Any New Rules being added for NCAA 10?

[outlaw]

I agree. Ive tested with it and even if you guess wrong your line completely slants and confuses the Oline and is still in the backfield.

Just another example of the over done risk/reward gimmicks added this year.

Not a fan.

Hmm really I gotta test this more then.. Cause I notice you slant wrong way and you in trouble.. but if you run a draw and slant any direction .. it blows them up.

But I really dont use it much to scared to judge wrong.. So I guess that is why I have noticed it working anyway.

Only 2 plays I saw work well were toss and stretch if they guessed wrong way. Draws, any Shotgun run, isos and blasts just got demolished.

Ok I coming over to cnasty and dr webbs side now on this.. After playing against it for a majority of a few games now, and then testing it in practice modes.. I have noticed that this feature when guessing run middle run left and run right is no different then line crashing.

Specially when you shift your line against the direction you are choosing to guess. It even works against the pass and that is what troubles me.

I mean if you play run and I pass your line should not be crashing through with pressure and sacks, where is my reward for passing. Also I find that yes unless you run a toss or stretch you are not gaining any if the guy guessed wrong. And the toss and stretch dont even work that well if the line was shifted against the crash.

So I stand corrected on this feature.. I m thinking this feature is way overdone and is the same as line crashing.

I agree with this to this was way over done.

[Dolemitesooner]

Well there needs to be a decision on this because everyone seems to be using it in scrims so I have been using it too.

Blast and runs up the middle do not work this year if a person guesses any run at all.

Also you can never guess pass and sack the Qb quicker guessing left or right.

I will not use the feature if there is a rule but until then I am using it because the only player I have not scene abuse it is Nole

[bigred]

yeah...im not a big fan of the guess run either...the run can be stopped/contained w/o using it...

[ajalves]

Well there needs to be a decision on this because everyone seems to be using it in scrims so I have been using it too.

Blast and runs up the middle do not work this year if a person guesses any run at all.

Also you can never guess pass and sack the Qb quicker guessing left or right.

I will not use the feature if there is a rule but until then I am using it because the only player I have not scene abuse it is Nole

excuse me, i didnt when i killed you either

[Dolemitesooner]

Well there needs to be a decision on this because everyone seems to be using it in scrims so I have been using it too.

Blast and runs up the middle do not work this year if a person guesses any run at all.

Also you can never guess pass and sack the Qb quicker guessing left or right.

I will not use the feature if there is a rule but until then I am using it because the only player I have not scene abuse it is Nole

excuse me, i didnt when i killed you either

I didn't know about the function then. I bitched at bearass after that unitl he told me how to do it.

[texasfan4444]

Well there needs to be a decision on this because everyone seems to be using it in scrims so I have been using it too.

Blast and runs up the middle do not work this year if a person guesses any run at all.

Also you can never guess pass and sack the Qb quicker guessing left or right.

I will not use the feature if there is a rule but until then I am using it because the only player I have not scene abuse it is Nole

excuse me, i didnt when i killed you either

uhm....Doley....i didnt know even know about this feature until I played you and you destroyed me with it.

[DRiccio21]

i run the ball 30+ times a game and i havent noticed that its all that bad. i actually like it, i bust big runs when they pick the wrong side

[BigStimpin]

I wanna here what the word is on the new guess system. I dont know what it is called now but the thing where you guess run left, right, middle, or pass before every play.

If you guess left or right run in slants your line and it really wrecks people. When I guess right My Dt's will blow right past the O-line and make a play.

This is probably the only thing I haven't liked in this years game. Definitely something that needs to be used in moderation, if even used at all

To me its a catch 22 type of thing. To whom it may concern, I'm cool with it.

[ReignOnU]

I've gouged and been gouged by this feature when it's guessed wrong. And I haven't had the same trouble with running dives. If someone guesses left and my dive is right, that's a first down. The line seems to create a diagonal wall and you just have to keep it inside the CB/OLB. If you try to bounce it, then you get busted. But that's just because you tried to bounce it, not because they made some kind of adjustment.

And if you someone guesses run left, just step your QB to the right a bit and look to go over top. The DBs tend to bite on run guesses.

The one issue I do see is a Run Left guess with a S/CB blitz coming right. Then it's just down to read/react skills to get the hot WR, if there is one.

[6ftdeep]

Ok I see what you all are saying.. now play someone who downright uses it for it really is .. line crashing with a solid defense and you will see what I am talking about.. You will see that the feature is completely overdone.

If you shift your line and lbs with the guessing they will blow your oline up and stop you 80% to 90% of the time even if they guessed the wrong thing..

[Nole4real]

I dont have a problem with it....I wont use it myself because when I do it...I almost ALWAYS see a HUGE td run the other way if the person has calld counter or weakside toss.

I've even seen hoos and someone else I cant remember bust backside on a dive where I did call key run strong side when i was experimenting with the feature.

I've also noticed that if I call a pass play and someone guessed/keyed run right or left...if I slide/drop my qb back AWAY from that side....I get way more passing time and have had some REALLY open wr's.

In short its my opinion this should fall under the "use in moderation". most of you are vets and you know the league. If you use the feature the biggest risk vs reward you'll be taking isnt whether you can stop the hb in the backfield...it'll be how hard you're possibly setting yourself up to fail in the coaches report which is 40% of your final score...compared to the 20% for wins vs losses.

If you're playing me though use it all you want. I have plenty of counters and weaksided tosses in my new book

[Cnasty]

If you shift your line and lbs with the guessing they will blow your oline up and stop you 80% to 90% of the time even if they guessed the wrong thing..

Agreed, very annoying.

The way I would put it though since we never did officially outlaw line crashing even though it was unbearable in very early versions, is moderation.

Do we all know that line crashing caused the line to get to the QB almost immediately at times, yes. Did we ever outlaw it, no.

BUT we did have it as one of those "in moderation" type things that is "frowned upon". I know I personally never use it and doubt I will but we all play differently.

[6ftdeep]

I dont have a problem with it....I wont use it myself because when I do it...I almost ALWAYS see a HUGE td run the other way if the person has calld counter or weakside toss.

I've even seen hoos and someone else I cant remember bust backside on a dive where I did call key run strong side when i was experimenting with the feature.

I've also noticed that if I call a pass play and someone guessed/keyed run right or left...if I slide/drop my qb back AWAY from that side....I get way more passing time and have had some REALLY open wr's.

In short its my opinion this should fall under the "use in moderation". most of you are vets and you know the league. If you use the feature the biggest risk vs reward you'll be taking isnt whether you can stop the hb in the backfield...it'll be how hard you're possibly setting yourself up to fail in the coaches report which is 40% of your final score...compared to the 20% for wins vs losses.

If you're playing me though use it all you want. I have plenty of counters and weaksided tosses in my new book

ahh you are missing the point here.. do this .. go to practice mode..

Set up a weakside counter play or toss.. Against a fast defense say the Gators or any A
defense with speed.

Run 4-3 Shift the line toward the weak side but crash strong side.. Shift linebackers spread or strong side while bringing a saftey up to help guard weakside, or use the olb on that side and slide weak.. See how effective your toss or counter is then..

I m saying the future can easily be abused from the onstart. Where the reward becomes way greater then the risk. Thus then becoming overdone, or glitching like linecrashing where using it in such a manner gains an unadvantage due to AI.

[Nole4real]

if i go into practice mode against the gators and i have any team that is B+ or less...im not expecting that team to be able to sucessfully consistently run against them....thats why they are the #1 team on the game...the TEAM is good...you cant overcome coaching mistakes when the team is that much betetr than yours.

u take florida and give mike or talented1 Cal or USC...let them call a counter or backside play against you and i guranteee you 75% of the time they are gonna bust a nice little run vs you.

same for a B+ defense vs a B- or less offense... or any other variation where the defense is better than the offense

anyway, point like i said is moderation.

[Nole4real]

lemme add one more thing while we're on the subject...I understand someone voicing their frustration or opinion on something but whatd I'd ask is keep in mind the big picture.

We simply can not have rules for every possible thing. There is a fine line between a "rules based league" and a league where there are so many rules and so many different interpretations of those rules that it does nothing but create more conflict than it does keeping order.

Simply the same reason why there wasnt a "rule" vs line crashing will be the basis for the decision that AJ makes here....

How do you word a rule for this? how do yo monitor a rule for this? is it against the "rules" for someone to call bump n run 37 consecutive times during a game?..No...but the coach will feel the feedback vis a vis the low score on their coaching reports.

There is no rule needed imo.

[BFiVL]

nole hit it on the head. If you feel someone is doing something that is taking advantage of a flaw double bump, line crashing, nano blitzing, etc..... Knock their dick in the dirt on coaches reports.

[Dolemitesooner]

[quote="Nole4real"]

In short its my opinion this should fall under the "use in moderation". most of you are vets and you know the league. If you use the feature the biggest risk vs reward you'll be taking isnt whether you can stop the hb in the backfield...it'll be how hard you're possibly setting yourself up to fail in the coaches report which is 40% of your final score...compared to the 20% for wins vs losses.
[quote]
I think its so funny when people say this because coaches reports seem to matter not. After the bonus points for winning bowls and rivalry games they dont matter.

Coaches reports are a joke.

I get nailed every year, but for some reason I go 0- 12 every year.

[Cnasty]

Coaches reports are a joke.

Tell that to a lot of the coaches that cant keep their teams and dont make their points due to low coaches reports.

[Nole4real]

Coaches reports are a joke.

I get nailed every year.

#1 - thats a little bit of an exaggeration.

#2 - Dont ask, Dont tell.

[oldschoola]

If you shift your line and lbs with the guessing they will blow your oline up and stop you 80% to 90% of the time even if they guessed the wrong thing..

Agreed, very annoying.

The way I would put it though since we never did officially outlaw line crashing even though it was unbearable in very early versions, is moderation.

Do we all know that line crashing caused the line to get to the QB almost immediately at times, yes. Did we ever outlaw it, no.

BUT we did have it as one of those "in moderation" type things that is "frowned upon". I know I personally never use it and doubt I will but we all play differently.

no shit!!