NFL Thread

[cougnix]

Aaron Rodgers' last 10 pass attempts on Sunday: 10-for-10, 163 yards, 2 TD, 8 1st downs

I don't know if that is better than Wilson's 3rd down passing on Saturday.

8-8, 199 yards, 3 TDs

Both crazy stat sets, but Wilson on Saturday was just ridiculous.

He's not elite though...

He's not elite.

But he's also not the game manager some make him out to be.

I'm glad he isn't elite. He just wins...

[nick]

wilson is elite...

[shel311]

Aaron Rodgers' last 10 pass attempts on Sunday: 10-for-10, 163 yards, 2 TD, 8 1st downs

I don't know if that is better than Wilson's 3rd down passing on Saturday.

8-8, 199 yards, 3 TDs

Both crazy stat sets, but Wilson on Saturday was just ridiculous.

He's not elite though...

He's not elite.

But he's also not the game manager some make him out to be.

I'm glad he isn't elite. He just wins...

Ok, so Seattle's wide receiving corp, elite? They just win.

[nick]

wilson is the one and only true dual threat qb at the nfl level. most qbs have 1, but not both. no, cam newton doesnt have both. wilson can kill you with his legs and he has the most accurate deep ball and is a great thrower. he is elite, people dont wanna accept it cause he doesnt need to throw the ball 40 times a game but when he does throw, he still avgs like 8 YPA or something.

[shel311]

he is elite, people dont wanna accept it cause he doesnt need to throw the ball 40 times a game but when he does throw, he still avgs like 8 YPA or something.

I'm a big Wilson fan, but I recognize he's just not in the same company as Rodgers/Brady/Romo and Brees and Manning though they're dropping off now, so he may be for those 2 unless they get back to their normal form next season if they're not too old.

He's a great runner and that certainly separates him, but statistically, he was marginally better than Alex Smith passing(word it however, he wasn't a whole lot better is my point) the ball this season, so let's pump the brakes putting him in the same category as Aaron Rodgers.

[OracleHCR]

If they win two superbowls in a row..... Elite.

[dakshdar]

There was an article Sunday that Seattle will make him the highest paid QB ever in the off-season.

[cougnix]

he is elite, people dont wanna accept it cause he doesnt need to throw the ball 40 times a game but when he does throw, he still avgs like 8 YPA or something.

I'm a big Wilson fan, but I recognize he's just not in the same company as Rodgers/Brady/Romo and Brees and Manning though they're dropping off now, so he may be for those 2 unless they get back to their normal form next season if they're not too old.

He's a great runner and that certainly separates him, but statistically, he was marginally better than Alex Smith passing(word it however, he wasn't a whole lot better is my point) the ball this season, so let's pump the brakes putting him in the same category as Aaron Rodgers.

Separation in the Preparation. Please research your words and show me "Statistically, he was Marginally Better" than Alex Smith and then go compare his numbers to Rodgers/Brady/Romo/Brees in their FIRST 3 years in the league. Also, you said it yourself, give him the same receiving corp and make an impossible extrapolation of numbers...

[shel311]

If they win two superbowls in a row..... Elite.

Stop!!!

[shel311]

There was an article Sunday that Seattle will make him the highest paid QB ever in the off-season.

They basically don't have a choice, so to speak of course. They have to pay him. And to be honest...I also bashed the Flacco deal but if the dude is good enough to not just win, but be one of the main reasons you can win a Super Bowl, it's hard to argue against him being worth or not worth his salary. Same will apply to Wilson. They have a great defense and great run game, but he's not a game manager, he's another reason why they're winning, so he'll be worth that money IMO, even if it does meaning losing a great defensive player or 2.

[Whittness10]

If they win two superbowls in a row..... Elite.

I would agree with this. If they win it this season, he's in the discussion for sure, but as of right now, I feel he's not there yet. And after yesterday's peformance from Manning, I don't know if he's up there as an "Elite" QB anymore. But even the parameters of what is considered "Elite" is debateable in itself. Eli Manning has won 2 rings, but I don't feel he is elite. One ring doesn't do it, hell, even Trent Dilfer has a ring.

[shel311]

Please research your words and show me "Statistically, he was Marginally Better" than Alex Smith

Passer Rating, Wilson 95-93

TD:INT, Wilson 20:7, Smith 18:6
TD%:INT%, Wilson 4.4/1.5, Smith 3.9/1.3
Wilson's YPA was a decent amount better, 7.6 vs 7.0

I looked em up a few minutes ago, so i'm going off memory on all of those, but it's in that ballpark. Again better, but not by a wide margin.

and then go compare his numbers to Rodgers/Brady/Romo/Brees in their FIRST 3 years in the league.

That's irrelevant, we're comparing how good he is now to how good they are now.

Also, you said it yourself, give him the same receiving corp and make an impossible extrapolation of numbers

But his receiving corp is elite, no? They win games, like you said, that's what makes them elite.

[shel311]

If they win two superbowls in a row..... Elite.

I would agree with this.

I feel like you guys are saying this just to irk me...and it's working

2 scenarios:

- He gets to the Super Bowl - Goes 8 for 22, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 30 yards rushing, and wins the game 16-10

- He gets to the Super Bowl - Goes 25 for 35, 3 TDs 0 INTs, 50 yards rushing, loses 34-31


He's now considered elite by winning, and playing much, much worse by virtue of winning? I'd argue he's better in a loss, individually.

[dakshdar]

There was an article Sunday that Seattle will make him the highest paid QB ever in the off-season.

They basically don't have a choice, so to speak of course. They have to pay him. And to be honest...I also bashed the Flacco deal but if the dude is good enough to not just win, but be one of the main reasons you can win a Super Bowl, it's hard to argue against him being worth or not worth his salary. Same will apply to Wilson. They have a great defense and great run game, but he's not a game manager, he's another reason why they're winning, so he'll be worth that money IMO, even if it does meaning losing a great defensive player or 2.

Except, if they pay him that money, long term, it means the quality of both their run game and defense will decrease because they will have to sacrifice players from those areas that they can't re-sign.

It's a vicious circle.

[OracleHCR]

If they win two superbowls in a row..... Elite.

Stop!!!

You don't think that would move him to elite status? Two SB's in only three years in the league. He is one of the reasons they are winning and not just a game manager. He is pretty accurate and makes the throws he needs to. And he is always a threat with his legs.

[shel311]

There was an article Sunday that Seattle will make him the highest paid QB ever in the off-season.

They basically don't have a choice, so to speak of course. They have to pay him. And to be honest...I also bashed the Flacco deal but if the dude is good enough to not just win, but be one of the main reasons you can win a Super Bowl, it's hard to argue against him being worth or not worth his salary. Same will apply to Wilson. They have a great defense and great run game, but he's not a game manager, he's another reason why they're winning, so he'll be worth that money IMO, even if it does meaning losing a great defensive player or 2.

Except, if they pay him that money, long term, it means the quality of both their run game and defense will decrease because they will have to sacrifice players from those areas that they can't re-sign.

It's a vicious circle.

Agreed, but what do you do? I'd rather have the QB, but I agree in general.

[OracleHCR]

If they win two superbowls in a row..... Elite.

I would agree with this.

I feel like you guys are saying this just to irk me...and it's working

2 scenarios:

- He gets to the Super Bowl - Goes 8 for 22, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 30 yards rushing, and wins the game 16-10

- He gets to the Super Bowl - Goes 25 for 35, 3 TDs 0 INTs, 50 yards rushing, loses 34-31


He's now considered elite by winning, and playing much, much worse by virtue of winning? I'd argue he's better in a loss, individually.

What if he goes 25 - 35 with 3 TD's and rushes for 50 yds and they win by 3 touchdowns?

[shel311]

Answer my question first

[cougnix]

Please research your words and show me "Statistically, he was Marginally Better" than Alex Smith

Passer Rating, Wilson 95-93

TD:INT, Wilson 20:7, Smith 18:6
TD%:INT%, Wilson 4.4/1.5, Smith 3.9/1.3
Wilson's YPA was a decent amount better, 7.6 vs 7.0

I looked em up a few minutes ago, so i'm going off memory on all of those, but it's in that ballpark. Again better, but not by a wide margin.

and then go compare his numbers to Rodgers/Brady/Romo/Brees in their FIRST 3 years in the league.

That's irrelevant, we're comparing how good he is now to how good they are now.

Also, you said it yourself, give him the same receiving corp and make an impossible extrapolation of numbers

But his receiving corp is elite, no? They win games, like you said, that's what makes them elite.

I never said he was elite, I'm just saying that everyone says he isn't but nobody can argue why he isn't. He is in his third year and he is playing in his second NFC Championship and is a reason why they are there.

And I told you I'm glad he is not elite, but he just wins. But comparing the nucleus of the Seattle offense to the Packer offense, or other passing offenses doesn't compare to the Seattle offense. But what Wilson did yesterday put him another step closer to that level because he beat the Panthers when they geared up to force him to pass. And he just won...

[Whittness10]

If they win two superbowls in a row..... Elite.

I would agree with this.

I feel like you guys are saying this just to irk me...and it's working

2 scenarios:

- He gets to the Super Bowl - Goes 8 for 22, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 30 yards rushing, and wins the game 16-10

- He gets to the Super Bowl - Goes 25 for 35, 3 TDs 0 INTs, 50 yards rushing, loses 34-31


He's now considered elite by winning, and playing much, much worse by virtue of winning? I'd argue he's better in a loss, individually.

I would still consider it. It's not so much what he does in that specific game. But it's the entire body of work of an entire season, that pays off in the long run. Peyton puts in great numbers, but then sucks it up in the playoffs. I get your point Shel, but if he's putting up stats like that, and loses, chances are that the other teams QB is putting up equally impressive numbers, which would make winning that game mean more.