Poll Creation Issues/Topics.

[Boston_Rob]

Things I am considering while creating the poll:

If we have 30 voting members we have two options for vote count.

1. Majority would require 16 votes to pass.

2. Two Thirds would require 20 votes to pass.

We have had a lot of people saying they are good with the league decides. Do we create a poll vote option for those people to add their votes to the Majority?

I think this vote should be a Two Thirds of the league since it is a major change. I also think moving forward we should base our votes on Majority or the 2/3 Method. I know not everyone always votes but we can take the number of people that vote and do a Majority method or 2/3 method based upon number of voters.

Current Options

1. Complete Restart = NDL 2.0
2. Sim forward 10 years
3. Stay the course.

I think option 2 is kind of a bust and will cause more issues than not.

I will post the poll tonight or tomorrow morning depending how much traction this post gets. Let me know what you think and if there is anything else I should consider.

[kdog36]

Relegation not worth a topic to vote on?

should all options not be considered and available to vote...

[Boston_Rob]

Relegation not worth a topic to vote on?

should all options not be considered and available to vote...

That’s why I made this thread. To make sure I didn’t forget anything.

[Boston_Rob]

Just to be clear you mean relegation like soccer style?

[GeorgesGoons]

Just to be clear you mean relegation like soccer style?

Yes

[Cnasty]

I’m not a fan of the relegation idea for this league.

And not to influence votes but I’d probably not commish that style league.

[kdog36]

Just to be clear you mean relegation like soccer style?

yes 30 teams (or however many) top half and a bottom half . top 5 of lower half go up and bottom 5 of top half move down each season.

someone mentioned this in another thread.

[Ry]

1)no on relegation for me
2)Is the restart using the history and we start anew as our current team?
3) or completely FRESH restart?
4) stay the course- if we do this - are there tweeks that might enhance our league we could make without adding difficulty to Corey's schedule?

[Boston_Rob]

Just to be clear you mean relegation like soccer style?

yes 30 teams (or however many) top half and a bottom half . top 5 of lower half go up and bottom 5 of top half move down each season.

someone mentioned this in another thread.

Do you want Relegation and a Restart or just Relegation with the current league. Personally I think this would tear apart the league more than it already may be. Also I can imagine this would be a nightmare to commish. I can imagine all of the player issues that would stem from this. Also, how would the draft work? Would both leagues get shots at the same FA pool? Can you only trade with the lower league teams? I just don't see this working out at all.

But for voting purposes I want to know what kind of Relegation you want in the poll.

[Boston_Rob]

1)no on relegation for me
2)Is the restart using the history and we start anew as our current team?
3) or completely FRESH restart?
4) stay the course- if we do this - are there tweeks that might enhance our league we could make without adding difficulty to Corey's schedule?

I think we should vote first then figure out the details later. If we vote and Restart passes then we can discuss the details further like points 2 and 3.

Number 4 will take a group effort to see what is best for the league rather than bitching and moaning about every little thing people could propose some actually ideas that would help with issues. Not to pick on George but the Owners topic or Rule V which in my eyes is always a disaster.

[Wasted Memory]

I think it's the details that are going to control how people vote, not really sure you can wait until after the vote to get details....

[kdog36]

I just threw the relegation out there as someone mentioned it as an option. I do like the idea but if too much trouble then leave it out

I have no skin in this vote. I cant even do shit with the budget or lack there of that I have.

I will vote for a restart 100% so me knowing details is irrelevant. You guys that know all about the guts of the game know what problems we will have or wont have.

[Boston_Rob]

I think it's the details that are going to control how people vote, not really sure you can wait until after the vote to get details....

Restart in my eyes has two options with the same outcome.

Either we keep the history and retire everyone and then start fresh with our "old teams" or we start a brand new file and new league.

I am in favor of the latter, I think if Corey Retires everyone and creates a new draft with new players things will get jacked up somehow.

Either way, Wasted, its going to be a restart with new teams and new players, you either want that or don't the details of which can be sorted out later.

[Wasted Memory]

Don't think you're necessarily following what I'm saying.

Which way the restart goes will be important. For example, if you keep the history then someone like Riccio might vote for a restart. Decide to do a complete refresh and you would now swing his vote to no restart.

That's not something that should be decided after the fact.

[Boston_Rob]

Don't think you're necessarily following what I'm saying.

Which way the restart goes will be important. For example, if you keep the history then someone like Riccio might vote for a restart. Decide to do a complete refresh and you would now swing his vote to no restart.

That's not something to should be decided after the fact.

History will either be saved in the old file or the new file. I don't really think it matters that much tbh.

Does that make sense?

I don't think there will be anything different with starting a new Fresh file or retiring everyone and starting with new players. Other than the new players not being able to break records I guess? But how realistic is that for the history? Everyone just retired? Marino may be the best hitter the league will ever see and just retired?

Just some brain dump from me Wasted, I am not trying to be a dick.

[kdog36]

full restart and still keep your team name with all logos. I am sure someone in this group can excel file all the history and records for everyones enjoyment via google or some shit like that. Or maybe use SKYPE to video it every once in a while.

[Wasted Memory]

Just some brain dump from me Wasted, I am not trying to be a dick.

I'm not calling you one. We're supposed to be discussing the options, right?

[Wasted Memory]

Maybe I'm confused on what a "restart" is.

I thought the talk along this path had been either:

1) Complete refresh. Start with completely new players, new teams in the year 2018.

or

2) Retire all current players and do a new draft continuing on with our current teams in the year 2052.

Is this not what the current restart options are?

[Boston_Rob]

Maybe I'm confused on what a "restart" is.

I thought the talk along this path had been either:

1) Complete refresh. Start with completely new players, new teams in the year 2018.

or

2) Retire all current players and do a new draft continuing on with our current teams in the year 2052.

Is this not what the current restart options are?

Why not vote for a Restart and if that wins we decide what kind of restart we are doing?

[Wasted Memory]

I'll again defer to my example of Riccio. Some guys are not interested in losing the history. I understand what you're saying, that it would either be A or B. But those not willing to lose the history may not be willing to take the chance that the vote for keeping history would win after a restart vote had passed.

Maybe, in the poll, if you listed both options that would work but I feel like that's a win for me because now you are deciding the details


Ultimately, I guess, I just don't see what the harm is in deciding the details now versus later. You know how our voting always goes. There will be someone, after the fact, not happy because it wasn't explained the way it is happening.