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[GeorgesGoons]

so move... make it work.
my grandfather, along with most of our immigrant grandparents, would laugh in our faces if they heard what we were complaining about.

This is not the same world our grandparents grew up in. It's not just as simple as getting up and moving to a new place. Back then there was prosperity to move to. Not to mention in todays world wives work, do you force her to look for a job in a new place as well. Do I take the kids out of school? What is the cost of living in this new place? It takes a lot of money to move these days.

so make the fucking decisions that are best for your family!

shit dude, you want me to decide whats best for your family too?

Are you kidding? God you're so ignorant to what I'm trying to say. You say get up and move I point out that it's not that easy because you have decisions to make. You say make the decision but you really have no clue what it's like to make those decisions. So lets say you've made the decision to stay because your wives industry isn't hiring where you may (or may not) get a job. To me it seems like everything to some of you is black and white and I envy you're ability to see it that way, but despite what you think we live in grey fucked up world where bad things happen to good people and they deserved to be helped out regardless of a few that take advantage of it and have their hands out.

A few that take advantage of it?

You beat me to it, I'm sure the numbers are much higher than a few. When I think of a few I assume less than 5%. So I guess its a relative argument on what we all think is a few. I couldn't tell you how many Cadillacs were in the South Omaha Projects when I was growing up. I'd venture to say that at least 15% of the residence there had new/newer vehicles while getting a government handout. That is taking advantage of the system in my opinion.

[ReignOnU]

So you're saying that because someone is unemployed they should go fight in wars that they may feel is wrong or illegal. Not to mention what about the people that have preexisting conditions that can not join the military? Again something you're viewing as black and white without looking at all the variables.

What he did was gave you another option... which you didn't like, so you tried to spin it off with more hypothetical situations. Keep throwing crap out there and a few people with some logic and will power are going to keep coming up with solutions. Just because you want to make excuses (more situations), doesn't mean that its impossible. Trust me, there are more solutions than you have excuses.

[ReignOnU]

Okay so you just put yourself in a situation where you have to pay two rents. Again, you're not seeing past black and white

No, you're blinded by your own excuse. If the job you're going to acquire is paying you more than the rent (and other expenses) for the 2nd location, then this is a profitable scenario. That's basic math. Again, it might not be optimal, but it's still more.

[DRiccio21]

life is black and white to me.

you choose right over wrong all the time, you be loyal to your family and you do what it takes to support your family. thats it.

[GeorgesGoons]

And here is a little food for thought for all those people trying to find their way and get a job. If you are under 42 years old, join the military. Great health benefits and you are being a true "man" by supporting your family by any means necessary. I personally would work 3 shifts at fast food restaurants if that is what it took to take care of my family, so I don't want to hear any whining about not having a job. You may not have a job in the field you specialize in but for fucks sake, it'll put food on the table for your family.

WRONG!!!!!!!!! That's just to join the Army or National Guard.

Active duty Army - 42
Army Reserves - 42
Army Natinal Guard - 42
Active duty Air Force - 27
Air Force Reserve - 34
Air National guard - 34
Active duty Navy - 34
Navy Reserves - 39
Active duty Marines - 28
Marine Corps Reserves - 29
Active duty Coast Guard - 27
Coast Guard Reserves - 27

Then join the fucking Army if they can't find a job. My point was that there is another way than sitting on unemployment not providing for your family because you cant get a job doing what YOU want to do. Real men do whatever it takes to take care of their families, that was what I was getting at.

So you're saying that because someone is unemployed they should go fight in wars that they may feel is wrong or illegal. Not to mention what about the people that have preexisting conditions that can not join the military? Again something you're viewing as black and white without looking at all the variables.

That is not what I said or implied. Read the last two sentences and you'll see that my point was you should do anything and everything to support your family without assistance, that is what real men do. Black and White, no fucking grey. I also said I'd work 3 shifts at Burger King, hell even if you are mentally retarded you can work there.

And if you think the war in Afghanistan is wrong or illegal you SHOULD be deported to one of these muslim countries to see how well you have it here. Since you pluralized the word War. Iraq, I can see why some would think its illegal or feel its wrong, but when you have been there you can see that what we have done it has helped the populace as a whole. Now once we leave, I'm sure they are going to go back to their old dictatorship ways.

[trendon]

life is black and white to me.

you choose right over wrong all the time, you be loyal to your family and you do what it takes to support your family. thats it.

RACIST!

Hey, you know I am with you on this one, Dave. Pick your cliche: go down swinging, 100% of the shots you don't take don't go in, etc etc.

[brwnbear]

Okay so you just put yourself in a situation where you have to pay two rents. Again, you're not seeing past black and white

No, you're blinded by your own excuse. If the job you're going to acquire is paying you more than the rent (and other expenses) for the 2nd location, then this is a profitable scenario. That's basic math. Again, it might not be optimal, but it's still more.

You can live in your car or a shelter to save money. That guy from the will smith movie did it. Ask Trendon about it.

[ReignOnU]

You mean do something that is somewhat extreme bear? But.. but... but... my cell phone!

[trendon]

Okay so you just put yourself in a situation where you have to pay two rents. Again, you're not seeing past black and white

No, you're blinded by your own excuse. If the job you're going to acquire is paying you more than the rent (and other expenses) for the 2nd location, then this is a profitable scenario. That's basic math. Again, it might not be optimal, but it's still more.

You can live in your car or a shelter to save money. That guy from the will smith movie did it. Ask Trendon about it.

I am preparing to do it. My lease is up on December 1st and I have no contingency plan right now. I am making a lot of plans of the "Just In Case" variety and living in the back of my Escape is one of them. I might freeze my balls off but I won't go gently into that good night. Got a car, computer, and a mobile phone; I would still be in control.

[ReignOnU]

Here's another thing to note that I find funny about this... most of us aren't saying that this is going to be your permanent lifestyle. This is a temporary solution (3 months... 1-2yrs) until you find a better alternative.

[ReignOnU]

Okay so you just put yourself in a situation where you have to pay two rents. Again, you're not seeing past black and white

No, you're blinded by your own excuse. If the job you're going to acquire is paying you more than the rent (and other expenses) for the 2nd location, then this is a profitable scenario. That's basic math. Again, it might not be optimal, but it's still more.

You can live in your car or a shelter to save money. That guy from the will smith movie did it. Ask Trendon about it.

I am preparing to do it. My lease is up on December 1st and I have no contingency plan right now. I am making a lot of plans of the "Just In Case" variety and living in the back of my Escape is one of them. I might freeze my balls off but I won't go gently into that good night. Got a car, computer, and a mobile phone; I would still be in control.

LoL... well there goes my joke... apparently in Trendon's case this one is significant. Now if he tells me that he's hooking up a mobile Directv dish to watch the Sunday Ticket, I'll say he's gone too far.

[Shiftdnb]

Here's another thing to note that I find funny about this... most of us aren't saying that this is going to be your permanent lifestyle. This is a temporary solution (3 months... 1-2yrs) until you find a better alternative.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2 ... tion_N.htm
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/16/news/ec ... /index.htm
http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct ... r-new-job/
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/06/coll ... find-work/

[jsence2]

The family obligation that you have is to do what is necessary to acquire a job. Your relationship is a 'want,' like it or not. You and your other should both understand that without a job, that relationship is much more difficult. As for all of your issues (learning issues possibly excluded), that's why you do the right things on a day to day basis to prevent being in a terrible situation.

It's easy to say "move" when you don't have a mother with health issues that you need to stay nearby so you can help her in a moment's notice.

If it's that serious, then she can go with you. There is almost always an answer. The fact is, people are worried about what they want and what they think they need, not what they REALLY need.

Instead of making the difficult decisions in life, we'd rather sit around and look for a helping hand.

It is so easy for "others" to tell you what to do and tell you how easily it can be done....

1) My mother has fibromyalgia and has the VA and specialists here that she has to work with; she's lived here her whole life, she's one of the heads of the Louisville Metro MADD and has work here that is important to her. My sister and her husband live here; my aunt also lives here that my MOM helps take care of, she has Parkinsons. Should I move ALL of them with me to go find that dream job/situation I want? Do I also make my girlfriend move too? How about the people who rely on HER, do we take them too? Where does the line get drawn?

2) That relationship that I "wanted" was someone that I got engaged to and almost married; it kept me from going out and doing some of the internships or extra work in college that I might've done otherwise, but at that point I was doing what was right for my future. A relationship isn't a "want" for some people. In order to have a family to provide for, you must have a family! I didn't go to college "wanting" a relationship, I just stumbled into it and it became very important to me.

[ReignOnU]

Here's another thing to note that I find funny about this... most of us aren't saying that this is going to be your permanent lifestyle. This is a temporary solution (3 months... 1-2yrs) until you find a better alternative.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2 ... tion_N.htm
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/16/news/ec ... /index.htm
http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct ... r-new-job/
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/06/coll ... find-work/

More excuses? So what if 5% of the companies won't hire you if you're currently unemployed... are you going to let that stop you from taking care of your family?

[brwnbear]

1) My mother has fibromyalgia and has the VA and specialists here that she has to work with; she's lived here her whole life, she's one of the heads of the Louisville Metro MADD and has work here that is important to her. My sister and her husband live here; my aunt also lives here that my MOM helps take care of, she has Parkinsons. Should I move ALL of them with me to go find that dream job/situation I want? Do I also make my girlfriend move too? How about the people who rely on HER, do we take them too? Where does the line get drawn?

2) That relationship that I "wanted" was someone that I got engaged to and almost married; it kept me from going out and doing some of the internships or extra work in college that I might've done otherwise, but at that point I was doing what was right for my future. A relationship isn't a "want" for some people. In order to have a family to provide for, you must have a family! I didn't go to college "wanting" a relationship, I just stumbled into it and it became very important to me.

1. Sometime you need to "Earn" your dream job/situation. You are not entitled to it. Most of the time, that requires a lot of sacrifices. If its important, you will make those sacrifices. If its not, then you didnt deserve it.
2. What the Fuck are you talking about?

[Shiftdnb]

I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone, I'm just trying to show you guys that nothing is a black and white decision and you can't force your decisions on someone else cause you have no idea what it's like to be them. Now remember, I started out working for $150 dollars for a week so please don't think that I don't know what it's like to look for a job. I did the bullshit stuff, but at the time my gf had a good job and she was able to pay the rent. Many families aren't afforded the luxuries of easy choices.

[ReignOnU]

The family obligation that you have is to do what is necessary to acquire a job. Your relationship is a 'want,' like it or not. You and your other should both understand that without a job, that relationship is much more difficult. As for all of your issues (learning issues possibly excluded), that's why you do the right things on a day to day basis to prevent being in a terrible situation.

It's easy to say "move" when you don't have a mother with health issues that you need to stay nearby so you can help her in a moment's notice.

If it's that serious, then she can go with you. There is almost always an answer. The fact is, people are worried about what they want and what they think they need, not what they REALLY need.

Instead of making the difficult decisions in life, we'd rather sit around and look for a helping hand.

It is so easy for "others" to tell you what to do and tell you how easily it can be done....

1) My mother has fibromyalgia and has the VA and specialists here that she has to work with; she's lived here her whole life, she's one of the heads of the Louisville Metro MADD and has work here that is important to her. My sister and her husband live here; my aunt also lives here that my MOM helps take care of, she has Parkinsons. Should I move ALL of them with me to go find that dream job/situation I want? Do I also make my girlfriend move too? How about the people who rely on HER, do we take them too? Where does the line get drawn?

2) That relationship that I "wanted" was someone that I got engaged to and almost married; it kept me from going out and doing some of the internships or extra work in college that I might've done otherwise, but at that point I was doing what was right for my future. A relationship isn't a "want" for some people. In order to have a family to provide for, you must have a family! I didn't go to college "wanting" a relationship, I just stumbled into it and it became very important to me.

1.) This is all a series of decisions. Your sister and husband need to fend for themselves, like it or not. If your mom needs your assistance, she certainly shouldn't be expected to provide assistance for your aunt. And these are both scenarios that a good case worker would be able to help with. As I said, I hate welfare and unemployment, but I'm a firm supporter of Medicare... though I'm not thrilled with it's current state. My wife is an LSW that works with the Elderly as a Passport Case Manager... both your Mother and Aunt would be well taken care of under this system. So that just leaves YOU to make the decision to separate your WANTing to be near all of these people, versus your NEED to be near them if something were to happen with your job.

2.) WANT. That's the end of it. You had/have your priorities out of line. That goes back to doing things right on a day to day basis.

[ReignOnU]

I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone, I'm just trying to show you guys that nothing is a black and white decision and you can't force your decisions on someone else cause you have no idea what it's like to be them. Now remember, I started out working for $150 dollars for a week so please don't think that I don't know what it's like to look for a job. I did the bullshit stuff, but at the time my gf had a good job and she was able to pay the rent. Many families aren't afforded the luxuries of easy choices.

It is black and white, which is why we've provided you with alternatives for each of your BS scenarios. And we never said anything about easy choices... the choices are very hard. Which goes back to the fact that our sad society doesn't want to make those hard choices, they'd rather just wait for someone to give them a solution.

[jsence2]

If its important, you will make those sacrifices. If its not, then you didnt deserve it.

So because I am not willing to abandon the person who took care of me for 18 years and sacrificed HER military career to get us away from my father and protect me, in order for me to go "earn" or "find" my dream job.....I don't deserve it?

I'm sorry, I like you Gabe....but that's one of the most selfish and ignorant things I've ever read in my life. I've got nothing more to say on this topic, that kind of comment is one of the major reasons why this nation is in the situation it is today.

[DRiccio21]

If its important, you will make those sacrifices. If its not, then you didnt deserve it.

So because I am not willing to abandon the person who took care of me for 18 years and sacrificed HER military career to get us away from my father and protect me, in order for me to go "earn" or "find" my dream job.....I don't deserve it?

I'm sorry, I like you Gabe....but that's one of the most selfish and ignorant things I've ever read in my life. I've got nothing more to say on this topic, that kind of comment is one of the major reasons why this nation is in the situation it is today.

no, its called life.

you make choices and balance pro's and con's.

i had to move away from my parents, i moved to NYC, then Miami. i've missed alot of things in their lives, i miss my neice and nephew on a daily basis. but to me, helping support them and easing their mind after them raising me for 17 years is worth it.

i go see them when i can and i call constantly. its not ideal by any means... i feel guilty about it sometimes... but i've been able to bail them out of many difficult situations and with technology i probably see them via skype as much as i would if i lived in the same town. its a really hard decision i had to make. i always planned on making as much as i could now and then when they need me, i'd move back. thats the decision I made.

you have to make decisions in life, some are harder than others. but its never anyone elses fault... its always on you and there is always a solution.