Running the ball on heisman

[ajalves]

Even on AA running seems/would see like it eats up the entire game.

Would the OL/FB a.i. go down on AA as well?

Just playign devils advocate here

[Nole4real]

Even on AA running seems/would see like it eats up the entire game.

Would the OL/FB a.i. go down on AA as well?

Just playign devils advocate here

PERFECT question....this is what im asking everyone to think like next season.

i think it does...BUT I think the Dline and defense stoppping the run goes down more so it results in a larger gain for the run game...if that makes any sense.

i know there were more 20+ yard runs on AA

its almost non existent now if your hb runs less than a 92 speed.

on aa there were a few more...not alot but a few....

a few more broken tackles too


by the way homo...im grilling sunday....cheddar burgers..steaks, sausages..bacon

u missing out

[GT25Ump]

I agree with the previous posts, suggesting that SEVEN minute quarters would allow more time to establish, and stick with, the running game (pending how the game plays, come July).

I think this would be a better solution than dropping down to AA, as this is supposed to be an elite league and we are supposed to be emulating Division 1-A football, which is the best of the best, a.k.a. HEISMAN difficulty level. While the rushing/passing numbers didn't balance out well this game, I'd say the majority of us had more fun with this game than any others recently (maybe all the way back to the '04 version). I'm all about variety, but this game being FUN brought back some guys that had left the league, over the past couple years.

But do I want to play anything longer than six minute quarters, NO WAY!

[nick]

just as note...off top of my head...Riccio, Tat, Jeffdaddy and seeit are some of the best running coaches ive ever played against...and they all WANT to run the ball 1st....if none of them are getting 1000...something is flawed with the system


(as note again though....im not saying i want to switch to AA or nor am i aruguing for next year aa nor am i saying i will vote aa next season....im just asking everyone to have a more open mind when it comes voting time)

i think the low rushing is due to high blitz. In this game unless you send people you get no pressure and the fact that passing is a JOKE, it goes hand in hand. Gonna run but get blitzed heavy.

If you guys want, I live a boring life, haha. I'll play 12 people on AA if they want. I pride myself on my ability to run too as thats all I wanted to do.

If I can find 12 people, ill gladly play and keep stats.

[shel311]

BUT also keep in mind if we went AA on this game the passing numbers would be even more outrageous and the D even worse at times than it already is.

Actually though, there's probably only maybe 10 QBs who are putting up what would be considered GOOD numbers on Heisman.

I am fully in support of 1 season on All American.

College football is a more wide open game, but the stats really don't reflect that as of now.

[shel311]

AA would make running alot easier and more fun then just everyone throwing the ball 35 times a game. But what about the guys who have passing down to a fine art. Imagine them guys on AA, what would they do against a AI on AA?

In one scenario, would it would make press coverage a little more acceptable as a more consistent form of defense if passing were a lot easier? Just a thought.

Personally, I was under the impression that press coverage was ok in this version, lol.

Press coverage is great and realistic, IMO. It's a gamble, as the good WRs can break free from it.

Doodee, I also like your idea of guys scrimming with decent backs on AA.

[ajalves]

by the way homo...im grilling sunday....cheddar burgers..steaks, sausages..bacon

This saddens me. I HATE missing out.......

mmmmmm bacon.....

[shel311]

Running seems to take forever and wind the clock. If I fall behind by more than a TD in a game, in my mind its tougher to stay committed to the run. Seems like in this version of the game it better to have a fast HB than one that is good

I completely agree with all of that.

But the reason why running may take so much clock is because it is so damn hard to break 15+ yard runs.

If we go to AA, we'll probably have more RBs average 5-YPC, and maybe break some more long runs, which seems more realistic.

I dont know cause now that I think about it, I dont think i've EVER played a game on AA, lol. So I cant actually say it's better, it just seems better in theory.

I would like to start playing a few on AA now.

[ajalves]

Running seems to take forever and wind the clock. If I fall behind by more than a TD in a game, in my mind its tougher to stay committed to the run. Seems like in this version of the game it better to have a fast HB than one that is good

But the reason why running may take so much clock is because it is so damn hard to break 15+ yard runs.

this could be right.

For the record, i do not care either way. I stink on defense regardless. Not interested really in "getting better" at it.

[brocam]

have a more open mind when it comes voting time

[Nole4real]

have a more open mind when it comes voting time

LOL, its funny because its true

[Cnasty]

I stink on defense regardless. Not interested really in "getting better" at it.

I couldnt have said it better.

We are just going to be bitches and say in every thread...YOU MISSIN THE GRILLIN BITCH!!

[BIGmike]

When NCAA 2010 comes out we'll have one of those fancy poll things and we can all vote on it again. Until then we've played 2 seasons on Heisman, and we're going to play another season on Heisman; but feel free to experiment all you want.

[packsyD22]

I have not played that many games against users on this but I will say that running the ball is a challenge it is something to not give up on, or say is too difficult. I played BigMike for a half who seems to be one of the top players on this game and my HB had around 5 YPC. I have played Shel who is solid too and he shut my run down.....but he has always been able to shut my run down. It is the same way in real life. Some coaches are good schemers against the run and you have to find ways to beat them. Some people also at times get behind a score or two and just abandon it totally trying to play catch up.

What has helped me running the football when I was in this league (4 1000 yd rushers in 6 seasons, plus when I had B Smith and Mizzou I was top 5 in the league in rushing or some shit like that with no 1000 yard back) i just stuck with it. My backs had at least 18+ carries a game....no matter what Also sometimes when its 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 4, try a draw or a dive play they work well on this game and you may catch your opponent off guard. Dont be like the lame ass real UF Gaytors and just run on first down then cheese with the QB the next two plays, lol.

I think Hart said it earlier cutting back is crucial in this game, i cut back almost on every play, you have to make people miss which I have noticed is harder in this game then ever before so you really have to use some vision. Just like any other NCAA game some run plays just don't plain work (the inside zone play gets blown up a lot as an example.)

To switch to AA would be nuts. Have you played some of the better guys on this game on Heisman already? I have gotten a chance to and they pass for 350 on me every game or in one half alone (thanks BigMike). Changing the difficulty is not the answer, changing your strategy is.

Now I have seen some people all for the 7 minute qtrs and that idea I like......I am in some OD that i have played against users with 7 minute quarters and feel like the game had a solid simmed feel to it more so than 6. Unfortunately if ya have played 2 seasons with 6 min quarters your prob gonna have to play the third one with 6, just to be fair to everyone.

One other note, whoever just posted that pic with the cat just made my morning, hahahahaha

[ajalves]

here is the thing about "sticking with the run" or "dont abandon it".......some of us (me especially) arent that good on defense. I could hypothetically stick with the run if i had a snowballs chance in hell of ever getting a meaningful defensive stop. Since i cant really, if i fall down by 10 or more points, Im 90-10 passing. sorry....to me thats realistic.

plus its not like people have bad running number and all the pass #s are through the roof.

[ajalves]

this game is pretty realistic with it, if u pass all the time, and continuously go 3 and out, ur D is gonna play like shit cuz they havent gotten enuff of a rest.

offensive passing isnt really an issue. but i hear what you are saying

[beercop]

I think in real life 58 backs ran for 1000 or more yards. Probley not one qb threw over 27 picks in real life. I would love to run but with Miss St it was fb dive or bust.

[shel311]

i truely dont care what the settings are, but, if people really want to drop down to AA, to improve the running game. In theory, that would also improve the already superhuman passing game.

i would not want to play shel on AA after him carving me thru the air on heisman.

But, here's the difference, I think.

On Heisman, not many people were able to run well.

On Heisman, not many people were able to pass well either.

I think Nole said it best, we have to do what is best for the greatest number of people. The good passers are gonna be good on AA or Heisman.

But probably only 15-20% of the guys in this league pass well. The guys that dont pass so well are also struggling to run, meaning they aren't getting much offense going.

Just throwing out opinions.

[VeniVediV1ci]

personally.. i dont find running all that hard on this game... its ALL cutbacks. i kno its cliche but u really do need to wait for ur blocks, and hit the right holes, i was one of the guys with over 1000 yards rushing. i think i also had over 1000 with my 3 backs at Vandy, the fastest of them was 91 speed. i've always been a running person tho.. so maybe im just more patient with it and stick with it longer.

don't cutback too much because you'll get dinged on Coaches Reports, though

[Nole4real]

For the record guys, there will b no switching this season. We never switch once we've started a 3 leg session.

This is talk about next YEAR. NCAA 2010.

Sorry brocam