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Realignment will be fun!!!

Restart was officially voted against.

Boston draft was voted down.

Realignment vote coming up again soon.

Come on guys, give me something unless we are just bored and our time has come.

Cnasty wrote:what has changed to make it so not fun?

An 88 win team actually had a chance to win the world series if their team got hot at the right time. I think most don't see that happening again, at least on '18.

Cnasty wrote:Restart was officially voted against.

Boston draft was voted down.

Realignment vote coming up again soon.

Come on guys, give me something unless we are just bored and our time has come.

It's the same one or two people saying it's not fun any more. Maybe they should step away from the game for a while. My guess is they'd be back soon.

GeorgesGoons wrote:

Cnasty wrote:what has changed to make it so not fun?

An 88 win team actually had a chance to win the world series if their team got hot at the right time. I think most don't see that happening again, at least on '18.

Boston hasn't won the last 5 championships so getting hot at the right time still works for other teams

To me it's been the shift in injury frequency been 18 and our prior version. I have contracts I gave out before the switch that I would never have offered if I knew how 18 handled injuries. That's not something we did, it's how the hand changed. But at least in my case it's a major impact - a lot of money tied up for several more years.

Having 6-7 opening day players out for the rest of the year and 5-6 other players constantly DTD (and the continuing saga of guys that are "unknown" for what seems like forever) makes it hard to be 'into' the game a the moment.

Where's Ted when we need someone to compare long term injury times in our league vs real life?

I know that doesn't change Dak's argument at all, but it would still be interesting to note if we're in the realm of real life injury times.

I hate the injuries too, but the settings are the same for everyone . . . .

I've been absolutely hammered with key injuries....im still enjoying it.

The change to '18 is no different than the changes to any other version.

ratings on guys you think were studs change, injury duration changes, scouting changes, etc etc, etc

its always something....just roll with it

Cnasty wrote:Restart was officially voted against.

Boston draft was voted down.

Realignment vote coming up again soon.

Come on guys, give me something unless we are just bored and our time has come.

When did we vote on Restart last? It used to come up a lot, but I may have missed the last one.

I think this would be the first time I'd consider voting for it.

Realignment just moves people around, to chase the same few teams from a new spot and gives Ted a few new guys to take off his no trade list

Boston draft was a stupid idea IMO. I applaud you for being willing to do it to help, or any of the times you've offered to step down and just commish, but getting rid of your team for being good is just silly.

HOW DID WE GET HERE?

I think a culmination of all of the years of random small hiccups and such has finally gotten us to a point of groundhog day.

-Bear
-IFA's and "steroids"
-Draft compensation
-Realignment after realignment after realignment
-Coaches, no coaches, some coaches
-Draft pick trading
-Super teams
-Too many good free agents, not enough good free agents
-Commishes always being good blah blah blah

I think all of those things have finally put us in a spot where we're just blah. Boring. Rinse repeat Boston wins or maybe they don't but they totally should have...

I honestly don't think a league was meant to last this long. I think we've done a great job of making it as far as we have, overcoming all of the things I listed above and more. I think its got to be one of the top OOTP leagues in terms of longevity, but I have no clue what they've got going on over there.

WHAT CAN WE DO?

At this point I think the only thing that saves us is a restart. Take all the lessons learned, the settings, etc, and just start over with new players. People can keep their teams (logos, locations, etc) if they want, but reset stadiums, coaches, players, etc. Have a realignment to start it off, so people that care about that can pick that as well.

Let people draft a whole organization or however deep an initial draft goes
Use Stats+ and do it live over a week or so (no rush, lets get it right)
Keep our settings the same
Keep (or don't) stadiums
Drop dead teams - Start with 20, 22, 24 etc. If we get commited, active owners, we can consider expanding. I think it's better to have a waiting list of hungry guys than 3-4 teams who don't give a shit and never ever export and then try to fill those teams with new guys who come in behind the 8 ball

WHY WOULD PEOPLE WANT THIS?

People likely leave or lose interest for 1 or 2 reasons

Can't win, don't think they can win, don't want to put in the effort to win

or

Don't have time

"Don't have time" doesn't mean there isn't time in the day. If you WANT to do something, you make time. If the thing is worth doing, you make time.

*FULL DISCLOSURE ON MY PARTICIPATION*

I have way less time than I used to. I travel a lot for work, 14-20 days at time, but I can still make time for things I really want to do. Right now, that ends up being my madden league and playing NHL on ps4. I bring my ps4 with me on trips etc. This league just doesn't do it for me anymore. And that's up to me. That's no ones fault, but if the league was the way it used to be, I know I'd still be spending my time on it. I still have a decent (meh) minors, and can still apparently hang around the playoff picture without really trying. So I know that if I wanted to put in the effort, and ask about trades, etc, I could get back to being a 90 game team and get a lottery ticket to maybe beat Boston. But that just doesn't excite me, so my participation has faded off. That's not the leagues fault, that's just how it is. I now choose to spend my time doing other things. Maybe if I hadn't gotten a title, or made the playoffs 17 straight years or whatever it was I did, maybe that fire would still be there.

Can't win, don't win, don't want to try comes from either not knowing the game well, not putting the time in. Omaha, Seattle, Indy. Teams that haven't been historically great, but made it happen by working hard, even for just a short period of time.

But a lot of people may not currently feel that there's a reason to try hard, because Boston. Boston is there. We ALL made Boston. Corey went after it, we all fueled it, and we keep stoking the fire. So Boston is who we thought they were. But they're still there. Some people just don't feel like trying, which makes it even easier for Boston because they can still get the pieces they need from people who are trying, or offer up a tasty stud for someone trying to find a quick fix. Nothing wrong with it. It is what it is.

There's no denying that league interest is down. If someone has an argument that it is, page counts, etc. Let me know. Maybe it's just me.

I think a Restart would actually make sense for the first time in our history, and I don't think that it's a bad idea. I actually am somewhat excited by that possibility, but again, I think it takes 18-20 votes from the league, instead of just 50%.

Give it a read. See what you guys think.

ajalves wrote:I hate the injuries too, but the settings are the same for everyone . . . .

I've been absolutely hammered with key injuries....im still enjoying it.

The change to '18 is no different than the changes to any other version.

ratings on guys you think were studs change, injury duration changes, scouting changes, etc etc, etc

its always something....just roll with it

Agreed, just stating why I'm less "into it" this season.

Once I get passed what is now essentially dead money because of the change in injury frequency, I'll be right back in there with interest level. So 2-3 more seasons...

Probably your best post to date Seeit

Cnasty wrote:Probably your best post to date Seeit

except for the fact he is a proponent of a restart after saying he's lost interest in the game.

unless I am reading it wrong.

fact of the matter is we are all getting older and have other responsibilities

'free' time is somewhat limited for everyone

Including the commish “wasting” 30 minutes each morning before getting kids and himself ready for work/school for a league that seems to be dying.

Don’t take that the wrong way. I’ve done it for years and love doing it but now a days it seems I’m doing it for 5 guys and no entertainment.

I don’t like playing with myself.

Cnasty wrote: I don’t like playing with myself.

You'd get used to it if you were deployed

I think immersion is down mainly because what AJ said, we're all older and have responsibilities.

I also think though that the doom and gloom and the league is dying and should we scrap it talk is wayyyyyy premature at this point. I'm confident even now with lower immersion, we're still one of the more active OOTP leagues out there.

I don't think that we should restart and I still enjoy OOTP as much as ever. I trade less but that is more so because I see less guys I want.

I would be 100% against a restart, but would be willing to just sim 10-15 seasons into the future... we get to keep our history but we all start fresh.

shel311 wrote:I think immersion is down mainly because what AJ said, we're all older and have responsibilities.

I also think though that the doom and gloom and the league is dying and should we scrap it talk is wayyyyyy premature at this point. I'm confident even now with lower immersion, we're still one of the more active OOTP leagues out there.

I don't think he was saying scrap it (unless I read it wrong). Just restart it, contract some teams that don't want to keep going and move on.

Uuaww wrote:I don't think that we should restart and I still enjoy OOTP as much as ever. I trade less but that is more so because I see less guys I want.

I would be 100% against a restart, but would be willing to just sim 10-15 seasons into the future... we get to keep our history but we all start fresh.

Interesting take on a restart(ish).

I'm all for a restart if I can get a new owner. Or sim 10-15 season if I can get a new owner. Or even the chance at a new owner via a random draft. I just want Wade Boggs Jr. to die or sell

GeorgesGoons wrote:

shel311 wrote:I think immersion is down mainly because what AJ said, we're all older and have responsibilities.

I also think though that the doom and gloom and the league is dying and should we scrap it talk is wayyyyyy premature at this point. I'm confident even now with lower immersion, we're still one of the more active OOTP leagues out there.

I don't think he was saying scrap it (unless I read it wrong). Just restart it, contract some teams that don't want to keep going and move on.

Corey's dropping hints at it, but then again, probably just doing so out of frustration.

sigh, year i was clearly gonna win and this happens