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ReignOnU wrote:Maybe you enjoy watching your defender in zone coverage let a WR cross his face and he doesn't move, or a ball thrown right at him and it hits him in the head is something you think is fun to watch. Me? I expect the defense to react properly. If I call the right play, I expect a good result. I don't have an issue with getting blown out if I'm calling a terrible game. But there's no fun in playing when you're calling a great game and you repeatedly see the execution fail.
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Cnasty wrote:
ReignOnU wrote:Maybe you enjoy watching your defender in zone coverage let a WR cross his face and he doesn't move, or a ball thrown right at him and it hits him in the head is something you think is fun to watch. Me? I expect the defense to react properly. If I call the right play, I expect a good result. I don't have an issue with getting blown out if I'm calling a terrible game. But there's no fun in playing when you're calling a great game and you repeatedly see the execution fail.
Psssssst, you're Kansas. :lol:
Damn, good point.

How do you explain my 393yds per game passing then?
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Thats offense.

Totally different beast.

Hell, I have FIU and I am having a great passing season and Im not disputing that AA is pretty weak on D but there are other adjustments to make than using the strats which I will never do.

Blitz more, zone blitz, manually assign some players to cover certain routs and zones, mix up the zone and man and run combos. Using the strats is an easy way out in my opinion but thats just me.
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Cnasty wrote: manually assign some players to cover certain routs
pardon my french, but, how in the fuck do you do this???

By the way, if you are keying a receiver, you are still using "play the pass". So even if they didn't throw it to that guy and it got batted or picked you are gonna get points for it.

For you reign:
I don't get all this hate for the strategy stuff. Most people seem to be hating on this game because the defense is so pitiful, but some of the stuff can help that. I played a game the other night and busted a long option play. After a few more decent options, guess what? strategy points cause he stuffed it. I expect good shit like that. Now, I'm not saying turn the shit on and just leave it on, but if someone is doing something continually, passing game especially, and you want to stop it, its just foolish to think you can do it all by your lonesome with your one measly user controlled guy (unless you are bigmike or some of the other exceptional users) and a good play call. The defensive AI isn't good enough for that. Unless someone is getting an exorbitant amount of strategy points, I would hate to think guys would dock someone for using something a few times that is clearly not banned in the rules. I would consider over 30 or so a bad number, just me. But docking someone because they got 10 or 15 points because you had been hitting them across the middle on 3rd and 10 a couple times with the same guy and they guessed right and got a pick, fuck that, maybe you shoulda tried another receiver.
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Cnasty wrote:Thats offense.

Totally different beast.

Hell, I have FIU and I am having a great passing season and Im not disputing that AA is pretty weak on D but there are other adjustments to make than using the strats which I will never do.

Blitz more, zone blitz, manually assign some players to cover certain routs and zones, mix up the zone and man and run combos. Using the strats is an easy way out in my opinion but thats just me.
Tried that, the 1st thing I notice are guys immediately start dropping 12-15 yds.

I know part of the problem is that I'm trying to avoid docking guys on their coach reports for things like dropping back over 10yds repeatedly, running the same pass concepts, running all man defense... but the only counter I've found is using the strats. So what it really comes down to is do I risk the chance that someone docks me, while letting them play like they want, or do I just play straight up like I did before and start bringing down the hammer in the coach reports?
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Manually change the defensive route by selecting the player and hot routing him to a different assignment.

I've found that I can change 1-2 per play if I'm moving fast. Admittedly, this has helped a small amount with covering the Buzz Zone, but only works when adjusting zone coverage depths.
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ReignOnU wrote:Manually change the defensive route by selecting the player and hot routing him to a different assignment.

I've found that I can change 1-2 per play if I'm moving fast. Admittedly, this has helped a small amount with covering the Buzz Zone, but only works when adjusting zone coverage depths.
so how is this different from using a strat to drop or tighten zones?
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I threw up some stats a few posts back, those are the current NCAA Passing Yds Per Game and the current NDL Yds Per Game. I know it's very early in the season, so the stats are skewed, but we're going to be WAY beyond the NCAA average this season.

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400+ 1 8
350-399 2 10
300-349 11 16

I also took a look at rushing and the effect is the exact opposite, the NDL isn't even close in terms of Rush YPG. Mostly because you don't have to run the ball to keep the defense honest, because the pass coverage is already piss poor.
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autiger730 wrote:
ReignOnU wrote:Manually change the defensive route by selecting the player and hot routing him to a different assignment.

I've found that I can change 1-2 per play if I'm moving fast. Admittedly, this has helped a small amount with covering the Buzz Zone, but only works when adjusting zone coverage depths.
so how is this different from using a strat to drop or tighten zones?
I think most people consider it the same as hot routing a WR. But I agree that it would be about the same as adjusting zone depths. The only argument that I can see is zone depth/hot routing changes a players assignment, but not how AI reacts to the situation. Where as Play the Pass / Int/Swat changes the AI reaction (in theory).
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trendon wrote:
DRiccio21 wrote:MOD-ER-ATION... clap clap clapclapclap
I wish that word didn't exist.
Except for drags and slants. :lol:
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autiger730 wrote:By the way, if you are keying a receiver, you are still using "play the pass". So even if they didn't throw it to that guy and it got batted or picked you are gonna get points for it.

Wasn't true in my case. It only showed up about 3-4 times, and those weren't the only times I used it.

That said, I have ALSO noticed if you call prevent in quarters, it shows "play the pass" every time.

But again, I see a huge difference in "play the pass" and "key a receiver", esp in regards to the defensive line.
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shel311 wrote:
trendon wrote:
DRiccio21 wrote:MOD-ER-ATION... clap clap clapclapclap
I wish that word didn't exist.
Except for drags and slants. :lol:
No, I propose that this "moderation" is what is the major issue for games I play in. See this thread and all the guys saying, "Well, I wouldn't use that feature or this one or do that or this!" Yet, to a man, they have that one play that they know - they know! - will work without fail. And that is fine; can't begrudge someone for that. Shit, I have one, too. However, I use it constantly and I am going to continue to fucking use it until someone stops it. I am not going to insult my opponent by holding back on this or holding back on that and then springing my surprise play on them when I need it the most, when I've lulled them to sleep with this supposed "straight and moderate" play.

Now, you might be asking yourself, "Trendon, what the hell is wrong with a guy saving his best plays for when he needs them the most?" Really, nothing. However, if I know that you are holding on to the two-step drop TE streak or quick hit slant that will always work for three yards for when you really need it, then I am turning on every feature and using every trick in the book and I expect you to NOT wax poetic about how you wouldn't dare turn on BIG RUN because it is cheese. LOL! You just ran the same slant nine times, Bueller, out of four different sets on third-and-four; don't think I didn't notice! At the very least I feel proud of the fact that I didn't try and sneak one past you. You fucking know what I am up to by the end of the first quarter.

How I wish we had a scouting report section like some of the old leagues. That shit was mad useful.

Edit: You have to see the game I am playing right now. I swear to god that my opponent is only running plays on 1st and 2nd down just to set up 3rd-and-8 so he can throw a slant to the slot receiver or TE. It's laughable. Meanwhile, I've run two trick plays, two bombs, and a handful of PA.
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So Trendon, what is the difference between u constantly using ur money play and ur opponent constantly using the WR slant???

I'm missing something here.
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Well, for one, the types of passes I favor are about 40 yards downfield, so there's that. Plus, I wouldn't even call it a money play, per se.

I am not even playing defense right now. OK, it is 3rd down and 10. HERE WE GO! headed back to PS3

Edit: Now that he is losing he is getting creative and the game's gotten fun. Maybe my losing all the time leads to boring games. Hmmm
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I for one love the increased offense with playing on AA. I would much rather lose 28-56 when playing a great coach than 3-31. Also do most of you realize just how many slants most teams that pass a good bit run in just one game? I won't pretend to know the number but I lost count in the 30's on 3 different games I watched last Saturday.
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I too love the fact (in some games) I can feel good about an offensive performance, but its when I have the perfect defense called and the CB just stares at the ball going in front of his facemask or the endless broken tackles that drives me nuts... Not sure this is even related to strategy, but in some games my team would need strategy to the 10 power to compete against others...lol I try to remember I paid 60 bucks for this game and damn it I am gonna have fun with it! After all, isn't that what its all about. To win is great, but if I put ahead of having a fun experience I am not sure I could keep playing as long as I have.
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i also enjoy being able to move the ball and score. Besides everyone defense sucks so it's all even.
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jsence2 wrote:I NEVER use "Guess Pass"; however last night I faced a 6'6" freak WR (against my 5'10" CB) so I did the "Key Receiver" thing to make sure my defense was always watching him; and apparently if the QB throws to him and you knock it down, pick it, anything but a catch by him, it flashes "guess pass +5"

Now personally I see no problem with keying on a receiver--it's something you'd do in REAL LIFE. You'd shade your defensive looks to take him away. However, people may dock someone for "guessing pass" when they actually simply told the pass coverage to watch him, and it seems to have absolutely no effect on the pass rush, unlike "Guess Pass". So I'd say be careful when docking guys just because you see some strategy points.

That said, I doubt I'll see another WR like that so I'll probably not need to use it again :lol:
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ReignOnU wrote:RK TEAM YDS/G
1 Hawaii 402.4
2 Arkansas 366.3
3 Oklahoma State 361
4 Idaho 348.3
5 Indiana 319.3
6 Texas Tech 315.3
7 North Carolina State 312.6
8 East Carolina 310.3
9 Arizona 308.8
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2 - Arkansas State TPev20 513
3 - Florida International Cnasty 488
4 - Florida Atlantic Feistygator 448
5 - Indiana LetsGoPeay 431
6 - Texas Tech bigred 416.7
7 - Louisiana-Lafayette BsktbllJk 410
8 - Boston College JustGiver31 407.8
9 - Louisiana Tech runthepound 398
10 - #23 Kansas ReignOnU 393
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