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jsence2 wrote:
shel311 wrote:Penalizing innocent people under the guise of sending a message is silly,to put it nicely.

It might be, but if they are condoning the actions of their teammates, are they truly innocent?
Was the entire team doing so?
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shel311 wrote:
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shel311 wrote:Penalizing innocent people under the guise of sending a message is silly,to put it nicely.

It might be, but if they are condoning the actions of their teammates, are they truly innocent?
Was the entire team doing so?
That's like saying "Was everyone at SMU guilty? Then they shouldn't have been given the death penalty"
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I disagree with that as well, fwiw.

But you didn't answer the question, was the entire team condoning the action?
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shel311 wrote:I disagree with that as well, fwiw.

But you didn't answer the question, was the entire team condoning the action?

I don't know Shel, why don't you contact each one of them and ask them? The ones who spoke out sure did. So did their parents.
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So you made up a reason to justify your opinion. Nice.
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I agree with shel here.
How do you know that the rest of the team are ok with what these 2 kids did?

You have no idea. So instead of being the judge, jury and executioner after seeing a 30 second clip, why don't you do justice and look into the matter more?

I will agree that those 2 kids should be banned from football for life.
You cannot tolerate that kind of thing if that truly was an intentional doing, but to forfeit their season and you have no idea if the coaches knew anything about it yet, come on man!

In the end, if the coaches knew or told them to do it, absolutely, fold their team up for the season or more and call it quits, but you have to have an investigation to find out more.
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I haven't seen any articles with interviews of players, parents, or coaches condoning what they did.
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jsence2 wrote:
shel311 wrote:Penalizing innocent people under the guise of sending a message is silly,to put it nicely.

It might be, but if they are condoning the actions of their teammates, are they truly innocent?
:?: what . . . .
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shel311 wrote:So you made up a reason to justify your opinion. Nice.

I didn't make up anything to justify anything. God you're a *#&%^@ brick wall
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You gave a reason, I asked if it were true, you said you didn't know.

Gee, crazy of me(and others who replied, to pull a trick out of your book) to think you made it up. :lol:
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Jason you said there teammates were supporting them on social media. Prove that point. SMU is irrelevant to the conversation. We're talking about violent act vs corruption. If the coach had said for these kids to do it, then the correlation could be used. But that needs to be proven first.
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Uuaww wrote:Jason you said there teammates were supporting them on social media. Prove that point. SMU is irrelevant to the conversation. We're talking about violent act vs corruption. If the coach had said for these kids to do it, then the correlation could be used. But that needs to be proven first.
It's not even that difficult in this specific instance, though definitely great points.

He said, "if the kids condone it, are they innocent", I asked if they were condoning it, which is about the most logical reply you can expect. Jason didn't know the answer to that.
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The_Niddler wrote:I agree with shel here.
How do you know that the rest of the team are ok with what these 2 kids did?

You have no idea. So instead of being the judge, jury and executioner after seeing a 30 second clip, why don't you do justice and look into the matter more?

I will agree that those 2 kids should be banned from football for life.
You cannot tolerate that kind of thing if that truly was an intentional doing, but to forfeit their season and you have no idea if the coaches knew anything about it yet, come on man!

In the end, if the coaches knew or told them to do it, absolutely, fold their team up for the season or more and call it quits, but you have to have an investigation to find out more.

If you take five minutes to read some of the articles on the topic (which we know Shel won't do), you'll see tweets and comments from teammates and parents trying to justify what they did. I don't care what the referee said, that isn't grounds for assault. File a complaint, and let the authorities handle it. Parents and players basically saying that it was justified due to racial slurs from the referee indicate that there is a culture there with that team/program that violence is justified if someone says the wrong thing
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autiger730 wrote:I haven't seen any articles with interviews of players, parents, or coaches condoning what they did.

The biggest one I saw was the starting QB of the team (who got ejected and whose teammates claimed he was the victim of a racial slur) tweeting out "This is for all the jay players and fans foreal..." If that isn't supporting the actions of teammates then I dunno what is. And when a parent says the actions in the video were "misconcieved"....um, sure. He tripped and fell over a piece of grass, and a concerned teammate rushed in and he also tripped.

Other tweets have been posted and since deleted (but documented, I have an article favorited on Twitter documenting some of them but cannot get to it right now), just search it on Twitter if you have time.
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jsence2 wrote:
autiger730 wrote:I haven't seen any articles with interviews of players, parents, or coaches condoning what they did.

The biggest one I saw was the starting QB of the team (who got ejected and whose teammates claimed he was the victim of a racial slur) tweeting out "This is for all the jay players and fans foreal..." If that isn't supporting the actions of teammates then I dunno what is. And when a parent says the actions in the video were "misconcieved"....um, sure. He tripped and fell over a piece of grass, and a concerned teammate rushed in and he also tripped.

Other tweets have been posted and since deleted (but documented, I have an article favorited on Twitter documenting some of them but cannot get to it right now), just search it on Twitter if you have time.
So a parent of a kid on the team says something stupid on social media; his kid's team should be disbanded?
So a kid of the team says something stupid on social media; his team should be disbanded?

This is like a player breaking the law and being kicked off the team. Under your argument, the team should be disbanded for the 1 mistake.

Unless the coaches or someone told them to do it, and it wasn't their own free will, the team should not suffer because of it.
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Uuaww wrote:
jsence2 wrote:
autiger730 wrote:I haven't seen any articles with interviews of players, parents, or coaches condoning what they did.

The biggest one I saw was the starting QB of the team (who got ejected and whose teammates claimed he was the victim of a racial slur) tweeting out "This is for all the jay players and fans foreal..." If that isn't supporting the actions of teammates then I dunno what is. And when a parent says the actions in the video were "misconcieved"....um, sure. He tripped and fell over a piece of grass, and a concerned teammate rushed in and he also tripped.

Other tweets have been posted and since deleted (but documented, I have an article favorited on Twitter documenting some of them but cannot get to it right now), just search it on Twitter if you have time.
So a parent of a kid on the team says something stupid on social media; his kid's team should be disbanded?
So a kid of the team says something stupid on social media; his team should be disbanded?

This is like a player breaking the law and being kicked off the team. Under your argument, the team should be disbanded for the 1 mistake.

Unless the coaches or someone told them to do it, and it wasn't their own free will, the team should not suffer because of it.

I didn't say the team should be disbanded. I said they should forfeit their season. They can return next year.

Again, it goes to culture and mentality. There are multiple other examples, I'm giving you the two that I remember clearly off the top of my head because they stood out and have been heavily reported. Look for yourself on Twitter and you'll see screenshots of more.

A kid breaking a law outside of the football field isn't the same as players assaulting a referee on the field. Stop acting like this is a kid who stole something from a store, it isn't.
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jsence2 wrote:
Uuaww wrote:
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autiger730 wrote:I haven't seen any articles with interviews of players, parents, or coaches condoning what they did.

The biggest one I saw was the starting QB of the team (who got ejected and whose teammates claimed he was the victim of a racial slur) tweeting out "This is for all the jay players and fans foreal..." If that isn't supporting the actions of teammates then I dunno what is. And when a parent says the actions in the video were "misconcieved"....um, sure. He tripped and fell over a piece of grass, and a concerned teammate rushed in and he also tripped.

Other tweets have been posted and since deleted (but documented, I have an article favorited on Twitter documenting some of them but cannot get to it right now), just search it on Twitter if you have time.
So a parent of a kid on the team says something stupid on social media; his kid's team should be disbanded?
So a kid of the team says something stupid on social media; his team should be disbanded?

This is like a player breaking the law and being kicked off the team. Under your argument, the team should be disbanded for the 1 mistake.

Unless the coaches or someone told them to do it, and it wasn't their own free will, the team should not suffer because of it.

I didn't say the team should be disbanded. I said they should forfeit their season. They can return next year.

Again, it goes to culture and mentality. There are multiple other examples, I'm giving you the two that I remember clearly off the top of my head because they stood out and have been heavily reported. Look for yourself on Twitter and you'll see screenshots of more.

A kid breaking a law outside of the football field isn't the same as players assaulting a referee on the field. Stop acting like this is a kid who stole something from a store, it isn't.
no it's the same as a kid assaulting another in a store. In a court of law, assault is assault regardless of where it is committed. location of said crime does not matter and a team forfeiting a season because of social media actions is stupid.
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I'm trying to find where Ted said or insinuated the incident wasn't that serious or attempted to downplay the extent of the crime.

I don't see that anywhere.
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Too bad there wasn't another camera angle of the coach when it happened. You'll never know if this was something the coach wanted done. The kids should be kicked out of school, make them go to an alternative school, and the city should charge them with assault. I would love to see where these 2 kids are 10 years from now, hopefully they understand the outrage behind this and reform their behavior
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I have zero problem with pressing charges and the two players paying whatever penalty is given to them. That will be for the courts, etc. to decide. I have a problem with suspending a team and whatnot for the actions of the two unless there is other evidence that it was more than an independent action of the two players.
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