Big 10 has supposedly made it's initial offers

[trendon]

- What the fuck does it matter how many NU fans went to ND. How can you even prove that statement. Watch me make a similar statement. Illinois is a bigger schools than Nebraska since they filled in a higher percentage of ticket sales than Nebraska did when they went to the Rose Bowl. See how ridiculous that sounds.

You really should get off these forums because, in the 45 minutes, your sense of humor has gone somewhere around the water cooler and the key to the bathroom. Nebraska should have won a Nobel Prize for what they did in 2000.

[brwnbear]

- What the fuck does it matter how many NU fans went to ND. How can you even prove that statement. Watch me make a similar statement. Illinois is a bigger schools than Nebraska since they filled in a higher percentage of ticket sales than Nebraska did when they went to the Rose Bowl. See how ridiculous that sounds.

You really should get off these forums because, in the 45 minutes, your sense of humor has gone somewhere around the water cooler and the key to the bathroom. Nebraska should have won a Nobel Prize for what they did in 2000.

That is actually pretty cool. Ok, Nebraska is good. They would benefit from moving to the BT. Plus you can watch all their games for free! I'm tired and I lost my point somewhere in these 5 pages. Lets hug it out.

[DRiccio21]

brwnbear what do you do? and did you go to brown or does that name mean something totally different? i grew up about 3 miles from Brown's campus

[trendon]

Odds on his education at Trendonbets.com

University of Illinois-Champaign: 1-50
Brown University: 20-1
Field: 6-1

[brwnbear]

Nope, I did not go to Brown. I am an alumni of Illinois.

Brown Bear was a joke amongst friends when I was 12. I dont even remember what the joke was. I used "brwnbear" to sign into my first AOL account about 16 years ago when "brownbear" was taken. I have used it ever since.

On a side note. I think most people assume I am black because of my name. I'm not.

I am in the same type of business you are in. Only I deal more with fee based planning and less with individual day to day trading than you might.

[brwnbear]

Odds on his education at Trendonbets.com

University of Illinois-Champaign: 1-50
Brown University: 20-1
Field: 6-1

Should have played the long odds.

Dammit!! There go another 45 minutes.

[trendon]

I used "brwnbear" to sign into my first AOL account about 16 years ago

Mem-o-ries!

I was "ProdOutcast" because I was thrown off Prodigy until Dec 31, 1999.

[ReignOnU]

Nice... PrimetimePlayer... jacked it the week that AOL removed their 12 letter screen name limits. I'd guess that was around 1996.

As a Penn State fan, I think it's great that Nebraska / Missouri are on board. But honestly, I'm more thrilled about Rutgers. PSU already has a strong line into NJ, so here's hoping we can turn them into another "Maryland" for us. Love ya Terp fans! Maybe the expansion of the Big 10 Network also gives us some love in NY.

I have to admit though, the idea of a East - West conference alignment is pretty scary. PSU, OSU, Michigan and potentially ND is pretty nasty.

[DRiccio21]

I am in the same type of business you are in. Only I deal more with fee based planning and less with individual day to day trading than you might.

good stuff... a large (boring) chunk of my book is fee based.

and fuck you trendon, i didnt see his sig with his email address... lol

[brwnbear]

I am in the same type of business you are in. Only I deal more with fee based planning and less with individual day to day trading than you might.

good stuff... a large (boring) chunk of my book is fee based.

and fuck you trendon, i didnt see his sig with his email address... lol

Fee based is how you pay the bills. If you dont mind me asking, what is the wrap % rate like in NY?

Oh, I didnt think about my sig.

[brwnbear]

Nice... PrimetimePlayer... jacked it the week that AOL removed their 12 letter screen name limits. I'd guess that was around 1996.

As a Penn State fan, I think it's great that Nebraska / Missouri are on board. But honestly, I'm more thrilled about Rutgers. PSU already has a strong line into NJ, so here's hoping we can turn them into another "Maryland" for us. Love ya Terp fans! Maybe the expansion of the Big 10 Network also gives us some love in NY.

I have to admit though, the idea of a East - West conference alignment is pretty scary. PSU, OSU, Michigan and potentially ND is pretty nasty.

Yea that would suck for you guys. There would be some pretty good games though. I figure they will probably go north-south.

Maybe they will go to soccer league stile and have a premier league of 8 teams and sub league of 6 teams. Then 2 teams get relegated and two teams get promoted. The top two teams in the premier league gets to play for the conference.

[DRiccio21]

it depends on size.

anything under a mil i charge 1.5-1.85% usually. anything over i am competitive to whatever they currently have but never under 1%

[TerpsMustDie]

Only reason the ACC would add teams is to replace any it loses.

Then, the ACC would look to replace what it lost by raiding the Big East again of any football playing schools, they would take USF for sure and whoever is left.

I doubt USF is even in the discussions at this point. They would likely be left holding the bag. Very little tradition, cash strapped athletic department, bad basketball to boot. The ACC and SEC would add to react to the Big 10, regardless of whether they lost a team. No one wants to be left behind in the super conference race.

If the ACC lost three teams, including both of its Florida schools, who do you think they would look to pick up? And you have to consider that the top teams in the Big East would have already left to go to the Big 10.

What are you using to measure your top teams? The reason Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers are thrown around in the discussions is this supposed "tv market" argument and because of their academic reputation. If you're talking purely sports success and athletic revenue, UConn and WVU are your top two choices. USF is not even close.

Rank School Total Revenue Conference
1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12
12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference
14th Notre Dame $83,352,439 Independent
15th Iowa $81,148,310 Big Ten
16th Michigan State $77,738,746 Big Ten
17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12
18th Stanford $76,661,466 Pac-10
19th University of Southern California $76,409,919 Pac-10
20th Nebraska $75,492,884 Big 12
21st Texas A&M $74,781,640 Big 12
22nd Kentucky $71,186,184 Southeastern Conference
23rd Duke $67,820,335 ACC
24th South Carolina $66,545,953 Southeastern Conference
25th UCLA $66,088,264 Pac-10
26th Virginia $65,400,485 ACC
27th Arkansas $64,197,470 Southeastern Conference
28th California $63,884,710 Pac-10
29th Minnesota $63,782,454 Big Ten
30th Purdue $62,093,614 Big Ten
31st North Carolina–Chapel Hill $61,263,269 ACC
32nd Boston College $61,203,340 ACC
33rd Washington $60,729,016 Pac-10
34th Clemson $59,126,212 ACC
35th Illinois $57,167,843 Big Ten
36th Oregon $56,623,902 Pac-10
37th Virginia Tech $56,029,172 ACC
38th Indiana $54,839,398 Big Ten
39th Connecticut $54,721,742 Big East
40th West Virginia $54,262,716 Big East
41st Maryland $54,171,741 ACC
42nd Arizona State $53,479,441 Pac-10
43rd Colorado $52,631,896 Big 12
44th Louisville $52,203,604 Big East
45th Rutgers $50,181,300 Big East
46th Missouri $49,113,786 Big 12
47th Kansas State $48,160,113 Big 12
48th Oregon State $47,185,827 Pac-10
49th Georgia Tech $47,126,247 ACC
50th Arizona $46,988,400 Pac-10
51st Miami (Fla.) $46,849,990 ACC
52nd Vanderbilt $45,521,855 Southeastern Conference
53rd Florida State $45,414,953 ACC
54th Syracuse $44,702,831 Big East
55th North Carolina State $44,553,795 ACC
56th Baylor $44,151,763 Big 12
57th Texas Christian University $43,439,777 Mountain West
58th Texas Tech $42,844,855 Big 12
59th Northwestern $41,835,733 Big Ten
60th Wake Forest $39,961,624 ACC
61st Pittsburgh $39,741,621 Big East
62nd Washington State $39,621,059 Pac-10
63rd Iowa State $38,642,013 Big 12
64th BYU $36,695,623 Mountain West
65th Mississippi $34,769,709 Southeastern Conference
66th USF $34,727,263 Big East
67th Cincinnati $33,886,561 Big East
68th Memphis $33,393,717 Conference USA
69th SMU $33,031,503 Conference USA
70th Hawaii $33,012,865 Western Athletic Conference
71st UNLV $32,796,515 Mountain West
72nd San Diego State $31,697,560 Mountain West
73rd Houston $30,856,264 Conference USA
74th Air Force Academy $30,604,249 Mountain West
75th Mississippi State $30,440,090 Southeastern Conference
76th East Carolina $29,268,128 Conference USA
77th New Mexico $28,806,308 Mountain West
78th UCF $28,775,770 Conference USA
79th Temple $27,478,056 Mid-American Conference
80th Utah $26,949,005 Mountain West
81st Rice $26,767,228 Conference USA
82nd Fresno State $26,273,405 Western Athletic Conference
83rd Tulsa $25,797,664 Conference USA
84th New Mexico State $25,065,502 Western Athletic Conference
85th Wyoming $23,717,482 Mountain West
86th Miami (Ohio) $23,263,940 Mid-American Conference
87th UTEP $23,182,621 Conference USA
88th Colorado State $22,093,683 Mountain West
89th Boise State $21,777,002 Western Athletic Conference
90th UAB $21,566,166 Conference USA
91st Central Michigan $21,493,640 Mid-American Conference
92nd Marshall $21,340,076 Conference USA
93rd Nevada $21,057,972 Western Athletic Conference
94th Ohio $20,448,176 Mid-American Conference
95th Florida International $20,230,655 Sun Belt Conference
96th Tulane $20,029,935 Conference USA
97th Western Kentucky $19,957,909 Independent
98th Eastern Michigan $19,341,287 Mid-American Conference
99th Northern Illinois $19,199,427 Mid-American Conference
100th Western Michigan $19,190,254 Mid-American Conference
101st Buffalo $19,080,151 Mid-American Conference
102nd Kent State $18,891,133 Mid-American Conference
103rd San Jose State $18,318,325 Western Athletic Conference
104th Toledo $18,127,253 Mid-American Conference
105th Bowling Green $18,087,524 Mid-American Conference
106th Akron $17,942,424 Mid-American Conference
107th Ball State $17,427,728 Mid-American Conference
108th Middle Tennessee State $17,254,577 Sun Belt Conference
109th North Texas $15,762,952 Sun Belt Conference
110th Florida Atlantic $14,751,549 Sun Belt Conference
111th Southern Miss $14,472,618 Conference USA
112th Utah State $13,205,337 Western Athletic Conference
113th Troy $13,134,964 Sun Belt Conference
114th Idaho $12,896,488 Western Athletic Conference
115th Louisiana Tech $12,465,865 Western Athletic Conference
116th Louisiana-Lafayette $11,134,598 Sun Belt Conference
117th Arkansas State $10,456,754 Sun Belt Conference
118th Louisiana-Monroe $7,733,035 Sun Belt Conference

[Uuaww]

all this BS will come about with a 16 team mega conference or whatever... 3 teams in one of the divisions will go 6-2 (incl. Northwestern), and Northwestern (8-4) will win the tiebreaker to go to the Big 10 Championship. They will win it, and go to the Rose Bowl and promptly get destroyed by someone.

Just wait, it will happen.

[Mtwasik]

The ACC would want USF over West Virginia so it could stay in the Florida TV markets, if it did lose FSU and Miami

[Hoos]

As I said earlier, the entire thing is driven by money and the next TV deal. There is less money out there than before so everybody is scrambling to maximize their share. You maximize your share by expanding your TV footprint.

That is why Boston College was attractive. Despite having the worst fan base that I have ever seen, they bring the Boston market. So, the ACC TV deal will include Boston. Rutgers is the same story. Another somewhat blah athletic program that just happens to be sitting in fertile TV land.

Either you have to be in a TV market or you have to be a big draw that adds to the overall value of the TV package. Nebraska is not in a big TV market but their name strengthens the TV deal. However, I would bet the Big 10 went after Texas before they went after Nebraska.

So, all the academic talk and good fit talk is just a way of selling expansion. It's all about the next TV deal.

[nick]

I used "brwnbear" to sign into my first AOL account about 16 years ago

Mem-o-ries!

I was "ProdOutcast" because I was thrown off Prodigy until Dec 31, 1999.

I'll take you one step back. Remember ICQ? I still know my number lol

[trendon]

I used "brwnbear" to sign into my first AOL account about 16 years ago

Mem-o-ries!

I was "ProdOutcast" because I was thrown off Prodigy until Dec 31, 1999.

I'll take you one step back. Remember ICQ? I still know my number lol

I don't but I remember mine only had five digits. Going to try and find it.

[nick]

I used "brwnbear" to sign into my first AOL account about 16 years ago

Mem-o-ries!

I was "ProdOutcast" because I was thrown off Prodigy until Dec 31, 1999.

I'll take you one step back. Remember ICQ? I still know my number lol

I don't but I remember mine only had five digits. Going to try and find it.

21371708 was mine. So you were much earlier than me lol

[shel311]

Damn.

I NEVER had any of that stuff until I got AIM and the only reason I did was because it was for my 1st ever online league, LOL.

But, again, I am from Louisiana, so that explains that.