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Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:38 pm**

xLiQx wrote:Just read this last night and decided my two cents probably dont' mean much...quote quote....But I always did the coaching reports right after the game, win or lose, and sometimes I would be heated, lose or win, and say things that probably were out of context or a bit stretched...I had along conversation with Buckeye, he brought up a TON of great points, and after seeing my coaching reporgt this year, I realized it more and more. I read and try to take in everything writes, last year I actually didn't get "ALOT" of feedback, this year, with me winning against bigger name coaches, I GOT TONS, as you can imagine..and honestly, I dont' really take much of it in...cause alot of I think was written in the heat of the moment "ran over 20 half back screens) I will bet my childs life that I have never ran over 10 in a game ever in any game ever. "hot routes all the time on defense" I NEVER hot route on defense....."ate the clock in the 3rd quarter or 4th quarter (got that twice)"....When I am up 25+...would you like me to just keep scoring? If your going to run hurry up and pass.....then I will chew the clock I guess haha, and the best is when someone says "it doesnt' bother me, but sometime else might say something" but then they dock you on the report. I am GUILTY as everyone, as I had stated, I used to write these last year right after my games, in loss, or even a win I would write stuff down without thinking, then the next day would think about it.....if I blitz the crap out of a guy, he only has a few options, if I dont' ever blitz a guy, he then again only has a few options, if you play man to man all game long, then only a few routes might be open, if I dont' mix it up, how can I expect him to, if he mixes it up a lot, then I need to. Just my two cents, these reports...as the THOUGHT is a great one, and it CAN mean alot coming from CERTAIN GUYS that take pride in not LIEING, nor slamming people, but helping them, then it works out great, but I think from what I have gathered and heard from people, it seems as if guys are going to lie, stretch the truth, get angry and just lower the score cause they dont' KNOW the guy, or can't beat him, and just put stuff in there that makes no sense, how can one better the gameplay per say? I dont' know how to fix the "ran 20 screens to his hb" or the "hot routed all the time on defense" or the best was one guy said I blitzed every single play, the other said I never did.....Of course every owner is or should play to his teams strengths against the opponent...sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't haha.

I KNOW the arguement is going to be..well some guys win all the time and get great reports...well they are usually guys who have been in here along time. And we all know how it works when you play a guy with a little bit of power or whatnot, you tend to either play different or kiss his ass. I have built a great relationship with guys in here already, and have had some in the past, good or bad haha, but I LOVE it here, so I am not trying to complain, mainly I am board on a Saturday cheering against NDSU, and thought I would share some insight...MPO.

I guess I just suggest you give it 24 hours before you put in your coaching reports..I think it will let you look at things from a different perspective and also maybe see things from a different view.

This guy doesnt get it.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:18 pm**

I agree that waiting till the next day to fill out a coaching report is wise, but it also doesn't make sense to say people would lie in them.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:44 pm**

WJ5811 wrote:
xLiQx wrote:Just read this last night and decided my two cents probably dont' mean much...quote quote....But I always did the coaching reports right after the game, win or lose, and sometimes I would be heated, lose or win, and say things that probably were out of context or a bit stretched...I had along conversation with Buckeye, he brought up a TON of great points, and after seeing my coaching reporgt this year, I realized it more and more. I read and try to take in everything writes, last year I actually didn't get "ALOT" of feedback, this year, with me winning against bigger name coaches, I GOT TONS, as you can imagine..and honestly, I dont' really take much of it in...cause alot of I think was written in the heat of the moment "ran over 20 half back screens) I will bet my childs life that I have never ran over 10 in a game ever in any game ever. "hot routes all the time on defense" I NEVER hot route on defense....."ate the clock in the 3rd quarter or 4th quarter (got that twice)"....When I am up 25+...would you like me to just keep scoring? If your going to run hurry up and pass.....then I will chew the clock I guess haha, and the best is when someone says "it doesnt' bother me, but sometime else might say something" but then they dock you on the report. I am GUILTY as everyone, as I had stated, I used to write these last year right after my games, in loss, or even a win I would write stuff down without thinking, then the next day would think about it.....if I blitz the crap out of a guy, he only has a few options, if I dont' ever blitz a guy, he then again only has a few options, if you play man to man all game long, then only a few routes might be open, if I dont' mix it up, how can I expect him to, if he mixes it up a lot, then I need to. Just my two cents, these reports...as the THOUGHT is a great one, and it CAN mean alot coming from CERTAIN GUYS that take pride in not LIEING, nor slamming people, but helping them, then it works out great, but I think from what I have gathered and heard from people, it seems as if guys are going to lie, stretch the truth, get angry and just lower the score cause they dont' KNOW the guy, or can't beat him, and just put stuff in there that makes no sense, how can one better the gameplay per say? I dont' know how to fix the "ran 20 screens to his hb" or the "hot routed all the time on defense" or the best was one guy said I blitzed every single play, the other said I never did.....Of course every owner is or should play to his teams strengths against the opponent...sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't haha.

I KNOW the arguement is going to be..well some guys win all the time and get great reports...well they are usually guys who have been in here along time. And we all know how it works when you play a guy with a little bit of power or whatnot, you tend to either play different or kiss his ass. I have built a great relationship with guys in here already, and have had some in the past, good or bad haha, but I LOVE it here, so I am not trying to complain, mainly I am board on a Saturday cheering against NDSU, and thought I would share some insight...MPO.

I guess I just suggest you give it 24 hours before you put in your coaching reports..I think it will let you look at things from a different perspective and also maybe see things from a different view.

This guy doesnt get it.

Unfortunately, there is a lot wrong in that long post.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:50 pm**

why do PEOPLE always TALK like this

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:55 pm**

all im gonna say on the topic as people voice their displeasures is... a lot of you should be thankful the NDL and NCAA/PS3 are not as active as the Ps2 was, or most of you (including me) wouldnt be in this great league.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:01 pm**

I mean it really isn't rocket science here. If you have multiple negative comments, its your game play. If you still don't see it that way you are fucking delusional. I understand getting a butt hurt comment every once and a while but ain't nobody getting several butt hurt comments in one season.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:06 pm**

BFiVL wrote:I mean it really isn't rocket science here. If you have multiple negative comments, its your game play. If you still don't see it that way you are fucking delusional. I understand getting a butt hurt comment every once and a while but ain't nobody getting several butt hurt comments in one season.

Couldn't have said it better.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:24 pm**

[/quote]This guy doesnt get it.[/quote]

I've only been here for a season but I've taken in a lot and what he said hits pretty close to the truth.

1. There is definitely a buddy system which I am sure is reflected in the coach's reports.
2. People get super heated when they lose
3. Those people play super straight until they get scared of losing
4. Some people deduct points for things they just don't understand. (I was deducted points for blitzing non-stop to stop his run? I controlled the MLB and used zones, maybe me but Blitzing doesn't stop the run unless you guess the right hole. Hopefully EA will bring back the detailed game reports. I mean whatever, but someone could lose their job at their school because someone has no idea what they are talking about.

In a perfect world we would have a mandatory rule that we had to record our games and have a review panel or something. couldn't we implement something like this? I mean everyone has a cameraphone or webcam or something if not the equipment to record it straight from the screen. Hook your phone up to the computer and point your phone at the screen record straight to your harddrive and send in the video if your opponent requests a review.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:32 pm**

BFiVL wrote:I mean it really isn't rocket science here. If you have multiple negative comments, its your game play. If you still don't see it that way you are fucking delusional. I understand getting a butt hurt comment every once and a while but ain't nobody getting several butt hurt comments in one season.

That is exactly it though, just getting 2 bad comments from people who are obviously just pissed off they lost or don't like you can hurt your score for no reason.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:33 pm**

And just to add this in, I am in no way upset about my score, things went great for me but I am just saying I could see where there would be a problem for some other people.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:45 pm**

MrChampagne3 wrote:
BFiVL wrote:I mean it really isn't rocket science here. If you have multiple negative comments, its your game play. If you still don't see it that way you are fucking delusional. I understand getting a butt hurt comment every once and a while but ain't nobody getting several butt hurt comments in one season.

That is exactly it though, just getting 2 bad comments from people who are obviously just pissed off they lost or don't like you can hurt your score for no reason.

Having two bad comments when you intentionally broke the rules, and even admitted to it in a long post, should hurt your score. Like Nick said...if this was the PS2 days when there was a waiting list just to get into the Farm these rule breakers would be gone at seasons end. Most of the guys that have been here a while lose enough, and have lost enough over the years where losing isn't going to affect the grading. I'm lucky when I get to 7-5 so I have become accustomed to losing and the mere fact of losing isn't going to hurt your score in the least with me. I don't play this game to be in the NDL, I play this game because I have enjoyed the community of the NDL for the past 8 years. Trust me, most of us could be doing a lot more productive things than playing a video game but the camaraderie of the men in this league is what keeps most of us here.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:01 pm**

MrChampagne3 wrote:

I've only been here for a season but I've taken in a lot and what he said hits pretty close to the truth.

1. There is definitely a buddy system which I am sure is reflected in the coach's reports.
2. People get super heated when they lose
3. Those people play super straight until they get scared of losing
4. Some people deduct points for things they just don't understand. (I was deducted points for blitzing non-stop to stop his run? I controlled the MLB and used zones, maybe me but Blitzing doesn't stop the run unless you guess the right hole. Hopefully EA will bring back the detailed game reports. I mean whatever, but someone could lose their job at their school because someone has no idea what they are talking about.

In a perfect world we would have a mandatory rule that we had to record our games and have a review panel or something. couldn't we implement something like this? I mean everyone has a cameraphone or webcam or something if not the equipment to record it straight from the screen. Hook your phone up to the computer and point your phone at the screen record straight to your harddrive and send in the video if your opponent requests a review.

After 26 seasons we should mandate recording because some new guys dont like their scores?

I wouldnt care because I have started recording mine for replay anyway. But to make everyone do it I dont think so. Lets look at the guys who have a problem with the scores. Seems to be the newer crowd. Maybe that means they havent come come around to fully playing the NDL way yet. I dont see any guys with 10,15,20 seasons coming in here and complaining about any comments or scores. Probably because after multiple seasons they get it and know how things work.

The reason I said above he doesnt get it is because the whole post is full of excuses and blaiming everyone else but himself. How about taking the comments and looking at them and deciding what made the other coach have that perspective of his game. I doubt he literally ran 20 screens either ( I would hope not). But even if he ran 10 that would be alot of HB screens. And were they highly successful and did they have a major roll in the game? If so then that would lead to the other persons perception to be that this guy ran a ton of screens and they were over used. If he ran the screens and they went for big gains in key situations or big scores or first downs on key 3rd down situations that kind of stuff would stick out to the other coach as a big deal if it was done alot. So maybe he only ran 10 but they had such an impact that it seemed like more. If thats the case he should look at it and say ok I didnt run 20 screens but I did run alot of them when I think back and for some reason the way Im running them is sticking out and causing a complaint. So he should make an effort to decide to run less of them in the future. On defense if guys are complaining you blitz alot maybe its because you blitz more than you think or the blitzes you use are very succesfull and you tend to call them in all the key situations (every 3rd down or every redzone) and dont realize you are doing it so much. Bottom line is if guys are giving you multiple issues about your gameplay it cant just be that everyone is a liar and they all got mad they got beat. You might get that once in awhile but not multiple times.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:07 pm**

GeorgesGoons wrote:
MrChampagne3 wrote:
BFiVL wrote:I mean it really isn't rocket science here. If you have multiple negative comments, its your game play. If you still don't see it that way you are fucking delusional. I understand getting a butt hurt comment every once and a while but ain't nobody getting several butt hurt comments in one season.

That is exactly it though, just getting 2 bad comments from people who are obviously just pissed off they lost or don't like you can hurt your score for no reason.
Having two bad comments when you intentionally broke the rules, and even admitted to it in a long post, should hurt your score. Like Nick said...if this was the PS2 days when there was a waiting list just to get into the Farm these rule breakers would be gone at seasons end. Most of the guys that have been here a while lose enough, and have lost enough over the years where losing isn't going to affect the grading. I'm lucky when I get to 7-5 so I have become accustomed to losing and the mere fact of losing isn't going to hurt your score in the least with me. I don't play this game to be in the NDL, I play this game because I have enjoyed the community of the NDL for the past 8 years. Trust me, most of us could be doing a lot more productive things than playing a video game but the camaraderie of the men in this league is what keeps most of us here.

Jeffmo once said something along the lines of ...I dont care if we only have 80 straight coaches in this league we will play with those 80 if we have too. If you dont play the NDL way you wont be in this league. I like most everyone have had negative comments on my reports at some point in the last 26 seasons. I tweaked my game or changed things or threw some things out altogether in the spirit of fitting in with the league and playing with coaches reports in mind.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:10 pm**

¡Santa Barbara!

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:14 pm**

jeffmo is the most overrated individual in NDL history but thats besides the point

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:26 pm**

These posts are getting good. I will say this I love being apart of the NDL! Does everyone like my gameplay I would guess not, but I will say this I never break rules, and do try to listen to coaching comments. However just because someone says I did this or that wrong doesnt mean I agree. We all have different play styles and you have to play your game. But we should all understand, and this isnt me preaching, everyone is different how they approach the game and if you dont like someones style the NDL its pretty big, just pick a conference away from them and find guys you like to play. Mr. Champagne said something along the lines that there is a "buddy system." He is correct and thats fine. Coaches like playing each other and thats that. But I do think there are some really bad sports sometimes when an underdog wins the other coach hammers them on the coaching report, but thats part of the game. Not everyone has to be buddy buddy here. But I still like to know what people are saying so that I can tweak my gameplay, but if I dont agree with a comment theres no rule in the NDL that says I have to change. But I will mark someone down if they break a rule.

Just a little insight from Mac n Cheese

*puts on helmet!*

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:28 pm**

UclaMac wrote:
*puts on helmet!*

Get the flak vest too

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:36 pm**

just a couple key notes

- no, buddy system has no effect. I'm probably one of the most disliked people in this league and I get 100% yearly
- There's like, 4 of you in total writing this shit over and over. This is a 120 team league, 4 =/= 120? Nope. Fix your shit up
- I've heard people who want to switch conferences because of game play from folks. That's really saying a lot

End of the day, Like I said before, instead of writing out page long explanations for your play which has been documented to be like this yearly, try changing things up. Winning isn't everything.

Final note, I might be going outta my way but I promise I will do it. I'm gonna ask buckeye to track a couple scores you guys got (specifically the guys in this thread), and if your scores dont improve next year, I will spend my days finding someone to replace you.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:44 pm**

WJ gets it. He is old school.

I laugh when folks say " they play you straight cause you are a commish or you get good CRs cause you are a commish". We became Commishes cause we got good CRs prior. Rule breakers still break rules versus Commishes as well.

Buddy system I don't understand cause that's a no duh kind of statement. You have control of your OOC, why would you not play against someone you like and you know there aren't going to be issues? I personally may ask someone I am friends with about a game they played vs one of my upcoming oppts but would never grade anyone better or worse based on anything other than how they played vs me.

People do shady things when they start losing. Well dock them if they break the rules.

People can't handle losing. Ahhhhh the Ol standard of passing the buck. Does this happen? Probably. Does it happen as often as people think? Hell no. Typically you will see this when you have 11 good coaches reports and then that one that doesn't fit.

Willing to bet that since we went to new CR system of not dropping highest and lowest score that the CR avgs have been the same across the league.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:50 pm**

Any coaches who have not been here a long time need to understand that the NDL is like interstate traffic, anyone who has ever driven on GA 400 or a similar high volume high speed road should get this. Those of us who have been here 20+ seasons are booking along at the posted speed limit, anyone who joins needs to know the rules of the road, drive with courtesy, and realize that going faster than everyone else (winning) is not the #1 goal. The goal here is the community itself, and those who understand this care as much about how much fun their opponent has as they ever do about winning. If your ever having to justify yourself it's about 99% likely your 100% in the wrong and not acting in the best interest of the league.

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