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the only thing to the conspiracies is.. if it was inside, how did they have more bombs and shit in the car while driving away? unless those were made up?

whats funny is, at first a lot of the internet like 4chan and reddit thought those 2 were the guys who did it. eerie.

Cnasty wrote:For you conspiracy lovers

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content ... 7666.shtml

For some reason, I get the feeling you don't read my posts

jsence2 wrote:With the photos of guys from Craft International being at the marathon around the time of the bombing, and all the holes in the story of what went down, and now wanting to suspend his right to counsel....things are just starting to really make me uneasy about all this. I scoffed at all of this because I thought there'd never be any way that this could be legit. But now, the questions are piling up in my mind, and their rush to interrogate him and suspending his rights, it's just making me start to wonder about things. Sadly, few will, and if there IS something going on, they'll get away with it.

Interesting because I didn't see you post that article

nick wrote:the only thing to the conspiracies is.. if it was inside, how did they have more bombs and shit in the car while driving away? unless those were made up?

Nick, we heard that they had them. We heard the explosions. But it's amazing that, for most police chases, they release the cop car camera video of things like this.

What are the odds that we never ever see any of those videos?

The three biggest questions I have:

1) Why did the FBI focus so much on the photos that are referenced in that article (the guy whose face you can't see but you can see his hat and his backpack, and the wire in his ear) leading up to Friday, then they suddenly went away from it?

2) Why did they release fuzzy, unfocused photos of the two "suspects" on Friday afternoon when there were enhanced, clearer photos that they'd already shown before that, and that were online? Why did they wait until the height of the "chase" Thursday night/Friday morning to release "enhanced" photos?

3) Why did they open fire on the boat with over 150 rounds of ammunition when the kid had no weapons left to fight with and never even indicated that he was threatening them (he did nothing when they told him to come out), and then--only after the media rushed to the scene--did they stop firing and suddenly want to "take him alive"? You unloaded an entire arsenal into the boat and THEN you decide you want to try to take him alive? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

jsence2 wrote:

OracleHCR wrote:

OracleHCR wrote: As far as you know he became an American citizen just to guarantee him the rights that you want to grant him with the intention of committing this act.

“They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”

Yep. Let's give them all lawyers so they don't have to talk. Who knows what else this sleeper cell is planning. There could be something on the horizon (or there could be nothing) but let's find out before giving the same rights that they hate us for and scorn but will use to beat the system.
Sorry. I've been reading a lot of Vince Flynn novels.

Sorry Otis, I understand where you're coming from, but I'm a Constitutionalist, and the founding fathers wrote the Constitution with checks and balances, and they wrote the Bill of Rights for a reason. The moment you allow the government to suspend any of those rights, you've given them the right to do it forever.

This is EXACTLY why a government would use a "false flag" operation--to pull off something so heinous that the people would say "well in THIS instance it's ok, we understand", and bam....the government has their "well, we did it before" moment. But people think about this stuff emotionally and in the now, rather than as what the future consequences would be, and therein lies the problem.

Trust me, emotionally I'd love to see this guy butchered and get no rights at all. But he IS an American citizen. Even people who have been charged and convicted of treason in the past have gotten basic rights.

I am not saying he should not get his day in court, but the moment you commit a terrorist act like this, your constitutional rights go out the window, in my opinion.
If they believe he did not act alone, I would water board his ass till he tells me everything.
If that doesn't work, torture!

People will say it is unconstitutional or inhumane, fuck that, what he did was inhumane.
He took innocent peoples lives and some that did not die, their life is changed forever.
Missing limbs and things, they will never be the same.

and if this is true:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ng-1844844

I would have every one of their names because I would slowly torture him till he speaks.

I am a firm believer in an eye for an eye and I really do believe that if this country had more harsh penalties for actions like this, less crimes like this would be committed.
Torture this little fucker till he tells you why and who, then give him his fair trial for all the people like jsence.

And innocent till proven guilty?
If he was not involved, then why did he get in an SUV and bust through a police barracade?
Why did he shoot back at police?

As soon as you open fire on police, your constitutional rights should go out the window.
When a cop says freeze, you freeze or you deserve whatever you get.

Don't break the law and you won't have to be in a situation where you could be tortured.

jsence2 wrote: 3) Why did they open fire on the boat with over 150 rounds of ammunition when the kid had no weapons left to fight with and never even indicated that he was threatening them (he did nothing when they told him to come out), and then--only after the media rushed to the scene--did they stop firing and suddenly want to "take him alive"? You unloaded an entire arsenal into the boat and THEN you decide you want to try to take him alive? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

Seriously?

The kid commits an act of terrorism and the night before shoots back at police and we do not know if it was he or his brother that murdered the cop and you want to ask why they were unloading 150 rounds at the boat?

nick wrote:question: russia inquired about these 2, 2 years ago. Im assuming even if cleared the FBI would keep this shit on file no? So when they first saw pics, wouldnt they have been able to recognize them, see theyd been questioned before and then went and got them without releasing the info? I mean, the kids were partying the night of it so if they ambushed I doubt they would of got far.

Im under the assumption that they keep stuff like that on file.

Now that's a solid question.

The_Niddler wrote:

jsence2 wrote:

OracleHCR wrote:

OracleHCR wrote: As far as you know he became an American citizen just to guarantee him the rights that you want to grant him with the intention of committing this act.

“They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”

Yep. Let's give them all lawyers so they don't have to talk. Who knows what else this sleeper cell is planning. There could be something on the horizon (or there could be nothing) but let's find out before giving the same rights that they hate us for and scorn but will use to beat the system.
Sorry. I've been reading a lot of Vince Flynn novels.

Sorry Otis, I understand where you're coming from, but I'm a Constitutionalist, and the founding fathers wrote the Constitution with checks and balances, and they wrote the Bill of Rights for a reason. The moment you allow the government to suspend any of those rights, you've given them the right to do it forever.

This is EXACTLY why a government would use a "false flag" operation--to pull off something so heinous that the people would say "well in THIS instance it's ok, we understand", and bam....the government has their "well, we did it before" moment. But people think about this stuff emotionally and in the now, rather than as what the future consequences would be, and therein lies the problem.

Trust me, emotionally I'd love to see this guy butchered and get no rights at all. But he IS an American citizen. Even people who have been charged and convicted of treason in the past have gotten basic rights.

I am not saying he should not get his day in court, but the moment you commit a terrorist act like this, your constitutional rights go out the window, in my opinion.
If they believe he did not act alone, I would water board his ass till he tells me everything.
If that doesn't work, torture!

People will say it is unconstitutional or inhumane, fuck that, what he did was inhumane.
He took innocent peoples lives and some that did not die, their life is changed forever.
Missing limbs and things, they will never be the same.

and if this is true:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ng-1844844

I would have every one of their names because I would slowly torture him till he speaks.

I am a firm believer in an eye for an eye and I really do believe that if this country had more harsh penalties for actions like this, less crimes like this would be committed.
Torture this little fucker till he tells you why and who, then give him his fair trial for all the people like jsence.

And innocent till proven guilty?
If he was not involved, then why did he get in an SUV and bust through a police barracade?
Why did he shoot back at police?

As soon as you open fire on police, your constitutional rights should go out the window.
When a cop says freeze, you freeze or you deserve whatever you get.

Don't break the law and you won't have to be in a situation where you could be tortured.

Terrorists win.

one thing i dont understand. All night theyre throwing bombs, shooting back, trying to survive, he gets away and when they catch him hes suddenly unarmed? What did he do with his guns? decided half way through the day when most wanted that having a gun to fight back was useless?

furthermore, i mean, I dont know whats going through his head but I would rather kill myself than be tortured by the US lol. I would of 100% kept 1 bullet in a handgun if worst came to worst.

then you get these pics

The_Niddler wrote:

jsence2 wrote: 3) Why did they open fire on the boat with over 150 rounds of ammunition when the kid had no weapons left to fight with and never even indicated that he was threatening them (he did nothing when they told him to come out), and then--only after the media rushed to the scene--did they stop firing and suddenly want to "take him alive"? You unloaded an entire arsenal into the boat and THEN you decide you want to try to take him alive? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

Seriously?

The kid commits an act of terrorism and the night before shoots back at police and we do not know if it was he or his brother that murdered the cop and you want to ask why they were unloading 150 rounds at the boat?

whats funny is this is the reason they need rights. YOU have NO idea if they did this. You werent in Boston, you werent at the scene, you weren't at the shootout, you weren't anywhere ever during this process to make such a claim. You're accepting what you hear on TV based off government organizations, and "pictures". For all we know they could of staged the whole thing. Did they ever show the video of him apparently dropping the backpack? I googled it and didnt find it but they said they had it.

then u got this

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lates ... 0f31a.html

Mass. governor: Video shows Boston bombing suspect dodging blast

People stick around to watch their own bombs explode?? So they can... dodge the shit and avoid death!?!?! cmon now.

Anyways, thats why he needs rights, cause wack jobs like you would just start shooting and taking anyones right away who looked incorrect. Its a due process.

I could be wrong, but I assume video of them dropping the backpack won't be made public since it will be used as evidence. Had they both died, we likely would have seen the video much sooner than we will now.

You guys are really conspiracy theorists. He and his brother fucking did it. They had an eye witness that got his legs blown off. Unless of course you think that guy works for the government is going the extra mile for his employers.

Anyone who discounts conspiracy theories is just as ignorant and delusional as the ones that have them.

OracleHCR wrote:You guys are really conspiracy theorists. He and his brother fucking did it. They had an eye witness that got his legs blown off. Unless of course you think that guy works for the government is going the extra mile for his employers.

the eye witness had the backpack thrown at HIS LEGS. then it blew up, NOT KILLING HIM but taking out just his legs? some bomb

OracleHCR wrote:You guys are really conspiracy theorists. He and his brother fucking did it. They had an eye witness that got his legs blown off. Unless of course you think that guy works for the government is going the extra mile for his employers.

That guy took one for the team!!!

nick wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

In this day of instant media when literally anyone can upload pictures and videos I have a very hard time something like this could be kept quiet enough to be pulled off.

jason i will bet you anything the craft guys had nothing to do with it. why would they advertise their company and stick out when they are doing something like this? from all the speculation i read they were working private security for the marathon and apparently just didnt do a very good job. the infowars pics purposely left off time stamps and put the pics out of chronological order because the guy that was by bomb site 1, still has his backpack AFTER. then they have a pic of all them meeting together after, hmmm sounds like something they would radio to each other in their ear pieces so they could rally and see if every is okay, or help or whatever they did. thats the biggest conspiracy i was hearing before the whole manhunt. now the only conspiracy i can think of would be something along the lines of eagle eye the movie, where "the man" taught and got these guys to do it, then gave them guns and told them to fight it out and run... lol not likely