble. If I cuss someone out on PSN, I can get banned.

2) Trump wasn't banned for his viewpoints or his beliefs. He was banned for inciting violence. Further attacks and riots were being openly planned.

BTW, the fact that he is franticly bouncing to other accounts shows how unhinged he is.

So to recap no mass fraud or magical ballots appearing outta thin air. Just to many Americans were allowed to cast their legitimate vote in a way that lacked proper approval is the only agruement for a court to hear?

I assume everyone knows the anology for the limits on the 1st amendment ie yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire. How is this not what Trump has done with his rhetoric since the election and especially his speech to the, at that moment a peaceful, protest crowd then directly after the storming of congress happened? And in that riot damage to property and loss of life occurred so Trump ishould be held criminal responsible? If we know the fraud claims are BS then it's safe to assume the man with more resources then anyone else in the country knows too but he kept on repeating unsubstantiated lies.

Watching more and more of the videos from inside the Capitol, from the media following the Trump supporters, from the Trump supporters themselves...

1) Many made claims of wanting to kill politicians
2) The Capitol police literally stood aside and let them waltz in, which backs the theory of Gen. Honore (George, still waiting for your thoughts on that) that they were complicit
3) Mike Pence was a target and many said he was a "traitor"
4) The police officer being crushed shows their disregard for life
5) These people were not protestors, they were terrorists:

Per the Federal Code of Regulations, Terrorism is defined as "The unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."

Prosecute every one of them to the fullest extent of the law, and if they come back on the 19th with guns...treat them like you would any other terrorist.

As for the man who incited them? Impeach him, remove him from office, strip away his pension, his Secret Service detail, and his ability to ever hold office again.

Crowes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:29 am So to recap no mass fraud or magical ballots appearing outta thin air. Just to many Americans were allowed to cast their legitimate vote in a way that lacked proper approval is the only agruement for a court to hear?

I assume everyone knows the anology for the limits on the 1st amendment ie yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire. How is this not what Trump has done with his rhetoric since the election and especially his speech to the, at that moment a peaceful, protest crowd then directly after the storming of congress happened? And in that riot damage to property and loss of life occurred so Trump ishould be held criminal responsible? If we know the fraud claims are BS then it's safe to assume the man with more resources then anyone else in the country knows too but he kept on repeating unsubstantiated lies.

Trump told them to march down the street, so they did. And he made it sound like he was going with them to incite them even more.

He should be impeached and charged with inciting sedition.

Q cause i was listening to a podcast and they discussed this (oddly since its a wrestling podcast).

Maybe they let them in because they wanted to do it with the least violence? The 1 girl died but that was a last resort. Security let them on the property, inside the building, but once they were about to breach the final secured point (where politicians were) the lady got her neck blown off.

nick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:02 am Q cause i was listening to a podcast and they discussed this (oddly since its a wrestling podcast).

Maybe they let them in because they wanted to do it with the least violence? The 1 girl died but that was a last resort. Security let them on the property, inside the building, but once they were about to breach the final secured point (where politicians were) the lady got her neck blown off.

They had no problem with violence over the summer. There were also numerous calls from Senators, Representatives, and some members of DC Police to bring in reinforcements, and those calls were ignored and denied for more than 90 minutes.

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:05 am I'm not sure I follow which disconnect you're referring to.

Not sure which part you don't get.

Protesting in DC over an almost 10 day span led to only 21 injuries to officers. 1 day at the Capitol led to 61 injuries of officers, 1 death


Within that almost 10 day span, on 1 single day 300+ were arrested to 61 at the Capitol building a few days ago.

That doesn't strike as the least bit off? 1 side is much, much more violent and that same side allowed to get away with said violence while taking over the US Capitol while an election is being certified and the VP and a shit ton of politicians are in the building?

shel311 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:16 am I'm no conspiracy but you'd have a hard time telling me those numbers are real without some kind of fuckery going on behind the scenes a couple of days ago

Maybe lock these doors? Or nah, just open em up and let them right in while saying you don't agree?

Fuckery I tell you, Fuckery.

https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/stat ... 97698?s=19

jsence2 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:03 am ) you violate ToS of a platform, you get in trouble. If I cuss someone out on PSN, I can get banned

Colin Kaepernick very, very directly tried to incite more rioting, and Jack banned him gave him $3 million.

This is why we keep calling many in the terroristic mob "racists".

https://twitter.com/aflores/status/1348 ... 07844?s=20

I seem to remember reading a lot of people posting "If our guy loses, which he won't, we will all go back to work the next day and things will be fine."

cougnix wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:05 pm I seem to remember reading a lot of people posting "If our guy loses, which he won't, we will all go back to work the next day and things will be fine."

Just like "we" didn't lump everyone in the same category in the summer. Don't lump us in with these crazies that stormed the house.

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:19 pm

cougnix wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:05 pm I seem to remember reading a lot of people posting "If our guy loses, which he won't, we will all go back to work the next day and things will be fine."

Just like "we" didn't lump everyone in the same category in the summer. Don't lump us in with these crazies that stormed the house.

I was just going to post that it wasn't you "crazies" but the social media crazies!

The more that videos like these come out, and the more that we hear from people who were in the rooms (and the more that people like McConnell, who is part of the Group of 8 that get security and classified info before the rest of Congress, quickly change their stance), the clearer it is becoming that we are fortunate not to have witnessed the livestreamed execution of some members of Congress.

These fuckers needs to be hit with the book and locked up for as long as possible. And if the reports are true, that some Congressional aides were giving folks tours the day before for recon purposes, they need to be locked up as well, and the congresspeople they worked for expelled. This video is scary as shit.

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/sta ... 25345?s=20

jsence2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:58 am The more that videos like these come out, and the more that we hear from people who were in the rooms (and the more that people like McConnell, who is part of the Group of 8 that get security and classified info before the rest of Congress, quickly change their stance), the clearer it is becoming that we are fortunate not to have witnessed the livestreamed execution of some members of Congress.

These fuckers needs to be hit with the book and locked up for as long as possible. And if the reports are true, that some Congressional aides were giving folks tours the day before for recon purposes, they need to be locked up as well, and the congresspeople they worked for expelled. This video is scary as shit.

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/sta ... 25345?s=20

If only the justice department had the same gumption to throw the book at people burning buildings down...........

Imagine comparing someone burning down a building (which happened so many times you could count them on one hand) to hundreds of people storming the United States Capitol building with the intent to, in their own words, "rape, torture, and assassinate" multiple United States Represenatives/Senators in a premeditated terrorist plot.

Oh, and hang the Vice President of the United States.

But "both sides", right?