Progression Fucked?

[trendon]

My friend is telling me that the progression (namely with the incoming fake players) is laughable. He says that in Year 5 of his dynasty, nobody kicks field goals and teams routinely miss extra points because the best kicker in the class is a 57.

'Tis true?

[sammy33]

The kickers are god awful...horrible. In my third season now and my kicker can't make anything outside of the 25...

I'm going to start making kickers at the end of my seasons to help fix it. Overall, the talent in future classes is not as strong. I've seen some threads of people already in their 8th and beyond with the top rated teams being B+ or B. As for the bad teams...lol, they REALLY are bad. Even though I personally think the ratings are inflated as they stand now, there is a major drop-off in talent going forward.

[dakshdar]

It is a good thing EA does significant beta testing to catch stuff like thi.... ugh.

If they just sent the NDL the game after our second season ends we'd play the fuck out of it and they'd never have these problems. Stupid EA.

[trendon]

It is a good thing EA does significant beta testing to catch stuff like thi.... ugh.

If they just sent the NDL the game after our second season ends we'd play the fuck out of it and they'd never have these problems. Stupid EA.

I give EA a lot of leeway because they have about ten months of development. That's a short amount of time even if they have all of the base code down from the previous versions. However, when shit like this, or one camera angle, or leaderboards that don't sort, and other small problems surface, you have to wonder what the fuck they are doing.

[Hoos]

Just means more patches are on the way.

[Cnasty]

Just means more patches are on the way.

[Ry]

Just means more patches are on the way.

any news on when the first patch is due to be released?

If EA could just tweak the man coverage so that the DBs are not running the wr routes before the wr runs the route that'd be a treat.

[Nole4real]

Just means more patches are on the way.

any news on when the first patch is due to be released?

If EA could just tweak the man coverage so that the DBs are not running the wr routes before the wr runs the route that'd be a treat.

I know the designers have to be somewhat geeky when it comes to actually programming a football video game but it makes me wonder if ANY of them ever played....lol, sometimes I wonder do they really even WATCH football

If AA is suppsoed to be the default, how could they go through a whole period of testing and not see zone is too weak (players dont cover actual zones) and in man, the dbs are running the wr router

OR maybe we just underestimate the ability to program a game. AI is quite complex when you think about it and maybe they really are doing the best they can and given the terabytes of data being processed each game, maybe we're being too hard on them....

Spoiler!

Nah

[The_Niddler]

It is a good thing EA does significant beta testing to catch stuff like thi.... ugh.

If they just sent the NDL the game after our second season ends we'd play the fuck out of it and they'd never have these problems. Stupid EA.

I have been saying stuff like this for years. I work in the QA, Stress, System, Acceptance testing industry here at Progressive Insurance.
How the hell do they let some of the stuff get by?

I do know that like anything, when they find out about it, they do a risk analysis and if it is a big enough issue that will cause a ton of problems, they will fix it before the release or they will wait and patch it later.
This is normal in most software industries.

But I have always said, for Madden and college... there are groups out there like us (NDL), that would gladly volunteer and be outside testers for them. They would not even have to pay us, just give us a free copy of the game or a free something...
Like in Madden, take the guys that are ranked 1-10 in lobby play and ask them to test it for you. Bring them into your facility for a week and let them play it early.
I am sure most of them would do it free just to have bragging rights that they were able to test it and play it early.
Put a picture of them in the manual every year since the manual doesn't have much in it anymore. Consider that payment.

But take the guys that find the exploits each and every season and have them work with you to find and fix the issues.

[Shiftdnb]

Thing is they think they do dive into the community when they pick the guys from utopia and maddennation. Funny thing is, they grab a lot of the guys that are strictly Madden players and only pick up NCAA long enough to wait for Madden. They also don't get SIM type players, I remember on that thing they had before launch day they were talking about this guy that was about to play and how his play style was roll out and just throw it up the sidelines or run.

If we can get Massey involved in the league how has EA not had anybody representing from the NDL when it comes to making this game?

[BIGmike]

I tried to get EA to check out the NDL before, but they never responded.

[Ry]

Just means more patches are on the way.

any news on when the first patch is due to be released?

If EA could just tweak the man coverage so that the DBs are not running the wr routes before the wr runs the route that'd be a treat.

I know the designers have to be somewhat geeky when it comes to actually programming a football video game but it makes me wonder if ANY of them ever played....lol, sometimes I wonder do they really even WATCH football

If AA is suppsoed to be the default, how could they go through a whole period of testing and not see zone is too weak (players dont cover actual zones) and in man, the dbs are running the wr router

OR maybe we just underestimate the ability to program a game. AI is quite complex when you think about it and maybe they really are doing the best they can and given the terabytes of data being processed each game, maybe we're being too hard on them....

Spoiler!

Nah

Overall this game is a good one but the issue with man coverage is frustrating. It's quite possibly a game killer, idk, to early for me to make that judgement. I say this because the man coverage really begins to limit the playcalling in the pass game, which makes it alot less fun....

[shel311]

I tried to get EA to check out the NDL before, but they never responded.

I did the same.

I used to know and hung out a little with Ian Cummings, who some of you may know as one of the top guys on Madden.

Found him on Operation Sports. I've PMed him a couple of times in the past, linking him to the NDL and letting him know about what we are about and if there was any way he could get us a contact on the NCAA side. He always just PMed back that he'd talk to someone,b ut I never heard back from him.

I think they only care about selling units, and they view the NDL as 120 games sold, that will be sold regardless, so we're obviously not important to them.

[fsupenguin]

I tried to get EA to check out the NDL before, but they never responded.

We could keep trying till they at least send us a restraining order .

[VeniVediV1ci]

i think you can quit a ranked online game and not get a loss, too

[Hoos]

I doubt they are very interested in us because we have a small amount of unique users. We aren't open to the world like Utopia and MN. Despite the quality of online testing they would get here, we aren't attractive.

Plus, as I have said many times, online play doesn't drive sales for NCAA. When you compare how many people are online with how many people purchase the game, it's a very small %. They get a few online people to test it and demo it early but I'd guess it's more a pub thing for high traffic sites. Most of those guys that demo it seem to come back with shit like, "could be the best one ever" and "previous problems fixed". So, it just drives sales.

[trendon]

I doubt they are very interested in us because we have a small amount of unique users. We aren't open to the world like Utopia and MN. Despite the quality of online testing they would get here, we aren't attractive.

Plus, as I have said many times, online play doesn't drive sales for NCAA. When you compare how many people are online with how many people purchase the game, it's a very small %. They get a few online people to test it and demo it early but I'd guess it's more a pub thing for high traffic sites. Most of those guys that demo it seem to come back with shit like, "could be the best one ever" and "previous problems fixed". So, it just drives sales.

This cinches it. I am creating that website I've had on my brain for years. A video game review site that reviews games a month AFTER they come out. Who wants to help?

Serious.

[6ftdeep]

I doubt they are very interested in us because we have a small amount of unique users. We aren't open to the world like Utopia and MN. Despite the quality of online testing they would get here, we aren't attractive.

Plus, as I have said many times, online play doesn't drive sales for NCAA. When you compare how many people are online with how many people purchase the game, it's a very small %. They get a few online people to test it and demo it early but I'd guess it's more a pub thing for high traffic sites. Most of those guys that demo it seem to come back with shit like, "could be the best one ever" and "previous problems fixed". So, it just drives sales.

yeah i best shot at maybe getting us noticed.. is when we had a guy inside who possibly could have spoke to a guy that had a friend or a friend of a friend that could put a word in. Maybe?.. To bad though I think Hoos is right we are not large enough for them to take a interest in.. and possibly feel a league like ours take away from their online dynasties.. ranked leader boards or what not. Since we only play the game un-ranked and against each other. We avoid guys who dominate their leader boards due to a large amount of them being cheesy, and don't search for ways to create nano sack money plays.. And our style of play is a minority to the masses.. as we probably would consider most of the guys who think their straight players on Operation sports and MN cheesy.

[AUChase89]

i think you can quit a ranked online game and not get a loss, too

Yeah, I think so too.. as long as it's before the half.