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OracleHCR · Post by **OracleHCR** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:22 pm

They need to get there first. I do not consider him elite now but if they win two in a row with him only in the league 3 years... He would definitely be in the conversation.

Post by **shel311** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:41 pm

cougnix wrote:I never said he was elite

So sarcastically saying "he's not elite though", you mean what?

cougnix wrote:I'm just saying that everyone says he isn't but nobody can argue why he isn't

I did.

Is Flacco elite?

cougnix wrote: But comparing the nucleus of the Seattle offense to the Packer offense

I know you mentioned just the nucleus, but I still think this is a bad comparison. The Packers cannot win if Rodgers doesn't play well, he is their team. Wilson is awesome, but they certainly can win if he plays 1 or 2 bad games, even in the playoffs.

On that note, I have no idea how good Nelson and Cobb are, to be honest, since they play with the best QB I've ever seen play the game.

Post by **The_Niddler** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:52 pm

I agree that he is not elite just because he wins 2 out of 3 Super Bowls.
I think that just means he has 1 hell of a team around him.

Stats are what makes a QB elite. Super Bowl victories plays into that, but I feel you cannot just go by Super Bowl victories.
If you do, then you are saying Marino is not one of the greatest to ever play the QB position cause he didn't win a Super Bowl.

And great example using Flacco shel. I was going to go there.
No way he is in the same conversation as Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Montana, Elway, Manning, Favre, etc. Those are elite QB's. Hall of Famers or future Hall of Famers.

While Wilson is good, just not at that level yet in my opinion.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:41 pm

Isnt "elite" itself a subjective term? This argument is dumb.

Post by **shel311** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:52 pm

Weasel isn't elite.

cougnix · Post by **cougnix** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:44 pm

shel311 wrote:
cougnix wrote:I never said he was elite
So sarcastically saying "he's not elite though", you mean what?

cougnix wrote:I'm just saying that everyone says he isn't but nobody can argue why he isn't
I did.

Is Flacco elite?

cougnix wrote: But comparing the nucleus of the Seattle offense to the Packer offense
I know you mentioned just the nucleus, but I still think this is a bad comparison. The Packers cannot win if Rodgers doesn't play well, he is their team. Wilson is awesome, but they certainly can win if he plays 1 or 2 bad games, even in the playoffs.

On that note, I have no idea how good Nelson and Cobb are, to be honest, since they play with the best QB I've ever seen play the game.

Point is you are comparing to guys that have been in the league longer. Russell is still on a 3rd Round draft pick contract...

Where is RG3 in this discussion? Oh yeah, he isn't good...

Post by **shel311** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:51 pm

cougnix wrote:Point is you are comparing to guys that have been in the league longer. Russell is still on a 3rd Round draft pick contract...

But we're comparing how good he is now to how good everyone else is right now, nothing more.

I do think Andrew Luck with this season he has put together is now in elite company with the other guys. I think he was annointed too soon as there was no elite argument before this season, but some folks did what you're doing now and were projecting out, knowing he would be elite, but that didn't mean he was already elite.

cougnix · Post by **cougnix** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:27 pm

shel311 wrote:
cougnix wrote:Point is you are comparing to guys that have been in the league longer. Russell is still on a 3rd Round draft pick contract...
But we're comparing how good he is now to how good everyone else is right now, nothing more.

I do think Andrew Luck with this season he has put together is now in elite company with the other guys. I think he was annointed too soon as there was no elite argument before this season, but some folks did what you're doing now and were projecting out, knowing he would be elite, but that didn't mean he was already elite.

Oh, well I would take my guy over yours every day then...

Post by **ajalves** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:43 pm

Weasel wrote:Isnt "elite" itself a subjective term? This argument is dumb.

I was thinking the same thing.

Not sure what else you can ask from a guy.

Post by **ajalves** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:46 pm

cougnix wrote:
Oh, well I would take my guy over yours every day then...

over drew brees?

cougnix · Post by **cougnix** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:46 pm

ajalves wrote:
cougnix wrote:
Oh, well I would take my guy over yours every day then...
over drew brees?

Right now? Yes

Post by **Cnasty** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:18 pm

John fox and Denver "parting ways"

LetsGoPeay · Post by **LetsGoPeay** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:26 pm

Cnasty wrote:John fox and Denver "parting ways"

And Rex Ryan is the new coach of the Bills. I think it's a good opportunity for him and the Bills. They had a solid defense last season but they've got to get someone who can throw the ball a little.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:41 pm

LetsGoPeay wrote:
Cnasty wrote:John fox and Denver "parting ways"
And Rex Ryan is the new coach of the Bills. I think it's a good opportunity for him and the Bills. They had a solid defense last season but they've got to get someone who can throw the ball a little.

So pretty much the exact situation that got him fired in New York

Post by **shel311** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:52 pm

cougnix wrote:
shel311 wrote:
cougnix wrote:Point is you are comparing to guys that have been in the league longer. Russell is still on a 3rd Round draft pick contract...
But we're comparing how good he is now to how good everyone else is right now, nothing more.

I do think Andrew Luck with this season he has put together is now in elite company with the other guys. I think he was annointed too soon as there was no elite argument before this season, but some folks did what you're doing now and were projecting out, knowing he would be elite, but that didn't mean he was already elite.
Oh, well I would take my guy over yours every day then...

Don't get your panties in a bunch!

nick · Post by **nick** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:11 pm

ajalves wrote:
cougnix wrote:
Oh, well I would take my guy over yours every day then...
over drew brees?

Now? Without a question.

nick · Post by **nick** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:12 pm

ajalves wrote:
Weasel wrote:Isnt "elite" itself a subjective term? This argument is dumb.
I was thinking the same thing.

Not sure what else you can ask from a guy.

He has to throw 40+ times a game...

Post by **DRiccio21** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:10 pm

football is way too hard of a sport to analyze individually. way too many moving parts. great players can be masked by shitty lines and vice versa.

nick · Post by **nick** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:39 am

Post by **shel311** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:28 pm

The good old field goal from the half yard line in a scoreless, 1st quarter game.

My head just exploded.

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