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GeorgesGoons wrote:So with all this said, I am going to start a new strategy for next season. It's pretty easy. If I win, you get all 5's across the board. If I lose, I'm giving out all 1's. I can't remember the last time I gave out more than 2 or 3 4's in a whole season. So now I have to worry about shifting my line 10-15 plays a game because some homer might think that is too much? Get the hell outa here. People need to pull their big girl panties up and just play the game.

If you are one of those people please don't accept my OOC game request and please don't send me one.
None of the below applies to this season because I was in a bind to get my games in, but it applies to other seasons and all seasons going forward. I send out a PM to people explaining that I will use every single option available to me to win the game. Every one; and I expect you to do the same. Also, I literally actually DOCK people points if you DON'T have strategy points, pick plays too fast repeatedly, use no motion of cadence, or anything else that I consider to be in the realm of "not really paying attention."

Things like moving your line, using strategy points, pouring it on, stopping at the goal line to waste time, user blitzing, faking kicks, pausing a lot, lots of motion/shifts, no-huddle, play action, quick snapping, taking forever to snap the ball, trying to strip every play, line on aggressive, big run, etc etc etc ... have fun, I expect you to try and win the game and it ain't like I don't have the same fucking copy of NCAA Football 12 that you do.

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trendon wrote:
GeorgesGoons wrote:So with all this said, I am going to start a new strategy for next season. It's pretty easy. If I win, you get all 5's across the board. If I lose, I'm giving out all 1's. I can't remember the last time I gave out more than 2 or 3 4's in a whole season. So now I have to worry about shifting my line 10-15 plays a game because some homer might think that is too much? Get the hell outa here. People need to pull their big girl panties up and just play the game.

If you are one of those people please don't accept my OOC game request and please don't send me one.
None of the below applies to this season because I was in a bind to get my games in, but it applies to other seasons and all seasons going forward. I send out a PM to people explaining that I will use every single option available to me to win the game. Every one; and I expect you to do the same. Also, I literally actually DOCK people points if you DON'T have strategy points, pick plays too fast repeatedly, use no motion of cadence, or anything else that I consider to be in the realm of "not really paying attention."

Things like moving your line, using strategy points, pouring it on, stopping at the goal line to waste time, user blitzing, faking kicks, pausing a lot, lots of motion/shifts, no-huddle, play action, quick snapping, taking forever to snap the ball, trying to strip every play, line on aggressive, big run, etc etc etc ... have fun, I expect you to try and win the game and it ain't like I don't have the same fucking copy of NCAA Football 12 that you do.

You are an enigma of contradiction Trendon, god love you.
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Trendon, you have a mold on how you want people to play the game just as others here do. It just happens, that others style is different than yours. You have stated what you will dock folks for and thats cool, but seem to deem what others dock as silly and no fun play style. I generealy have a good time playing the game and I am on the polar opposite side of the spectrum of your views. Call it ignorance or being boring, but I have never used about 90% of the EA functions in this game thats not tied directly to post snap and even still I use speed burst and cover the ball on offense.
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BFiVL wrote:Trendon, you have a mold on how you want people to play the game just as others here do. It just happens, that others style is different than yours. You have stated what you will dock folks for and thats cool, but seem to deem what others dock as silly and no fun play style. I generealy have a good time playing the game and I am on the polar opposite side of the spectrum of your views. Call it ignorance or being boring, but I have never used about 90% of the EA functions in this game thats not tied directly to post snap and even still I use speed burst and cover the ball on offense.
I see what you mean now. I thought you meant I contradicted myself.

Edit: Also, one of the few - if any - things I like about this rule is we make a rule against something before anyone has figured out a way to exploit people using it; like the "guess run" feature. I use "guess pass" a lot and, holy fuck, if you run ... I am cooked. Same with guessing the wrong way on the run. Granted, the way I play would fit perfectly with people guessing wrong - so I could be biased - but I would welcome the opportunity to play against some who keeps guessing wrong.
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trendon wrote:
BFiVL wrote:Trendon, you have a mold on how you want people to play the game just as others here do. It just happens, that others style is different than yours. You have stated what you will dock folks for and thats cool, but seem to deem what others dock as silly and no fun play style. I generealy have a good time playing the game and I am on the polar opposite side of the spectrum of your views. Call it ignorance or being boring, but I have never used about 90% of the EA functions in this game thats not tied directly to post snap and even still I use speed burst and cover the ball on offense.
I see what you mean now. I thought you meant I contradicted myself.

Edit: Also, one of the few - if any - things I like about this rule is we make a rule against something before anyone has figured out a way to exploit people using it; like the "guess run" feature. I use "guess pass" a lot and, holy fuck, if you run ... I am cooked. Same with guessing the wrong way on the run. Granted, the way I play would fit perfectly with people guessing wrong - so I could be biased - but I would welcome the opportunity to play against some who keeps guessing wrong.

If you remember, the first version of the guess feature started blowing up Pass plays before you could throw. I remember playing guys that were guessing run right and I had a run left called and lost yards. That didn't make sense. Just like the motion rule. I have always played in leagues where motioning the receiver and snapping while in motion is okay. There was always the concern of motioning into the line and the AI not knowing that and they would squirt out.

I remember that I played you Trendon and was pissed about the play clock always running down under 5 seconds, but I didn't know that was part of your deal, seemed to be against the milking the clock rule that this league has. Once you explained about it, I was fine with it. But like was said, there is differing opinions of Sim and rule interpretations. Even this season in one of my reports I apparently ran shotgun the entire game. Well guess what, if you go watch the film of about 85% of college football (random guess) you will see teams that NEVER get under center. Why would I be docked points for that? I have no idea. But whatever...
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You know how you can be sure I am not milking the clock? Look at the scoreboard. I ain't winning.
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trendon wrote:You know how you can be sure I am not milking the clock? Look at the scoreboard. I ain't winning.
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GeorgesGoons wrote:So with all this said, I am going to start a new strategy for next season. It's pretty easy. If I win, you get all 5's across the board. If I lose, I'm giving out all 1's. I can't remember the last time I gave out more than 2 or 3 4's in a whole season. So now I have to worry about shifting my line 10-15 plays a game because some homer might think that is too much? Get the hell outa here. People need to pull their big girl panties up and just play the game.

If you are one of those people please don't accept my OOC game request and please don't send me one.

I enjoyed playing you and I've got no problem giving you a rematch with you not having the worst team on the game :lol:
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Defensive Line: the defensive line is to ONLY be moved within the AUTOMATIC SHIFTS provided in the game NO MANUAL MOVEMENT of D-line. You are not allowed to move any DL-man, either laterally or vertically, manually before the snap. After the snap feel free to move him back into coverage.

If this is how the rule is written then a certain opponent of mine last season needs to read the rules as they docked me in my coaching report for dropping a DE back in coverage.
The only time I drop a D-line into coverage is if I think a screen pass is coming or if my opponent is throwing over the middle a lot and my LB cannot cover the HB or TE.
I, like others have posted do not dock my opponents for much of anything in their reports. I take the approach that it is my job to stop my opponent. I will however, say something to my opponent on AIM if I see something I don't like. And after reading trendon's post I will never play you. Nothing personal, but like BFIVL, I don't do many motions or the strategy stuff or any of the EA stuff.
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BFiVL wrote:
GeorgesGoons wrote:So with all this said, I am going to start a new strategy for next season. It's pretty easy. If I win, you get all 5's across the board. If I lose, I'm giving out all 1's. I can't remember the last time I gave out more than 2 or 3 4's in a whole season. So now I have to worry about shifting my line 10-15 plays a game because some homer might think that is too much? Get the hell outa here. People need to pull their big girl panties up and just play the game.

If you are one of those people please don't accept my OOC game request and please don't send me one.
On the flip side of that George is some folks need to put their big girl panties on when they get their coaches reports and get lit up. Every one thinks they play straight and every one has a different definition of what is straight game play when it comes to league play.
There are legit complaints on gameplay and there are a ton of whiners, my rule of thumb for this league and it has served me well is on my coaches reports if you get multiple negative comments, its you, if you get one, then let it roll off your back. Do shit in moderation, dont do stuff that gives the illusion or perception of repetition. Mix up game play and looks, especially in situations that happen a lot during a game like 3rd and passing situation. IF you come out in the same defense on 3rd down, and do the same shifts, and run the same defense over and over, shit like that gets noticed. Same for offense, if you constantly have that one play you run over and over in certain situations, that shit gets noticed.
Coaches reports and how folks play is their business, do what you want, but if you get lit up by multiple guys, its all you man.
I completely fucking agree with that also. Take your reports like a man, if its more than one comment from multiple people then yea it's you.
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George sucks.
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The_Niddler wrote:Defensive Line: the defensive line is to ONLY be moved within the AUTOMATIC SHIFTS provided in the game NO MANUAL MOVEMENT of D-line. You are not allowed to move any DL-man, either laterally or vertically, manually before the snap. After the snap feel free to move him back into coverage.

If this is how the rule is written then a certain opponent of mine last season needs to read the rules as they docked me in my coaching report for dropping a DE back in coverage.
The only time I drop a D-line into coverage is if I think a screen pass is coming or if my opponent is throwing over the middle a lot and my LB cannot cover the HB or TE.
I, like others have posted do not dock my opponents for much of anything in their reports. I take the approach that it is my job to stop my opponent. I will however, say something to my opponent on AIM if I see something I don't like. And after reading trendon's post I will never play you. Nothing personal, but like BFIVL, I don't do many motions or the strategy stuff or any of the EA stuff.
Shit, zone blitzes drop lineman, even d-tackles into coverage. I will from time to time if getting beat over the middle or in the flats hot route a DE in to the flat or in to a hook zone. shouldnt be docked for that, that is acceptable.
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Did we ever think that the shifting and the lbs coming untouched have to do with poor oline ratings like in real life to confuse the line??

Pffffffffffffff, what am I thinking. EA isn't that cool

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Cnasty wrote:Did we ever think that the shifting and the lbs coming untouched have to do with poor oline ratings like in real life to confuse the line??

Pffffffffffffff, what am I thinking. EA isn't that cool

Carry on
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sammy33 wrote:
Cnasty wrote:Did we ever think that the shifting and the lbs coming untouched have to do with poor oline ratings like in real life to confuse the line??

Pffffffffffffff, what am I thinking. EA isn't that cool

Carry on
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You mean like overload blitzes, or concepts of leverage and angles, no way! :lol:
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As long as your players aren't yelling slurs on the field, you'll get all fives. Maybe not to the extent of trendon, but I enjoy playing against an unconventional offense or defense.
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Personally I'm gonna move my line to where I think you're running to. Without being able to use the guess run and pass feature I feel it's a must to help compete with the offense. Doing it every Play is not this leagues style though. If I'm in dime vs a 4 wide one back set I'm shifting away from the back every time because that zone read play kills to the side if you dont. I've been doing that for 7 years and no one has ever said a word in a coaches report though. If someone is doing it every play that's a problem. But it should also be pretty easy to taKe care with some quick flips of the play. I'm definitely on the trendon side of most things on the game though.
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sammy33 wrote:As long as your players aren't yelling slurs on the field, you'll get all fives. Maybe not to the extent of trendon, but I enjoy playing against an unconventional offense or defense.
play against autiger. he ran option runs ALL over me. I literally was in a guessing game on whether his qb was going to hand off or keep it. I couldn't figure it out for the life of me.
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Noted
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I don't move anything.
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