Any New Rules being added for NCAA 10?

[Dolemitesooner]

Coaches reports are a joke.

I get nailed every year.

#1 - thats a little bit of an exaggeration.

#2 - Dont ask, Dont tell.

Key word there was a bit. There is a lot of truth to my statement. The main reason I have been scrimming a ton is because winning means a lot more than people think.

I suck and need to win more.

I never understood don't ask don't tell. Either you did or you did not right? I have never gotten in the top 20 percent in coaches reports and yet I have never been told why. There is a flaw in the system.

The guys that win are at the top or the draft

the guys that dont are at the bottom.

[Nole4real]

I was saying "Dont ask, dont tell"..in your response to you saying "I get nailed every year"

Its a gay joke.

(no offense)

[oldschoola]

i got one for ya
lets say its 3rd and 10, a guy is dropping back to pass and i have 3 defenders rushing with absolutely no pressure at all on the qb. he then scrambles for the 1st down instead of throwing the pass or throwing away. me personally would either throw it down field,run out of bounds or throw it away once out of the pocket. i have played guys in the past that have done so i will ding them in their coaches report for doing this. is this fair to dock them for doing that? i know some would argue that it would be realistic but i would disagree because of the way the ai is set up. now if i was blitzing thats a different story if a guy is getting chased.

[Dolemitesooner]

i got one for ya
lets say its 3rd and 10, a guy is dropping back to pass and i have 3 defenders rushing with absolutely no pressure at all on the qb. he then scrambles for the 1st down instead of throwing the pass or throwing away. me personally would either throw it down field,run out of bounds or throw it away once out of the pocket. i have played guys in the past that have done so i will ding them in their coaches report for doing this. is this fair to dock them for doing that? i know some would argue that it would be realistic but i would disagree because of the way the ai is set up. now if i was blitzing thats a different story if a guy is getting chased.

I think they should be dinged. I have scene more and more of running with the qb from people I never thought would.

The things is it dont matter if you ding them. Your 1 or 2 on their coaches report out of 12 means such a small amount. The next game they could be blasting a guy so they wont pull the gimicks and get all 5's.

[Nole4real]

everyone is different and there will never be a concensus opiion on that.

I personally am like you...I throw it away..even if im playing a fuck around scrim vs hoos or someone I KNOW wont care in the least little bit...I just dont wanna get intot he habit because i dont wanna get dinged in the reports.

on the otherside though...I usually dont ding somone for doing it once..especially if im dropping 8 back into coverage.

1st one ALWAYS catches me off guard as im not expecting it.

2nd time im kinda looking for it....then i'll really evaluate /pressure vs intent.

3rd time...especially if all 3 come on 3rd downs and resulted in 1st downs....im prolly gonna knock off a point.

under no circumstance should there ever be more than 3 in a game....more than that and im prolly giving a 1

(also taken into consideration is the qb speed....if its a fast qb then i'll knock off points quicker and the assumption is the intent to run and take advantage of ai is greater...if its some barreling swq...diff story)...

[Dolemitesooner]

So I can run with the QB twice

sweet!!!

I am joking with you Nole but the reason I say that is because when a guy like you or Aj or Mike say this it becomes Cannon if the others read it.


So I will be expecting everyone to run on me this season.

QB spy every play women...lol

[ReignOnU]

I don't want to derail this thread but dole isn't too far off base with his comment about the coach reports. It's a numbers thing. You can't just look at the 40% v. 20%. It comes down to variation within those weighted values.

I think it's safe to say that over the year's, the NDL has formed a roster of classy coaches. So the coaches, in general, are all always going to score high on the coaches reports. I don't have the exact info (maybe someone can share it) but the 80th-90th place coach in the coaching reports is still probably scoring up to 70% of max value. While the coach loses MORE ground because they simply suck at the game and can't win.

At first look, you would think the weighted value of 40% would be more, but everyone is scoring high and held to the same standard so it evens things out. The place that you have the biggest opportunity for disparity is in the winning/losing.

[ReignOnU]

Nole is right, there definitely has to be some cushion. Is it really fair to think that you should be able to drop 8 and it should be up to them to find an open WR with 4, maybe 5 going out?

If you're only rushing 3, then I think part of the blame lies on you as well, for your playcalling.

But as Nole said, 1-2 times, sure. If they are doing it repeatedly (3+), then obviously points should come off.

[vicktim7]

mike j. and i were talking last night about that same situation (drop 8 coverages). the wr's do a better job of coming back to the ball this year, making it possible to hit them on a deep comeback type of route. will guys complain because the qb stuck around waiting for them to come back? if a defense is consistently dropping 8 guys, or running those max zones, i can't blame a coach for taking off with a qb. now if it becomes a trend, that's one thing, but i shouldn't be able to drop 8 guys and run around the middle of the field with my safety with impunity. sometimes guys know this and consistently drop 7, 8, or 9 guys on any key passing down. however, as we were talking last night, it's harder to pick up on defensive playcalling trends than it is to see someone running the same plays over and over.

[Ry]

and here we go.....the season has yet to start and coaches are already getting dinged for plays that have yet to happen in league play.

cmon guys, relax. We are alll good enough or have played enough to know that qbs scramble quite often in real games.

I don't think a qb running for a first down on a scramble happens more than three times in a 6 min qtr game so I'll agree with that point and much more than that would get quite irritating.

However, if someone is in man or deep zones and all my guys are covered I will not throw it away. If this is a "sim league"-simply throwing the ball away would be unrealistic.

It is also the defenses responsibility to know the opposing qb has speed and could conceivable run for a first down, so in turn, it's the defenses responsibility to spy the qb.

[BigStimpin]

i got one for ya
lets say its 3rd and 10, a guy is dropping back to pass and i have 3 defenders rushing with absolutely no pressure at all on the qb. he then scrambles for the 1st down instead of throwing the pass or throwing away. me personally would either throw it down field,run out of bounds or throw it away once out of the pocket. i have played guys in the past that have done so i will ding them in their coaches report for doing this. is this fair to dock them for doing that? i know some would argue that it would be realistic but i would disagree because of the way the ai is set up. now if i was blitzing thats a different story if a guy is getting chased.

Weak. Drop 8 or 9 into coverage so there is literally no options available, then get upset when the middle parts like the Red Sea and your opponent takes what is given. Uyy, you guys... you freaking kill me sometimes, if it aint one thing, god dammned it'll be another.

Now Oldschoola, don't take what I say personal at all, please, but you and anyone who agrees with you are wanting your cake and eating it too. Its easy to drop 8 or 9 into coverage without having to worry about any consequences. You want your opponent to concede and throw it away... I would never abuse it or do it by design but I'll take it every time. Ding me for that and I'll ding you for dropping 8 or 9 on every 3rd and long. Love you mean it, and anyone else who takes your stance.

[Shiftdnb]

Then it goes back to what you're doing on defense. Are you dropping 8 guys into coverage every third down? Are they looking for someone, obviously know one is open and you've got your DE's in contain? Are they merely running to the sidelines and going for first downs with no pressure? It's like complaining someone throws to the outside the whole game when you're controlling the MLB or a Safety and just blanketing the middle. Someone throwing crossing patterns on you a lot? Are you running a majority of man coverage? Take what you're doing into account before knocking them on your reports.

[Nole4real]

side note:

I FREAKING LOVE that the middle opens up for qb scrambles....love it....love it..love it....

although i still wont do it lol...ive seen 3 or 4 guys run the qb up the middle for a scramble on me when i have 8 guys back in coverage....everytime has been appropriate and i dont mind it one bit...even enjoyed seeing it.

felt MUCH more realistic than guys spring to the outside with qb

kudos to ea for that

[6ftdeep]

Yeah I have to agree with nole and stimpin to an extent on the qb runs.. Use too I would throw the ball away or run to the los and slide.

But I have started to come to a mid ground where.. yea.. if I drop off in a full zone for instance I know I gonna get beat by one of two things, there will be no pressure and the guy will just wait and lob over top once the wr outruns the zone, or he will wait till i take my lb way down field to help patrol the long post and run with the qb.

But what do I expect for him to go ahh he got me i only have 5 receivers they are blanketed with his 9 defenders.. he outsmarted running that dreaded velvet defense.. Or say well they are covered let me force it for one of my 30 picks on the year..

Hell no.. I expect him to eventually if he is smart to do 1 of the first 2 things I said and it is my job to stop the 2 options he has left when I run that type defense.

It is my fault i get burnt by either of those, I know the negatives of running a full zone just as everyone does in this league..

If they run with the qb as a result of your play selection or patiently sitting in the pocket and really looking downfield before running who are we to dock the person for not being dumb and throwing into coverage.

Now if they are intently running with the qb on pass plays that is different and should be docked but come on we should all be able to tell the difference.

[ajalves]

I'll touch on most of the concerns in a pre season 'announcement'

I dont see the need for any new rules at this time.

The issue for me is to have guys take their post game coaches reports seriously. I am not saying nitpick guys, but rather score the same win or lose.

If a guy is basing his entire defense on line guessing/crashing and dropping everyone else into zone all game then he should be dinged on his reports.

at the same time I would NOT ding a guy for scrambling a time or two if i am gonna play max zone. If it becomes an issue of 'too much' then ill take care of said issue in the coaches report.

along those lines if you are going to crash, expect significant "bounces" by the RB. When the bounces outside happen after YOU guess run left or right, you have no right to ding guys for bouncing.

if we want that to be the case, we'll get on AIM with our opponents and ask them where they would like us to run our play to best serve them....

guys can blow off the coaches reports all they want, in the long run it only hurts the league.

lets assume for now we're going to all be adults and take this game/league for the fun it is and will continue to be

[Dolemitesooner]

Anything to win basically Oldschoola is what most of them are saying.


I know for a fact schoola is like me in this reguard. Nole is in the same boat. He won't run because he wants to be thought of as a good coach.

You all are basically saying If you drop 8 back I am running with it because thats the only way I can get the first down, and that's all that matters.

What we play here is not straight football. Its "straighter" football.

I love this league and nothing is better, and I enjoy playing guys here more than lobby guys because its straigher, but when someone is about to lose their real true colors come out and I have scene it time and again here. So run with your Qb guys because winning is way more important to you than it is me.

[ajalves]

Anything to win basically Oldschoola is what most of them are saying.


I know for a fact schoola is like me in this reguard. Nole is in the same boat. He won't run because he wants to be thought of as a good coach.

You all are basically saying If you drop 8 back I am running with it because thats the only way I can get the first down, and that's all that matters.

What we play here is not straight football. Its "straighter" football.

I love this league and nothing is better, and I enjoy playing guys here more than lobby guys because its straigher, but when someone is about to lose their real true colors come out and I have scene it time and again here. So run with your Qb guys because winning is way more important to you than it is me.

i like you Dole , but this is ridiculous. I'm sure there are guys like that in the league it cant be avoided.

We're not the police here. I played you the other day....did it seem like i was doing "whatever it takes to win"...come on

Its video game football. lets not make it a chore

[VeniVediV1ci]

However, if someone is in man or deep zones and all my guys are covered I will not throw it away. If this is a "sim league"-simply throwing the ball away would be unrealistic.

It is also the defenses responsibility to know the opposing qb has speed and could conceivable run for a first down, so in turn, it's the defenses responsibility to spy the qb.

10/10 on that response, bigree.

Nolie,

you may get 100% on coach reports every season, but your answers suggest that you sacrifice realism in order to keep people from docking you points and i can't understand doing that. Now I'm not going to just scramble around in circles like the guys that use Zac Robinson or Tim Tebow do in lobby games, but we play to win the game and scrambling when it's open is something that should be encouraged because it happens in real life/it's stupid to try to pass when ppl are dropping 8 or 9 into zones/it may stop people from just dropping in zones all game long

[Dolemitesooner]

How am I being ridiculous? Your really not understanding what I am saying AJ. You didn't need to do anything shady against me because I suck ....lol.

I agree with you that it is a football game, and thats why I am in the league. If I hated it that much I would not be here. Not only do I like it I love it. The leagues is damn near perfect.

I have come to find out that nothing is perfect in life so you have to stick with things that are closer than other.

ndl> lobby games

Running with the Qb I do not agree with, and thatS my opinion. I never said you did shady shit like that or can I remember a time when you have against me, but people in the league do it, and they know they are doing it, and they do in situations when they need a big play and they are losing, or they need a big stop on Defense.

Its really a damned if you do damned if you don't kinda thing, because if you say anything about it your labeled a whiny bitch, and if you don't say anything about it your just keeping silent and agreeing in a way that it is ok.

I would love to take the silent route, but I am to stupid to keep my mouth shut and I say what I think.

I think running with the Qb if bogus and that's my opinion and it always has been. I don't hate other people if their opinion varies from mine but I should be allowed to state it just as much as the others.

Like I said I am in the minority in this league when it comes to these topics, and thats fine. I just want my thoughts to be heard on the subject is all.

You can listen or shit on me either way I am going to keep on playing because I love college football and I enjoy bantering with 99% of the guys here.

[VeniVediV1ci]

I suck and need to win more.

The guys that win are at the top or the draft

So run with your Qb guys because winning is way more important to you than it is me.

so basically you're complaining about never being at the top of the draft, yet your next post on this topic says you don't care about winning. Make up your mind, man, because open discussions about this hold a lot of weight no matter who says anything and that'll affect how people grade everyone