2049 Season Thread-Minute to Win It!!!

[Cnasty]

Great SP are a dime a dozen now.

JJ Taylors aren't!

[cougnix]

yeah, if you look at the league last season, the top 15 teams, 14 of them has all blue SP pitching staffs.

Great SP are a dime a dozen now.

I don't disagree that we have more actually good SPs.

But I also don't think going by blues is the way to look at it. There are tons of vets rated 76 or 77 with decent to good numbers, and those same guys with the exact stats and even pitching ratings back in the day, but they never would have sniffed a blue overall rating.

Yep, I have some blues that haven't lived up to blue ratings...

[nick]

what a era of NDLB when were bragging about 1st basemen

[Cnasty]

What does the position matter when compared to the statistical performance as a hitter?

[Cnasty]

Furthermore, 4 of the best hitters in the game right now are 1B.

JJ
Hawks
Stevens
Ware

[Uuaww]

yeah, if you look at the league last season, the top 15 teams, 14 of them has all blue SP pitching staffs.

Great SP are a dime a dozen now.

I don't disagree that we have more actually good SPs.

But I also don't think going by blues is the way to look at it. There are tons of vets rated 76 or 77 with decent to good numbers, and those same guys with the exact stats and even pitching ratings back in the day, but they never would have sniffed a blue overall rating.

true, it's just a way of looking at it.

Yue-Jiu Lou has very underwhelming ratings but is an amazing SP.

[Uuaww]

Great SP are a dime a dozen now.

JJ Taylors aren't!

yeah but we are aware of the price... a lot of people can't afford to mortgage the future for a 3-4 year run with JJ at the helm.

He is 31, so while he is in his prime, the decline could start within the next 2-3 years and we will likely see something in 3-4. But take him away from Boston and you don't really get much worse, Martinez is waiting in the wings to easily take over. Sure the team that gets him will instantly become better, but still a major underdog to Boston in a playoff series.

A lot to ask to get a team to give up 2 top prospects in return and still not be a favorite to win.

[Cnasty]

But again, you are worrying about Boston and i think thats a terrible strategy when attempting to trade.

Boston has been easily defeated in the playoffs and we all see that any team can get hot at the right moment when it counts.

If you are a Sheltown, NE, STC, Washington, or Richmond a guy like Taylor significantly improves your current roster and ability to win it all this year.

I am not saying those teams havent made efforts to get him but i consider them good to great teams with the a shot a title with some added pieces.

Make your team better, stop worrying about Boston.

[shel311]

If you are a Sheltown, NE, STC, Washington, or Richmond a guy like Taylor significantly improves your current roster and ability to win it all this year.

I've thought about it all offseason. But one, I don't want to give you the next 2 ROY prospects.

And 2nd, I need to get better and spend in other places. I don't think the value JJ brings at $17mil/year is better than the value Marsh will bring at 1B with a minimum salary plus the value I could get spending $17mil elsewhere, like my meh bullpen.

[Cnasty]

Every team has their reasons and their reasons are their own.

The reason I am saying is a terrible one is worrying about making Boston better and being an underdog to them in a playoff series.

[dusters06]

You listed every team that has prospects that you want....is that safe to assume haha? You see it 1 way, and some see it the other. Personally, I agree with Ted. The cycle that Boston has is amazing, and well deserved...but you can't say we're wrong for hoping to see Boston come back down to earth with the rest of us. You've built a dynasty and it still has 6-8 years of greatness left if you simply didn't touch it. That's NOT including the 15+ superstars you have waiting in the minors. 110+ wins with the best rotation and the best offense, with 80+ million to spend....spells disaster for alot of teams.

[Cnasty]

You listed every team that has prospects that you want....is that safe to assume haha?

No, I listed teams that I think can benefit the most by adding him to their rosters to take them to another level.

It is your personal choice not to trade with me and anyone else's. At that point though I might as well become a Baker or a Kelly and just export.

[dusters06]

You listed every team that has prospects that you want....is that safe to assume haha?

No, I listed teams that I think can benefit the most by adding him to their rosters to take them to another level.

It is your personal choice not to trade with me and anyone else's. At that point though I might as well become a Baker or a Kelly and just export.

Every single team in the league would benefit from adding him, no denying that. But you could not trade for the next 10 seasons and still win 100+.....every single year! The moment you post these guys on the block nearly every team in the league looks at what they might have to offer, some of us are more willing to give up multiples while others aren't. The recent success of the Boston farm has heavily moved the needle in favor of teams not willing to give up those 2 of 3 prospects like we used to see.

In simple form, trade 2 prospects for 1 superstar. Boston atill dominates, is now way better off financially, instantly younger, and continues to build the farm. What it means is there really isn't a scenario where any single team can win a trade against Boston. We all gauge who got the better deal. I think no matter what, Boston wins the deal

[Cnasty]

I would agree if I was winning every single title, every single year.

That is far from the truth.

Teams have benefited from our trades recently and won titles including Toronto and Indy.

Does that not matter?

[dusters06]

Indy also lost $80 million that season. Don't get me wrong, I'd give it in a heartbeat to win it all. But Boston is doing it with a payroll less than half the league. Fringe teams give up prospects, take on 17 mil in money, and get to watch Boston still win 110, and watch Boston spend that same 17 mil on the next Munoz and Marino in IFA.

As bad as it sounds, winning the Munoz, Todd, Bryan, Martinez type deals repeatedly doesn't give anyone itchy trigger fingers on these block guys you post. We're all scared damnit

[DRiccio21]

we're getting to that point of restlessness that happens every season just before opening day.

LETS PLAY BALL!!!

[Cnasty]

My overarching point being not trading with Boston isn't going to do anything except reduce trade partners (which you cried about activity earlier ), provide less options for prospects to change hands from a top farm system, and also reduce my immersion let alone a trickle affect to others.

We all have our strategies, not trading with Boston imo is not the best one to anchor on.

[shel311]

Duster is really disrespecting Boston by calling them a lowly "110 win team."

Boston's gonna be a 125+ win team for the next 10 years AND receive luxury tax as an added F you to the Teds and Kevins of the world

[DRiccio21]

not if the Bitter Spitters and Shock city have anything to say about that!!! (we don't...but IF WE DID!!!)

[Cnasty]

I am just really trying to understand a world where an MVP caliber player that is only 31 and producing at such a high level can't fetch 1 top prospect.

I know we love our real world comparisons but in the MLB he would get 3 or 4 "blues".

Like Shel said though, some have valid reasons due to cost, other needs, or future state. Doing it because they don't want to make Boston better is pretty low on those valid reasons list imo.