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saying paul's good because he doesnt turn the ball over isl ike saying Jeter is a gold glove SS

ajalves wrote:saying paul's good because he doesnt turn the ball over isl ike saying Jeter is a gold glove SS

And we've reached the point where you've lost me

shel311 wrote:

ajalves wrote:saying paul's good because he doesnt turn the ball over isl ike saying Jeter is a gold glove SS

And we've reached the point where you've lost me

i'll give you a few to think about it

ajalves wrote:saying paul's good because he doesnt turn the ball over isl ike saying Jeter is a gold glove SS

i don't follow.

Paul is near the tops in the league in assists and still doesn't turn the ball over. its not as if he's not attempting passes to boost his A/T%.

ajalves wrote:

shel311 wrote:

ajalves wrote:saying paul's good because he doesnt turn the ball over isl ike saying Jeter is a gold glove SS

And we've reached the point where you've lost me

i'll give you a few to think about it

to be honest, i dont get it either.

Jeter gets gold glove bc most managers still use archaic fielding metrics when analyzing defense. some i'm sure allow personal preference to make an impact in their voting as well.

how does that have anything to do with an objective measure like the amount of turnovers Chris Paul makes?

and i never said Chris Paul was good because he doesn't turn the ball over.

i said he's good because:

-- he's an elite passer
-- he doesn't turn the ball over
-- he's an elite defender
-- he shoots around 50% for a guard which is absurd
-- he doesn't miss free throws

and the list goes on.

ajalves wrote:

shel311 wrote:

ajalves wrote:saying paul's good because he doesnt turn the ball over isl ike saying Jeter is a gold glove SS

And we've reached the point where you've lost me

i'll give you a few to think about it

WEll, everyone always talks about how Jeter isn't that good defensively.

But in terms of turning the ball over, Paul is good at that(or not doing that), so i don't follow the logic.

havent i already said he was good?

wtf are we even talking about here?

i dont agree that rondo isnt top 5 when you're going to probably say someone overrated like Darron Williams is.

ajalves wrote:havent i already said he was good?

wtf are we even talking about here?

i dont agree that rondo isnt top 5 when you're going to probably say someone overrated like Darron Williams is.

What does that have to do with the Jeter comment? LOL.

You've beyond lost me at this point. You're talking Jeter, then when I answer, you're not talking about Jeter. Then you're building a strawman argument with Dwill.

I'm more lost than Jack and Kate right now.

you said there is times where you'd take Rondo over him.... thats the discussion now.

im trying to care about this, i just really dont. Get a more interesting topic and ill get involved on the opposite side

ajalves wrote:im trying to care about this, i just really dont. Get a more interesting topic and ill get involved on the opposite side

So, you're not going to explain the Jeter/Gold Glove comparison?

BOOO!!!!

shel311 wrote:

ajalves wrote:im trying to care about this, i just really dont. Get a more interesting topic and ill get involved on the opposite side

So, you're not going to explain the Jeter/Gold Glove comparison?

BOOO!!!!

paul is pretty vanilla...so's jeter....jeter might not have as many errors as some younger guy who gets to more balls.

huh?

AJ

I honest to baby jesus have no clue what that has to do with Paul not turning the ball over much.

its just not a good comparison. i get what you're saying, its just not good. Jeter has limited range which causes him to be vanilla, there is nothing that 'limits' Paul and makes him play the way he does.

each play has a +/- to it. if you turn the ball over than its obviously -, if you can create a basket its obviously +. how can he be vanilla if he can put up more + than - and do so in a way that no other player in the league (other than Lebron) can.

would you like him more if he was more flashy and put up more -'s? i mean, thats basically saying you'd rather have Kobe than Lebron. thats the same argument there. Kobe can do more 'flashy' things, but he just doesn't do them efficiently.

shel311 wrote:I honest to baby jesus have no clue what that has to do with Paul not turning the ball over much.

it has to do with how i'd take rondo over paul depending on my roster

ajalves wrote:

shel311 wrote:I honest to baby jesus have no clue what that has to do with Paul not turning the ball over much.

it has to do with how i'd take rondo over paul depending on my roster

I actually see the comparison now... Both things make no sense

ajalves wrote:

shel311 wrote:I honest to baby jesus have no clue what that has to do with Paul not turning the ball over much.

it has to do with how i'd take rondo over paul depending on my roster

Give me Paul over Rondo no matter who is on my roster.