COVID-19

[nick]

One thing I'm struggling to wrap my head around in terms of time line... and I know things aren't linear, but it's not quite making sense to me...

Order of events:
- NY starts seeing a lot of cases
- Ohio jumps out in front and starts implementing drastic measures before most other states
- NY continues to grow with issues over the next 2 weeks
- Ohio is 'slowing the spread' and 'lowering the curve' in our region
- Ohio has a peak date listed as of April 9th
- NY has over 100k active cases as of today
- When restrictions are pulled back, how is it possible that Ohio doesn't blow up? In theory, our population hasn't actually seen the peak of the virus because we've done more to delay it.

I guess what I'm getting at is that there's absolutely no way that the 'peak' for Ohio is April 9th and in fact, because of the early measures, our peak will be much later than others.

(This theory probably holds true for other states that acted early or are more centrally located and haven't seen a rise in cases yet.)

Part of the problem with distancing too early: If you resume to business as usual afterwards, youve simply pushed the peaked back. Hospitals still overwhelmed, just at a later date.

UK prime minister is on Oxygen

While Im not trying to minimize this, being on oxygen doesnt tell me much. Its doesnt take much to be put on O2 in the hospital. That being said, Id be alarmed if he gets transferred to the ICU, which means intubation could be next. From docs Ive spoken with anecdotally, mortality once intubated is quite high

For sure. The worry would be that he has private medical care at his home in London and still needed to go to the hospital at 10pm on a Sunday

[dakshdar]

I still can't understand people on my Facebook page that are saying this isn't that serious and it's just like the flu.

Flu (on average) is about 40k worldwide deaths a year.

Coronavirus is closing in on 70k in 3 months without looking like it's anywhere near slowing down/tailing off.

Isn't that 40k a US number?

The WHO estimates that between 290-600k die annually from the flu, 12k-61k in the US.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-f ... every-year

You are correct sir. The articles I was reading weren't clear on the US vs World part. Thanks for the better article link.

[nick]

Fucked up thing for me is this shit could go forever and I wouldn’t be effected. I still have work, fathers on disability for injuries from work and my mom works at a pharmacy.

I’m waiting for the market crash and buying a house for 1/5th it’s previous price

[nick]

Damn former saints kicker Tom Dempsey died from covid. Same with Pep Guardiolas mom.

[cougnix]

Fucked up thing for me is this shit could go forever and I wouldn’t be effected. I still have work, fathers on disability for injuries from work and my mom works at a pharmacy.

I’m waiting for the market crash and buying a house for 1/5th it’s previous price

Not sure where you get the idea that housing prices will go down. They have said that house prices won't be affected by this, people just won't sell and with mortgage relief and other safeguards, I'm not sure the foreclosure market will be the same as the last recession. I'm not a real estate expert by any means, but that's just what I have seen in our area.

[nick]

Fucked up thing for me is this shit could go forever and I wouldn’t be effected. I still have work, fathers on disability for injuries from work and my mom works at a pharmacy.

I’m waiting for the market crash and buying a house for 1/5th it’s previous price

Not sure where you get the idea that housing prices will go down. They have said that house prices won't be affected by this, people just won't sell and with mortgage relief and other safeguards, I'm not sure the foreclosure market will be the same as the last recession. I'm not a real estate expert by any means, but that's just what I have seen in our area.

There was already a recession coming with or without the pandemic. Now that it’s gonna be a depression I think prices will drop.

[The_Niddler]

I was going to say June 1st as others have stated. I am really hoping it does not go into July or August.
Kids need to have a summer and I am hoping they can have a graduation in June for all the seniors this year.

[nick]

If u wanna go out in June just go out now. You’re gonna be apart of the problem regardless you might as well speed it up

[ReignOnU]

Crowes...

Every unbiased description of ProPublica will tell you that they are left or left-centrist. I pulled the quote direct from Wikipedia of all places. If your argument is "well, at least they aren't the Palmer Report," then ok... no idea why that matters.

[GeorgesGoons]

Fucked up thing for me is this shit could go forever and I wouldn’t be effected. I still have work, fathers on disability for injuries from work and my mom works at a pharmacy.

I’m waiting for the market crash and buying a house for 1/5th it’s previous price

Not sure where you get the idea that housing prices will go down. They have said that house prices won't be affected by this, people just won't sell and with mortgage relief and other safeguards, I'm not sure the foreclosure market will be the same as the last recession. I'm not a real estate expert by any means, but that's just what I have seen in our area.

There was already a recession coming with or without the pandemic. Now that it’s gonna be a depression I think prices will drop.

I'm guessing this is guess as it is not backed by any facts ....

Did we even have 1 negative GDP month let alone the 2 quarters of negative GDP to be considered a recession? And that is usually coupled with higher unemployment, which we have had great unemployment numbers till this hit.

[cougnix]

There might be some areas that are affected, maybe overpriced markets, but it isn't going to be a widespread issue in my opinion. Your problem is going to be the interest rates. Housing markets might lose a bit of value, but the interest rate is going to go up, before house prices go down.

[ReignOnU]

There was already a recession coming with or without the pandemic. Now that it’s gonna be a depression I think prices will drop.

Why is everything always so doom and gloom with you?

Recession, a good chance of a 1-2 year impact. Depression, incredibly unlikely. About the only way I see that happening is with Sanders elected president, with both the senate and house as Dem majority and we get a 2nd wave that's equal to this wave in the Fall/Winter. Then we could get something that has serious impact for more than 3 years.

[nick]

Fucked up thing for me is this shit could go forever and I wouldn’t be effected. I still have work, fathers on disability for injuries from work and my mom works at a pharmacy.

I’m waiting for the market crash and buying a house for 1/5th it’s previous price

Not sure where you get the idea that housing prices will go down. They have said that house prices won't be affected by this, people just won't sell and with mortgage relief and other safeguards, I'm not sure the foreclosure market will be the same as the last recession. I'm not a real estate expert by any means, but that's just what I have seen in our area.

There was already a recession coming with or without the pandemic. Now that it’s gonna be a depression I think prices will drop.

I'm guessing this is guess as it is not backed by any facts ....

Did we even have 1 negative GDP month let alone the 2 quarters of negative GDP to be considered a recession? And that is usually coupled with higher unemployment, which we have had great unemployment numbers till this hit.

I’ll take the advice of a financial advisor over you but thanks.

[Crowes]

Crowes...

Every unbiased description of ProPublica will tell you that they are left or left-centrist. I pulled the quote direct from Wikipedia of all places. If your argument is "well, at least they aren't the Palmer Report," then ok... no idea why that matters.

Unbiased meaning anything that conforms to your bubble huh.

[GeorgesGoons]

Fucked up thing for me is this shit could go forever and I wouldn’t be effected. I still have work, fathers on disability for injuries from work and my mom works at a pharmacy.

I’m waiting for the market crash and buying a house for 1/5th it’s previous price

Not sure where you get the idea that housing prices will go down. They have said that house prices won't be affected by this, people just won't sell and with mortgage relief and other safeguards, I'm not sure the foreclosure market will be the same as the last recession. I'm not a real estate expert by any means, but that's just what I have seen in our area.

There was already a recession coming with or without the pandemic. Now that it’s gonna be a depression I think prices will drop.

I'm guessing this is guess as it is not backed by any facts ....

Did we even have 1 negative GDP month let alone the 2 quarters of negative GDP to be considered a recession? And that is usually coupled with higher unemployment, which we have had great unemployment numbers till this hit.

I’ll take the advice of a financial advisor over you but thanks.

But you are missing the point. They aren't backed by facts. Those financial experts were saying in February 2016 the economy was going to go down hill with Trump as president. The tax breaks were going to break the economy. It goes on and on with these experts being wrong time and time again.

[nick]

Not sure where you get the idea that housing prices will go down. They have said that house prices won't be affected by this, people just won't sell and with mortgage relief and other safeguards, I'm not sure the foreclosure market will be the same as the last recession. I'm not a real estate expert by any means, but that's just what I have seen in our area.

There was already a recession coming with or without the pandemic. Now that it’s gonna be a depression I think prices will drop.

I'm guessing this is guess as it is not backed by any facts ....

Did we even have 1 negative GDP month let alone the 2 quarters of negative GDP to be considered a recession? And that is usually coupled with higher unemployment, which we have had great unemployment numbers till this hit.

I’ll take the advice of a financial advisor over you but thanks.

But you are missing the point. They aren't backed by facts. Those financial experts were saying in February 2016 the economy was going to go down hill with Trump as president. The tax breaks were going to break the economy. It goes on and on with these experts being wrong time and time again.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... oronavirus

[nick]

Ya experts are wrong and George is right. My bad.

[ReignOnU]

Crowes...

Every unbiased description of ProPublica will tell you that they are left or left-centrist. I pulled the quote direct from Wikipedia of all places. If your argument is "well, at least they aren't the Palmer Report," then ok... no idea why that matters.

Unbiased meaning anything that conforms to your bubble huh.

Or just unbiased... everything you don't agree with isn't a conspiracy or slanted. Every source of a basic internet search tells you what I've posted.

[GeorgesGoons]

Ya experts are wrong and George is right. My bad.

C'mon now. This was an article in the height of the COVID epidemic with everyone knowing the economical implications of the social distancing.

You said:

There was already a recession coming with or without the pandemic

There was nothing that supported that claim prior to the epidemic. Not one piece of data suggested that we were on a crash course with a recession. Anyone that suggested we were heading down that road was guessing. And history has shown over the past 3 years that those people were wrong over and over again with the impacts this president has done with the US economy.

[nick]

Ya experts are wrong and George is right. My bad.

C'mon now. This was an article in the height of the COVID epidemic with everyone knowing the economical implications of the social distancing.

You said:

There was already a recession coming with or without the pandemic

There was nothing that supported that claim prior to the epidemic. Not one piece of data suggested that we were on a crash course with a recession. Anyone that suggested we were heading down that road was guessing. And history has shown over the past 3 years that those people were wrong over and over again with the impacts this president has done with the US economy.

The article was posted on March 6th but sure