Late Pitch?

ChampDizzle · Post by **ChampDizzle** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:33 am

is it still prominent in the game? What is it? How do you guys feel about it?

I always thought that once the QB was heading down or being hit after that was considered a late pitch. I thought it was a gray area anyways just wanted to know what you guys think.

Post by **BFiVL** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:42 am

ChampDizzle wrote:is it still prominent in the game? What is it? How do you guys feel about it?

I always thought that once the QB was heading down or being hit after that was considered a late pitch. I thought it was a gray area anyways just wanted to know what you guys think.

Not as bad as last years game but still there. I dont fault who I play when it happens cause sometimes more often than not, they mash on that button way before contact and the late pitch still comes out. Its just something shitty you gotta live with but at least the Pick off an option pitch is back in the game to help the defense.

pounddarock · Post by **pounddarock** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:53 am

In reality, an option is ran to perfection when the QB can pitch the ball upon immediate impact of being hit. Here is the "issue" I think too many guys have in this game with the option:

As someone who enjoys NCAA over Madden because of the option, I like to use it. Unfortunately too many guys whine about it how EA has it play out on the field.
Trying to run the option correctly (as close to reality as possible), one should wait until the last minute to hit the pitch button...this is when they feel their QB getting hit. (see above info)
The problem with this is that it is a video game, and EA loves them some animations. So what might be a perfect timed pitch according to the player behind the offensive controls turns out to be a delayed or "late" pitch while the animation of the QB first must be spun around by the defender/thrown toward the ground/wrapped up AND THEN YOU SEE THE BALL SHOOT OUT OF HIS ASS.

I stand behind that this is NOT the doing of the player controlling the timing of the pitch. I've tried to pitch AFTER the QB was actually wrapped up and two things happen: he doesn't pitch at all or it simply falls to the ground as a fumble.

Therefore, I do not believe that there is a "late" pitch in which a player controlling the offense should be "knocked for". Being the beneficiary of a delayed pitch (after animation) is no different than getting an interception from a lobbed pass while the QB is being hit, or getting an interception while the ball is going through a WRs hands, or getting a fumble recovery on a punt return because the animation of the fair catch takes too long to start to actually count after you've hit the button 5 times before your PR gets hit. (you all have been there I'm sure).

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Yragha1 · Post by **Yragha1** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:56 am

Hate it.

My opponent gets one (1) freebie a game, after that I'm docking them. Simple as that. Same thing goes for people that use the aggressive play calling all game, if I see jump the snap every play you better be ready for it on the coaches report.

I don't see any change or improvements that have been made from last year. QB's still pitch the ball from behind, when their on the ground and when half the team is in front of them. Some may disagree, and say that it's in the game so it should be free use I don't see it that way. If that's the case open up all the cheesing plays and be done with it.

Good day!

Daw1git · Post by **Daw1git** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:01 pm

pounddarock wrote: I stand behind that this is NOT the doing of the player controlling the timing of the pitch. I've tried to pitch AFTER the QB was actually wrapped up and two things happen: he doesn't pitch at all or it simply falls to the ground as a fumble.

try stiff arm for the contact then pitch

pounddarock · Post by **pounddarock** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:04 pm

Yragha1 wrote:Hate it.

My opponent gets one (1) freebie a game, after that I'm docking them. Simple as that. Same thing goes for people that use the aggressive play calling all game, if I see jump the snap every play you better be ready for it on the coaches report.

I don't see any change or improvements that have been made from last year. QB's still pitch the ball from behind, when their on the ground and when half the team is in front of them. Some may disagree, and say that it's in the game so it should be free use I don't see it that way. If that's the case open up all the cheesing plays and be done with it.

Good day!

Disagree 100%...this opinion usually comes from someone who either
1. Doesn't use the option
2. Doesn't understand the option
3. Is way too obsessed about what the "other guy" is doing and not trying to enjoy the game.

I have yet to see the "delayed" pitch multiple times in this year game and it is 100% not 'cheese'. Have you never played against someone that actually takes advance of the A.I.? I guess you dock points for everything then...if a guy intercepts the pass after a QB "knock down" animation lob pass, or any of the other multiple things that is out of the users control...

..I'm only docking for guys that break the rules or don't vary their gameplay. That's what the reports are for...to keep guys that actually "cheese" or run the money play accountable.

Post by **BFiVL** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:13 pm

Last year was a big problem for the pitch cause the AI was horrible on Late pitches, I have only seen a handful of late pitches that the AI was totally fucked due to a late pitch. If I am controlling one guy and I have a CPU guy behind me and I hit the QB, The CPU seems to stick with the HB more now than last year and I dont feel the need to go after the non ball carrying guy like i did last year cause I know that I have a little help behind me.

Ank · Post by **Ank** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:17 pm

I agree with PDR...the perfect pitch when running the option is after you get that guy to committ either to your RB or QB.
I dont run the option because of the late pitch on this game. (otherwise Id love to dabble in it)
But in some scrimmage games, Ive notice I have hit the pitch button with the defender 2 yards away from me....and the QB dont pitch until he is hit, or sometimes never even gets the pitch off.
It is what it is...I would never dock anyone any points for a late pitch....Cause out of 10 late pitches 4-5 times something bad will happen so it will all even its self out.

Yragha1 · Post by **Yragha1** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:18 pm

I just offered my 2 cents just like yourself PDR.

I have a shortlist of ballers I stick to so I don't have to get excited about this stuff and believe you me, I've never been about the "W" and I enjoy this game to a fault.

One late pitch even two, no worries. After that, it gets a little annoying and isn't an "oops" any longer.

I was taught how to play this game the right way from guys like texasfan, doc and beefy just to name a few.

To each his own.

pounddarock · Post by **pounddarock** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:19 pm

Ank wrote:I agree with PDR...the perfect pitch when running the option is after you get that guy to committ either to your RB or QB.
I dont run the option because of the late pitch on this game. (otherwise Id love to dabble in it)
But in some scrimmage games, Ive notice I have hit the pitch button with the defender 2 yards away from me....and the QB dont pitch until he is hit, or sometimes never even gets the pitch off.
It is what it is...I would never dock anyone any points for a late pitch....Cause out of 10 late pitches 4-5 times something bad will happen so it will all even its self out.

now that is the truth! And BFIVL is correct too..this year's game with the option is totally different than last year's game. The AI covers it much better and the risk/reward is greater.

pounddarock · Post by **pounddarock** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:27 pm

Yragha1 wrote:Hate it.

My opponent gets one (1) freebie a game, after that I'm docking them. Simple as that. Same thing goes for people that use the aggressive play calling all game, if I see jump the snap every play you better be ready for it on the coaches report.

I don't see any change or improvements that have been made from last year. QB's still pitch the ball from behind, when their on the ground and when half the team is in front of them. Some may disagree, and say that it's in the game so it should be free use I don't see it that way. If that's the case open up all the cheesing plays and be done with it.

Good day!

To each his own on opinions..but the things in bold really stuck out is why I replied like I did. I didn't mean to imply that you only care about a win...I meant some guys just play the whole game trying to figure out where/how their opponent is trying to take advantage of the A.I. when all they are doing is trying to enjoy playing the game.
You mention some great coaches, and I am in the same boat as you as playing tfan, doc, buckeye, and yes, even champ

as well as others have also shaped my opinions of what a fun game entails. It's all good and I know that by playing fun opponents is that it's about enjoying the game and not getting too obsessed with every thing to find wrong with what your opponent is doing, but trying to enjoy the game.

Post by **GeorgesGoons** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:42 pm

Since I grew up in Omaha and lived on Power I option football I'd love to use an option style offense in the game but I have never had a QB with enough speed or a FB worth anything to work with it. Plus I've always been afraid to get docked points for the misconception that I am pitching late when in reality I'm mashing that pitch button but my QB doesnt pitch till after he's getting hit.

And I'm curious whats the view on an option style offense in general in the league. I know VTrunNgun runs it very well at GT but what is everyones opinion on people that run it. And what kind of passing game do you expect someone to use when running an option style offense? I'm really thinking about drafting a team that I can use the option but I also like to use my 3 and 4 wide short pass routes.

Anyone know of a good playbook that has quite a few option plays in it that isnt Flexbone and Wishbone heavy?

pounddarock · Post by **pounddarock** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:48 pm

Yragha1 wrote: One late pitch even two, no worries. After that, it gets a little annoying and isn't an "oops" any longer.

I know I've posted way too much in this thread, but I just wanted to acknowledge this:
I do agree that some guys do find ways to know how to take advantage of some of the A.I. flaws...so if some moron is practicing how/when to hit the button to get the QB to pitch after an animation started, and continues to use it in a game, then yes, I 100% agree with you. My point is that I try to give everyone I play the benefit of the doubt until that is proven...and it takes more than just 1 freebie IMO. Mind you, I don't use the option nearly as much as when I had Navy season 14 so I don't even see this as a major issue in this league. Only option team I really faced this season was GT..and he ran it well (yes, even has some delayed animation pitches...but he also had some that blew up in his face)

Anyone know of a good playbook that has quite a few option plays in it that isnt Flexbone and Wishbone heavy?

TO GeorgesGoons: check out Air Force and the Balanced playbook, both allow for option and spread.

ChampDizzle · Post by **ChampDizzle** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:51 pm

I agree that sometimes ea causes a late pitch but alot of guys just take a dive if this happens. It just seems if the QB holds it longer, the defensive a.i. all goes after the kill.

Frankie7512 · Post by **Frankie7512** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:06 pm

pounddarock wrote:
Yragha1 wrote:Hate it.

My opponent gets one (1) freebie a game, after that I'm docking them. Simple as that. Same thing goes for people that use the aggressive play calling all game, if I see jump the snap every play you better be ready for it on the coaches report.

I don't see any change or improvements that have been made from last year. QB's still pitch the ball from behind, when their on the ground and when half the team is in front of them. Some may disagree, and say that it's in the game so it should be free use I don't see it that way. If that's the case open up all the cheesing plays and be done with it.

Good day!
Disagree 100%...this opinion usually comes from someone who either
1. Doesn't use the option
2. Doesn't understand the option
3. Is way too obsessed about what the "other guy" is doing and not trying to enjoy the game.

I have yet to see the "delayed" pitch multiple times in this year game and it is 100% not 'cheese'. Have you never played against someone that actually takes advance of the A.I.? I guess you dock points for everything then...if a guy intercepts the pass after a QB "knock down" animation lob pass, or any of the other multiple things that is out of the users control...

..I'm only docking for guys that break the rules or don't vary their gameplay. That's what the reports are for...to keep guys that actually "cheese" or run the money play accountable.

I agree PDR,Shouldn't we be only docking guys who break rules and don't vary gameplay anyways? I mean I hope the reports are looked at very carefully if someone is docking guys for stuff that isn't against the rules.I hope there isn't a whole lot of guys who share this same thought prcess of docking someone for somethin that isn't against the rules.

Yragha1 · Post by **Yragha1** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:36 pm

Just because it's not against the rules doesn't make it right.

If that's the case then guys might as well do jump the snap all game and be in the backfield taking the handoff before my HB can. I stand by what I said, continuously late pitch vs. me and you'll be docked.

It's not by accident, it's on purpose. WITH THAT SAID, last season my first season back I saw the late pitch I believe one whole time in 11 games and this was a headset game and I didn't think anything of it.

Now, I saw it plenty in the farm. Good grief.

HEADSETS DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Ry · Post by Ry » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:55 pm

I know rags means well but his stance is very rigid and IMO that is not a good way to approach each game. An attitude like that must make the game very frustrating to play as well coming with a "list" of what you are ready to dock others for.

Headsets work but so does AIM.

Yragha1 · Post by **Yragha1** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:06 pm

Do I feel I grade too harsh? Heck no and you know why...

I run a pass offense and one season many moons ago some baller here wrote that I throw too many slants and outs? I found that amusing, would you rather me lob you to death?

As I said, I seen this rarely in the league but I seen in plenty where I expected to see it in the farm.

I'll just go back to viewing these pages once more without responding.

Back under my rock!

6ftdeep · Post by **6ftdeep** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:15 pm

Late Pitches dont bother me, unless is starts to become a pattern.. Then you start to wonder, and I may dock.

Yeah I also believe like rags, just because it is not against the rules doesnt make things ok.
I mean nano blitzes are not against the rules but if someone sat there and nanoed blitzed you all day I sure you would be like that chessy mofu, or if someone jumped the snap and played the pass every snap, and you had a second after the ball was snap on 4 man rushes would that not piss you off, or if someone rocket catched on every big 3rd down play. ETC..

you get what I mean.

But for the most part I gave most all my oppts all 5 this season, Only had a couple games all season long where I thought things were boarderline.. Overall despite all the potential problems it was a good season.

Post by **buckeye76** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:17 pm

The late pitch debate......hahaha!

I still think its cheesy as hell. Sorry, just my feeling. I will dive with my running back everytime or take him straight to the sidelines if i late pitch on accident or not. I just dont feel right about picking up yardage like that.(i know in real life that this is how a perfect option would work....but not in EA's version of NCAA football where my electronic defenders are running around with there thumbs up there ass.) Is it the right thing to do???? Who knows, just the way i play the game. Will i dock points on CR's if i see it......No. If i see it all game well then yes im going to let you know i didnt appreciate you late pitching the entire game. Did i see it alot this season??....No, and when i did see it, it almost everytime was intercepted or fumbled.

Its still in the game, but no where near last seasons game.

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