Running the ball on heisman

[Nole4real]

lol,some of u guys that are against aa are just going to be against aa. i know there are several of you who cant even imagine it due to whatever reason and will never vote otherwise no matter if its the right call or not.

im just hoping in this thread to get those with an open mind to consider it more when the new game drops.

not saying aa is the way to go without even looking at the game but i felt and still feel too many people voted heisman just based on history and "aa being a joke"

again, everyone is entitled to their opinion and im stating mine that i like offense (or ability to run the ball and have some type of real balance) better than the way its going this year.

couple points to the above

Even though Jahvid Best is 78 ovr, he's a 96 or 97 speed hb i believe and one of the guys i include in able to reach 1000.

i think some of you are confusing "the run game being there" (for you specifically), to the ability to "succesfully" run the ball being spread out from 10% of THE LEAGUE to 30-40%. I just personally would rather a few 2000 yard rushers and at least 10-20 1000 yard rushers and would take that trade off of having people be able to pass better even if it means they are harder to stop.

the point about imagine what the good passers would do on aa is a wash for me when it comes to this decision which is FOR THE LEAGUE.

Mike is gonna have a 4:1 td/int ration if we played on GOD level.....so is corey, so are other guys who are passing gurus....level aint gonna matter much for them.....tebow threw for 44 tds last season....mike would get that on any level..heis and slowing him down...but of the 119 teams around 70% threw for more ints than tds

that aint right imo

I KNOW alot of this is ea's fault for being unable to produce a balanced game so im just saying what id rather the tradeoff be.

the vote should be geared toward the average coach or more to the point the MODE of the coaches...not the better players because you cant stop the guys you are scrimming and are basing the game on your play and the guys u play ability.

5 1000 rushers is sillier than maybe 10 qbs throwing 70-80% completion % imo...

[Nole4real]

This thread is making me want to vomit with all the AA and run game talk.

And Nole your nuts.

I didnt know McCoy played in the MAC????

Just continuously tap...nevermind.

If your have pitt, clemson, usc, uga wvu or bg vs mac teams...THEN its there

that shit didnt work when i left mccoy lol

and who said mccoy played in the mac? Bg does

here's where JM would say reading is FUNdemental

[Nole4real]

fyi - most overused expression of 2008

"blah blah blah is a joke"

[DRWebs]

but of the 119 teams around 70% threw for more ints than tds

Think of how many people play in these dynasties. They get so accustomed to the predictable defense that they shit a brick when they face a human. That coupled with the fact scrimmages are way down, and to be honest I'm not surprised. This is far from the hardest offensive game in this series and even if running were a bit easier I don't know if we'd see the balance you envision

[dakshdar]

54 players with 1000+ yards rushing in division 1a last season.

We're an order of magnitude off in our "sim" league.

[texasfan4444]

What is this running the ball you speak of???

I do agree that it is a lot harder to run the ball than in previous versions but if you work at it, it is there.

I think guys have just realized passing is a lot easier in this version and have gone to more of a pass more game than we have seen in past versions.

BUT also keep in mind if we went AA on this game the passing numbers would be even more outrageous and the D even worse at times than it already is.

Either way, Im passing the ball because thats what is fun for me even if running the ball is a million times easier.

agreed...running is a necessary evil just to keep people honest. Ive been passing primarily for 5 seasons now. But it also depend on who i am playing. I pass first but if you can stop the pass and want to make me run, im ok with that too.

[VTrunNgun]

54 players with 1000+ yards rushing in division 1a last season.

We're an order of magnitude off in our "sim" league.

When has this league EVER had that many guys break 1000+ yards in one season??

If you wanna have that argument about we're off, where are the No Huddle Offenses?

Where are superstars playing both ways?

Where are the blowout wins of 35+ point margins?

The line between real life and 'sim' is a slippery slope

[6ftdeep]

5 1000 rushers is sillier than maybe 10 qbs throwing 70-80% completion % imo...

70 to 80% completion ratio for the win....

[Cnasty]

but of the 119 teams around 70% threw for more ints than tds

Wow!!

Not checking the stats anywhere near as much as I used to I thought the numbers would be a lot more even.

Especially since this game favors the pass game to be "easier" than the run game.

I agree with you on that aspect that its way off. Well damn...

[mcx79]

I think more than anything the reason we do not have more 1000+ yard is due to the fact that popping a long run takes quite a bit to do. If you stick to running the ball and you never pop a big one you will have taken up an entire quarter!!! Before you know it, its halftime and you have only had two possessions. Now, I know we have gone over all of this time and time again, but maybe the 7 minute quarter would help this problem more than going to AA. I really do not care, but it seems more reasonable to play 4 more minutes than to play with an inferior defensive AI when the defensive AI can be flat out bad in some instances already.

[vicktim7]

couple of good points, guys. i think the run offense suffers from the quarter times that we play. it'd be interesting to look at rushing attempts and yards per rush and see what they show. also, it seems like we had more lopsided games this season and getting behind leads to throwing more which leads to picks. couple that with the lack of playing and some crazy defensive plays, and i can see the picks getting that bad.

one way to think about running vs passing on AA is this: if i can run the ball more successfully, i can keep that other guy's high powered passing game off the field. if i can't control the ball, i'm screwed. passing stats might not pad like we believe.

honestly, i think i've run one or two games on AA, and it didn't seem like much of a difference either way. there again, i wasn't trying to specifically look for differences either. the feel of the game and the flow didn't seem to vary that much. i do agree with nole that we are out of whack with our stats in some regards (rushing yards, ints, etc.), but heck, look at passing yards here. it's down, too, from what you'd see on most saturdays. it's from a lack of plays compared to real teams, and that's from the quarter times that we've used.

of course the converse argument is, "who wants to play more than 6 min?" makes for longer games, later nights for most people, and for those who've been wishy-washy about this game, it makes for more headaches. i'd be game to see what would happen with longer quarters. on massey, it says the average score for our games this year was 26-13. 39 total? quite interesting. of course, capping the win limit at 35 causes some of this and the simmed games causes some as well. i'd love to see the average score of all non-simmed games.

[Doodee]

What more is there to experiment? We went through this already and offense on AA was a joke

Until someone plays 12 games, keeps stats, against NDL level competition, I can't be convinced 100% that AA wouldn't be acceptable.

The vote, I believe was what, 57/45 in favor of Heisman? That's a lot of people that didn't agree with that. 57 of you may have agreed somehow that AA was a joke, but that was before any of us had gotten really good at this game on offense AND defense. My guess is guys like BigMIke and Walker will still be good on defense.

I'd just like to see someone try to play 12 games on AA as one team, against a good schedule against decent coaches. If I saw that happen, and it was ridiculous, I would completely sell out to Heisman.

BTW Nole, you're my daddy on this post. I think gameplay would adapt. I think anybody who threw way too much because of faulty AI would be playing unrealistic, and docked on their reports.

I also think there's a great possibility that it wouldn't work, and that Heisman would have been right all along. I'd just like to see an actual experiment with thought behind it, instead of people playing random scrims with random teams against random coaches at the release of a new game and saying it's a joke.

[Doodee]

As a matter of fun, why couldn't we play NDL cup games on AA?

[VTrunNgun]

As a matter of fun, why couldn't we play NDL cup games on AA?

[DRWebs]

As a matter of fun, why couldn't we play NDL cup games on AA?

+10 to VT

[fsupenguin]

5 1,000 yard rushers. 5!
AA=more running
If people ran the ball more this would slow down drives, and not lead to an explosion of points that some seem to think will happen. I believe it would be a lot of fun to have a more offensive minded season plain and simple.

[vicktim7]

As a matter of fun, why couldn't we play NDL cup games on AA?

they never get old

[ajalves]

If you follow your blocks, your opponent doesnt line crash ever play on defense, and you truly WANT to, you can run on Heisman.

Some games I run a lot, so I do not. Just depends on how the game is flowing. As a matter of preference I clearly prefer to pass. I felt that way on every version, even when it was tougher to pass. Running seems to take forever and wind the clock. If I fall behind by more than a TD in a game, in my mind its tougher to stay committed to the run. Seems like in this version of the game it better to have a fast HB than one that is good. I dont run the option, many of us do not. Therefore, tosses and off tackle plays you had better have a fast HB or else its tackle for a loss.

I had Knowshon Moreno last season and as studly as he is, the guy wasnt that fast, therefore most of my runs had to come between the tackles. That becomes a problem because the D line instantly seems to be able to break free from their block if you're within 2 feet of him. I can imagine the D line on a lower level.

Id be curious of the names of the 5 coaches who had 1000 yard backs last season. My guess would be every one of them is a solid coach and won at LEAST 75% of their games last season and most of their run yards can when they were up and no longer needed to pass.

[Nole4real]

clutch post vt...we need more lolcats around here

last season coaches aj were

outlaw (cal), 11-1
Walker (BG), 13-0
Hart (UM), 9-3
Peay (Ball St), 9-3
eabama (wvu), 8-4


but thats my point

I'd rather see "average" coaches rushing for 1000...moreso, even less than average coaches...or teams actually

I know theres ALOT of guys who prefer to pass...espeically the more "successful" coaches..its a better way to move the ball and like real life..if u have a top pass game, you're gonna win more games.

"top" coaches CAN possibly get to 1000..even then its a challenge....i just think the focus for the setting of level should be on the run game....not the pass game because the pass game is "too easy on aa"

its easy for 20% of the coaches but it makes running not just hard but impossible for the other 80% of the guys who dont consider themselves that.

I agree that its tougher to stay commited to the run...but thats because we're on Heisman which is also my point

aa would mean more run, less pick 6's, and hopefully fewer ints for those top guys.

I have to disagree that if your truly WANT to run you can...seems like everyone who has said that has had good hbs

I think the coaches who threw 43, 42, 37, 36 and 34 interceptions last season would disagree too

[Nole4real]

just as note...off top of my head...Riccio, Tat, Jeffdaddy and seeit are some of the best running coaches ive ever played against...and they all WANT to run the ball 1st....if none of them are getting 1000...something is flawed with the system


(as note again though....im not saying i want to switch to AA or nor am i aruguing for next year aa nor am i saying i will vote aa next season....im just asking everyone to have a more open mind when it comes voting time)