And, on the other hand, the powers-that-be can simply say, "Nothing to see here" and most everyone will believe it.fsupenguin wrote:In this day of instant media when literally anyone can upload pictures and videos I have a very hard time something like this could be kept quiet enough to be pulled off.
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If there was ever actual undisputable evidence against the powers that be, they certainly wouldn't be able to say "nothing to see here" aand everyone would just move on, that's silly.trendon wrote:And, on the other hand, the powers-that-be can simply say, "Nothing to see here" and most everyone will believe it.fsupenguin wrote:In this day of instant media when literally anyone can upload pictures and videos I have a very hard time something like this could be kept quiet enough to be pulled off.
And I completely agree with Cdub, if Craft were behind any of this, I can't possibly see them doing so while wearing Craft gear.
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In this day of instant media when literally anyone can upload pictures and videos I have a very hard time understanding why the FBI would need to release public photos to find this guy.fsupenguin wrote:In this day of instant media when literally anyone can upload pictures and videos I have a very hard time something like this could be kept quiet enough to be pulled off.
see how that works?
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I don't think so. I always use the analogy that as long as American Idol is on TV, we are all "fat cats" that won't raise a stink.shel311 wrote:If there was ever actual undisputable evidence against the powers that be, they certainly wouldn't be able to say "nothing to see here" aand everyone would just move on, that's silly.trendon wrote:And, on the other hand, the powers-that-be can simply say, "Nothing to see here" and most everyone will believe it.fsupenguin wrote:In this day of instant media when literally anyone can upload pictures and videos I have a very hard time something like this could be kept quiet enough to be pulled off.
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Look, let me put it plainly. At best, the government we elect is not here to help us. At worst, they are out to fuck us. Police, Congress, DHS ... they are not here for us, they are here for themselves and that is it. Most of the time, we have a common enemy (terrorists, rapists, murderers, that asshole who wants to paint his house pink with yellow coyotes and ruin your property values) so they go about their business and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
But, every so often, what they want runs counter to what we want (CISPA, illegal detentions, eminant domain, etc) and there is absolutely nothing that will stop them from doing it whether they have to lie, wag the dog, cover shit up, or false flag. Too much money. A government will always want a martial law like society. How they get there has changed, it is psychological now; make us WANT it.
I guarantee you at least one of the horrible tragedies over the past twenty years has been 100% us. Pick one.
But, every so often, what they want runs counter to what we want (CISPA, illegal detentions, eminant domain, etc) and there is absolutely nothing that will stop them from doing it whether they have to lie, wag the dog, cover shit up, or false flag. Too much money. A government will always want a martial law like society. How they get there has changed, it is psychological now; make us WANT it.
I guarantee you at least one of the horrible tragedies over the past twenty years has been 100% us. Pick one.
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Indisputable evidence? No chance, not even close.
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That's the rub, there will never be indisputable evidence. It is impossible to even get that far down the argument. Let's say they caught this craft group doing shit and the cameras got it and an interview got it and yadda yadda. With the way CNN and Fox and MSNBC behaved, we'd have four different versions of the event told to us. So, we wouldn't even know what we - the viewers - were watching. Then, all the leaders would have to do is then charge the craft people as terrorists and call them rogue.
You are right, 100% evidence of some stooge killing children? We'd go nuts. But, again, there would never even be that much evidence before it is scrubbed, disputed for years in courts, or we get the magician "look over here" trick. And our fucking media can't be relied upon to present anything to us accurately.
We'd never get to the part where we go nuts. And, quite honestly, I even doubt we'd do anything other than jump up and down fo weeks at the water cooler and then vote party-line in the next election, swearing it was the other side's fault.
You are right, 100% evidence of some stooge killing children? We'd go nuts. But, again, there would never even be that much evidence before it is scrubbed, disputed for years in courts, or we get the magician "look over here" trick. And our fucking media can't be relied upon to present anything to us accurately.
We'd never get to the part where we go nuts. And, quite honestly, I even doubt we'd do anything other than jump up and down fo weeks at the water cooler and then vote party-line in the next election, swearing it was the other side's fault.
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good guy Saudi Arabia
Http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 52,00.html
Saudi Arabia is hoping to wean jailed al-Qaeda terrorists off religious extremism with counseling, spa treatments and plenty of exercise at a luxury rehabilitation center in Riyadh.
In between sessions with counselors and talks on religion, prisoners will be able to relax in the center's facilities which include an Olympic-size indoor swimming pool, a sauna, gym and a television hall.
"Just under 3,000 (Islamist prisoners) will have to go through one of these centers before they can be released," interior ministry spokesman General Mansur al-Turki told AFP during a tour of the new center.
Another center has already opened in the western port city of Jeddah, and three more are planned for the north, east and south of the desert kingdom.
The new facility in Riyadh, however, is the first to offer inmates a taste of luxury as an incentive to moderate their beliefs.
Good behavior could earn them a two-day break with their wives.
During the day, the prisoners will attend seminars on religious affairs, aimed at steering them away from thoughts of jihad.
"In order to fight terrorism, we must give them an intellectual and psychological balance... through dialogue and persuasion," said the director of the rehabilitation centers, Said al-Bishi.
"The percentage of those who rejoin the deviant minority does not exceed 10%," Bishi said, a proportion he described as "encouraging".
Http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 52,00.html
Saudi Arabia is hoping to wean jailed al-Qaeda terrorists off religious extremism with counseling, spa treatments and plenty of exercise at a luxury rehabilitation center in Riyadh.
In between sessions with counselors and talks on religion, prisoners will be able to relax in the center's facilities which include an Olympic-size indoor swimming pool, a sauna, gym and a television hall.
"Just under 3,000 (Islamist prisoners) will have to go through one of these centers before they can be released," interior ministry spokesman General Mansur al-Turki told AFP during a tour of the new center.
Another center has already opened in the western port city of Jeddah, and three more are planned for the north, east and south of the desert kingdom.
The new facility in Riyadh, however, is the first to offer inmates a taste of luxury as an incentive to moderate their beliefs.
Good behavior could earn them a two-day break with their wives.
During the day, the prisoners will attend seminars on religious affairs, aimed at steering them away from thoughts of jihad.
"In order to fight terrorism, we must give them an intellectual and psychological balance... through dialogue and persuasion," said the director of the rehabilitation centers, Said al-Bishi.
"The percentage of those who rejoin the deviant minority does not exceed 10%," Bishi said, a proportion he described as "encouraging".
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rnaev.html
As the agency was accused of "dropping the ball" over the case, NBC News reported that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been seen making six visits to a known Islamic militant in a mosque in the Russian republic of Dagestan.
The visits came during a six month trip that Tamerlan made to the city of Makhachkala to see his family, NBC said.
According to a local police official, a case file on Tsarnaev was then handed over to the FBI along with a request for further information. However, the FBI never replied.
The agency has already admitted that it interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011 after Russia raised concerns that he was becoming a follower of radical Islam, but found nothing "derogatory" against him and did not pursue the case further.
The 26-year-old, who allegedly orchestrated last Monday's bombings with his younger brother Dzhokhar, was killed in the early hours of Friday morning in a shootout with police. It came just hours after police released images of the pair to the public.
In a further twist, Channel 4 News claimed on Sunday that Tamerlan had phoned home in the wake of the bombings and told his mother that the FBI had already called him to accuse him of being responsible.
According to the report, Tamerlan telephoned his mother on Wednesday last week and said he had replied to the FBI's accusations by saying: "That's your problem". The claims emerged from an interview with his father, Ansor.
The FBI declined to comment directly on either claim on Sunday.
However, if either is confirmed, they will add significant weight to the growing chorus of criticism of the FBI, which came on Sunday from senior members of Congress who accused the Bureau of repeatedly "dropping the ball".
Michael McCaul, the chair of House Homeland Security Committee, said the FBI must explain why it failed to keep track of Tsarnaev after the 2011 interview, particularly after he visited his family in Dagestan, which is a known centre of Islamist militancy and training facilities.
"If he [Tamerlan Tsarnaev] was on the radar and they let him go, if he was on the Russians' radar, why wasn't a flag put on him, some sort of customs flag?" Mr McCaul asked on CNN, adding that there were clear signs that Tsarnaev had been radicalized during his trip.
"One of the first things he does [upon his return] is puts up a YouTube website throwing out a lot of jihadist rhetoric. Clearly something happened, in my judgment, in that six-month timeframe – he radicalized at some point in time," Mr McCaul added. "Where was that and how did that happen?"
In a further sign that Tsarnaev's record was in the US security apparatus, the New York Times reported yesterday that a "hold" had been placed on his citizenship request by the Department of Homeland Security after routine background checks discovered the FBI's former interest in him.
The FBI has also not explained why it did not immediately retrieve the Tsarnaev file after the bombs exploded on Monday afternoon – an event which should have triggered routine checks on those suspected of involvement in with Islamist militant groups.
Even when three days later, when the FBI correctly identified the bombers after reviewing hours of the CCTV footage and public smartphone videos of the race, they failed to cross-reference the photograph with a man whose picture they already had on file.
When contacted by The Daily Telegraph to ask why Tamerlan's file had been overlooked in the aftermath of the bombings, the FBI said it would not comment on "operational matters".
While at pains to praise the bravery of police in the hunt for the bombers, which ended last Friday night with Tamerlan, 26, dead and his younger brother Dzhokhar, 19, in hospital in a 'serious' condition, senior politicians yesterday openly questioned the competence of the FBI.
"The ball was dropped in one of two ways," said senator Lindsey Graham on CNN warning that the FBI needed to improve its performance, "The FBI missed a lot of things, is one potential answer, or our laws do not allow the FBI to follow up in a sound solid way."
"It's people like this that you don't want to let out of your sight, and this was a mistake," he added. "Either our laws are insufficient or the FBI failed, but we're at war with radical Islamists and we need to up our game."
Another Republican, congressman Peter King, chairman of the House sub-committee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence, was even more direct, accusing the FBI of having a track-record of failure in monitoring potential terror threats.
"This is at least the fifth case I'm aware of where the FBI has failed to stop someone," Mr King told Fox News, citing cases including that of Anwar al-Awlaki, who planned terrorist attacks as part of al Qaeda and Nidal Malik Hasan, who opened fire at Fort Hood, Texas, in 2009 killing 13 people.
"This is the latest in a series of cases like this...where the FBI is given information about someone as being a potential terrorist; they look at them, and then they don't take action, and then they go out and commit murders."
As the agency was accused of "dropping the ball" over the case, NBC News reported that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been seen making six visits to a known Islamic militant in a mosque in the Russian republic of Dagestan.
The visits came during a six month trip that Tamerlan made to the city of Makhachkala to see his family, NBC said.
According to a local police official, a case file on Tsarnaev was then handed over to the FBI along with a request for further information. However, the FBI never replied.
The agency has already admitted that it interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011 after Russia raised concerns that he was becoming a follower of radical Islam, but found nothing "derogatory" against him and did not pursue the case further.
The 26-year-old, who allegedly orchestrated last Monday's bombings with his younger brother Dzhokhar, was killed in the early hours of Friday morning in a shootout with police. It came just hours after police released images of the pair to the public.
In a further twist, Channel 4 News claimed on Sunday that Tamerlan had phoned home in the wake of the bombings and told his mother that the FBI had already called him to accuse him of being responsible.
According to the report, Tamerlan telephoned his mother on Wednesday last week and said he had replied to the FBI's accusations by saying: "That's your problem". The claims emerged from an interview with his father, Ansor.
The FBI declined to comment directly on either claim on Sunday.
However, if either is confirmed, they will add significant weight to the growing chorus of criticism of the FBI, which came on Sunday from senior members of Congress who accused the Bureau of repeatedly "dropping the ball".
Michael McCaul, the chair of House Homeland Security Committee, said the FBI must explain why it failed to keep track of Tsarnaev after the 2011 interview, particularly after he visited his family in Dagestan, which is a known centre of Islamist militancy and training facilities.
"If he [Tamerlan Tsarnaev] was on the radar and they let him go, if he was on the Russians' radar, why wasn't a flag put on him, some sort of customs flag?" Mr McCaul asked on CNN, adding that there were clear signs that Tsarnaev had been radicalized during his trip.
"One of the first things he does [upon his return] is puts up a YouTube website throwing out a lot of jihadist rhetoric. Clearly something happened, in my judgment, in that six-month timeframe – he radicalized at some point in time," Mr McCaul added. "Where was that and how did that happen?"
In a further sign that Tsarnaev's record was in the US security apparatus, the New York Times reported yesterday that a "hold" had been placed on his citizenship request by the Department of Homeland Security after routine background checks discovered the FBI's former interest in him.
The FBI has also not explained why it did not immediately retrieve the Tsarnaev file after the bombs exploded on Monday afternoon – an event which should have triggered routine checks on those suspected of involvement in with Islamist militant groups.
Even when three days later, when the FBI correctly identified the bombers after reviewing hours of the CCTV footage and public smartphone videos of the race, they failed to cross-reference the photograph with a man whose picture they already had on file.
When contacted by The Daily Telegraph to ask why Tamerlan's file had been overlooked in the aftermath of the bombings, the FBI said it would not comment on "operational matters".
While at pains to praise the bravery of police in the hunt for the bombers, which ended last Friday night with Tamerlan, 26, dead and his younger brother Dzhokhar, 19, in hospital in a 'serious' condition, senior politicians yesterday openly questioned the competence of the FBI.
"The ball was dropped in one of two ways," said senator Lindsey Graham on CNN warning that the FBI needed to improve its performance, "The FBI missed a lot of things, is one potential answer, or our laws do not allow the FBI to follow up in a sound solid way."
"It's people like this that you don't want to let out of your sight, and this was a mistake," he added. "Either our laws are insufficient or the FBI failed, but we're at war with radical Islamists and we need to up our game."
Another Republican, congressman Peter King, chairman of the House sub-committee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence, was even more direct, accusing the FBI of having a track-record of failure in monitoring potential terror threats.
"This is at least the fifth case I'm aware of where the FBI has failed to stop someone," Mr King told Fox News, citing cases including that of Anwar al-Awlaki, who planned terrorist attacks as part of al Qaeda and Nidal Malik Hasan, who opened fire at Fort Hood, Texas, in 2009 killing 13 people.
"This is the latest in a series of cases like this...where the FBI is given information about someone as being a potential terrorist; they look at them, and then they don't take action, and then they go out and commit murders."
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That doesn't make sense dude, are you thinking just cause I can google 1,000 of images from that day that your or I should be able to find good pictures of potential suspects?nick wrote:In this day of instant media when literally anyone can upload pictures and videos I have a very hard time understanding why the FBI would need to release public photos to find this guy.fsupenguin wrote:In this day of instant media when literally anyone can upload pictures and videos I have a very hard time something like this could be kept quiet enough to be pulled off.
see how that works?
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the above article is gonna show why even if you knew, nothing you could do.
"When contacted by The Daily Telegraph to ask why Tamerlan's file had been overlooked in the aftermath of the bombings, the FBI said it would not comment on "operational matters"."
theres your answer. they wont comment.
"When contacted by The Daily Telegraph to ask why Tamerlan's file had been overlooked in the aftermath of the bombings, the FBI said it would not comment on "operational matters"."
theres your answer. they wont comment.
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Precisely. There would never be the indisputable evidence because they'll just keep saying, "No" and "No comment"nick wrote:the above article is gonna show why even if you knew, nothing you could do.
"When contacted by The Daily Telegraph to ask why Tamerlan's file had been overlooked in the aftermath of the bombings, the FBI said it would not comment on "operational matters"."
theres your answer. they wont comment.
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man, luckily we have trendon and nick to shed light on these situations.... otherwise nobody would ever question authority cause everyone else is puppets.
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truth be told I couldn't care less about it. I'm not American so its not like my country got bombed.DRiccio21 wrote:man, luckily we have trendon and nick to shed light on these situations.... otherwise nobody would ever question authority cause everyone else is puppets.
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If them saying "no" or "no comment" means anything towards evidence, then it's safe to say that evidence isn't indisputable lol.trendon wrote:Precisely. There would never be the indisputable evidence because they'll just keep saying, "No" and "No comment"nick wrote:the above article is gonna show why even if you knew, nothing you could do.
"When contacted by The Daily Telegraph to ask why Tamerlan's file had been overlooked in the aftermath of the bombings, the FBI said it would not comment on "operational matters"."
theres your answer. they wont comment.
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The_Niddler wrote:Seriously?jsence2 wrote: 3) Why did they open fire on the boat with over 150 rounds of ammunition when the kid had no weapons left to fight with and never even indicated that he was threatening them (he did nothing when they told him to come out), and then--only after the media rushed to the scene--did they stop firing and suddenly want to "take him alive"? You unloaded an entire arsenal into the boat and THEN you decide you want to try to take him alive? That makes absolutely no sense to me.
The kid commits an act of terrorism and the night before shoots back at police and we do not know if it was he or his brother that murdered the cop and you want to ask why they were unloading 150 rounds at the boat?
That's not what I asked. I asked why, if your goal was to take him alive, you would unload that much ammo into the boat.
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If it wasn't 'only until after the media showed up' that they stopped firing then how do we have footage of before during and after the firefight.
you think the head guy was looking around and said... 'shit there is WJAR, stop firing... I think I see Erin Burnett coming, everyone smile!'
you think the head guy was looking around and said... 'shit there is WJAR, stop firing... I think I see Erin Burnett coming, everyone smile!'
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All studies showthat red light cameras are unconstitutional, dangerous, and the public has no say in them. Yet, nobody says a peep because the owners of the cameras simply say, "for safety" (even though they are not) and everyone goes "Oh, Ok."
Now iimagine something more important than spying and traffic fines.
Now iimagine something more important than spying and traffic fines.