Politics and stuff

[Crowes]

George saying jsense can't think objectively about the situation because he says trump was impeached by all democrats but right before him he floats BS that trump was exonerated by just the exact opposite of nothing but republicans.... Man thats rich

[ReignOnU]

Some of these hot takes are as laughable as the exaggerated coverage. What happened yesterday certainly isn't right, but it's far from what we saw this summer. I wasn't able to follow minute by minute yesterday, but I saw 2 videos of the shooting, the follow up of the 2 by-standers to the shooting outside and numerous pics and clips of other stuff.

The female was shot as she was climbing through a window (side of an entry), unarmed, no real threat to anything. Initial reports would have had you thinking we had an active shooter ready to mow down every Dem politician in there. When it came out she was a protestor and potentially shot by a guard, no one gave a shit. Imagine that happened if this were leftists rushing in against a Trump presidency. The outrage would have burned DC to the ground last night. Even the commentary on social media was a joke. So hypocritical to see 1 side laughing about it, when they know damn well they'd have been crying foul and rioting if it were the other way around.

Speaking of burning DC to the ground... that's what everyone told me was going on. Such a horrible event that they went back in and resumed the vote. What about those "armed standoffs?" Still waiting for the pics of protestors raising their arms at law enforcement and trying to hold their ground or push forward. The only people taking aim were LEO/security as people tried to enter chambers. Nothing came of that.... why? Because it wasn't an armed standoff.

1 building, glass broken, stupid costumes worn, pictures taken in the VP's chair, 1 non-threatening female protestor shot, building cleared out and work resumed within 10 hours. Those are facts. Those facts don't align with commentary. Before anyone wants to chime in about the 3 "other" deaths... someone needs to tell us more than "separate medical emergencies" as the reason.

This "divide" that someone suggested happened over the last 4 years, came from Obama. How do you think Trump came to be? Obama's second term was incredibly divisive, but of course you're a racist if you acknowledge that. Obviously Trump didn't stop the divide, but to think that it starts and ends with him is crazy. This doesn't end when the presidency changes hands and it's far more than just a left/right political divide.

[GeorgesGoons]

George saying jsense can't think objectively about the situation because he says trump was impeached by all democrats but right before him he floats BS that trump was exonerated by just the exact opposite of nothing but republicans.... Man thats rich

If you could think you would see I was playing off his post, all caps. The whole impeachment thing was a shitshow and distracted a lot of people from more serious shit....like COVID.

[Crowes]

Please lay out the parallels of the divisiveness in Obamas second term??

[ReignOnU]

Please lay out the parallels of the divisiveness in Obamas second term??

If you even remotely cared, you'd have already known. But trying to look at things from both sides has never been a strength for you.

Just off the top of my head (paraphrasing, because I'm not going to waste time digging up quotes you should already be familiar with)...
- Called people against immigration racists
- Said anyone that is Pro-Life is part of the war on women and sexists
- Claimed GOP were racists vs Hispanics
- Calls the other side a bunch of gun-toting, bible clinging bigots

The guy was put in office on the idea of change and unity on his first run and failed so bad to deliver that, that his 2nd run was built almost completely on identity politics. GOP is against Women. GOP is against Hispanics. GOP is against Blacks. GOP is against Gays. He did it all using both direct stuff like above and by using innuendo.

[nick]

Republicans have a 0.0000% chance of ever winning another presidency.

[ReignOnU]

Republicans have a 0.0000% chance of ever winning another presidency.

Totally logical take.

[jeheinz72]

Republicans have a 0.0000% chance of ever winning another presidency.

True but not true.
Current R ideology/idolatry - yeah, probably 0% in our lifetimes

But the moderate D view will slide to become the moderate R view as wise politicians split from the socialism crazies. So an R will win, it just won't look like an R, much like todays R's don't look like R's of yesteryear.

[Crowes]

Please lay out the parallels of the divisiveness in Obamas second term??

If you even remotely cared, you'd have already known. But trying to look at things from both sides has never been a strength for you.

Just off the top of my head (paraphrasing, because I'm not going to waste time digging up quotes you should already be familiar with)...
- Called people against immigration racists
- Said anyone that is Pro-Life is part of the war on women and sexists
- Claimed GOP were racists vs Hispanics
- Calls the other side a bunch of gun-toting, bible clinging bigots

The guy was put in office on the idea of change and unity on his first run and failed so bad to deliver that, that his 2nd run was built almost completely on identity politics. GOP is against Women. GOP is against Hispanics. GOP is against Blacks. GOP is against Gays. He did it all using both direct stuff like above and by using innuendo.

I knew those points to be true long before obama ever came on the scene

[Crowes]

Republicans have a 0.0000% chance of ever winning another presidency.

True but not true.
Current R ideology/idolatry - yeah, probably 0% in our lifetimes

But the moderate D view will slide to become the moderate R view as wise politicians split from the socialism crazies. So an R will win, it just won't look like an R, much like todays R's don't look like R's of yesteryear.

If anything good can be taken from all this is that hopefully this will have greatly sped up the timeline for a 3 rd party.

[nick]

[ReignOnU]

Republicans have a 0.0000% chance of ever winning another presidency.

True but not true.
Current R ideology/idolatry - yeah, probably 0% in our lifetimes

But the moderate D view will slide to become the moderate R view as wise politicians split from the socialism crazies. So an R will win, it just won't look like an R, much like todays R's don't look like R's of yesteryear.

If anything good can be taken from all this is that hopefully this will have greatly sped up the timeline for a 3 rd party.

Been over this before, but it's highly unlikely that there's a 3 party breakout. I'd go as far to say that there's better chance of both sides fracturing into 2, creating 4 parties... but even that is like Nick's 0.00000% statement.

[ReignOnU]

Excellent! Definitely going thief.

When I looked yesterday, the zoomed out pic that had the "Barbarian" and I believe the "Thief" both in it, was 1 of the first I saw. My first thought was that there's a Twitter-shitstorm over cosplay Braveheart.

[jeheinz72]

Republicans have a 0.0000% chance of ever winning another presidency.

True but not true.
Current R ideology/idolatry - yeah, probably 0% in our lifetimes

But the moderate D view will slide to become the moderate R view as wise politicians split from the socialism crazies. So an R will win, it just won't look like an R, much like todays R's don't look like R's of yesteryear.

If anything good can be taken from all this is that hopefully this will have greatly sped up the timeline for a 3 rd party.

Been over this before, but it's highly unlikely that there's a 3 party breakout. I'd go as far to say that there's better chance of both sides fracturing into 2, creating 4 parties... but even that is like Nick's 0.00000% statement.

I mean, that's essentially what we have now

Socialist D's - Regular D's - Regular R's - Racist R's

Now most of America is in the middle two there, but the outer ones are just more vocal. So the primaries and the like are like the semi-finals of the two halves, to see which goes to the finals.

[ReignOnU]

Please lay out the parallels of the divisiveness in Obamas second term??

If you even remotely cared, you'd have already known. But trying to look at things from both sides has never been a strength for you.

Just off the top of my head (paraphrasing, because I'm not going to waste time digging up quotes you should already be familiar with)...
- Called people against immigration racists
- Said anyone that is Pro-Life is part of the war on women and sexists
- Claimed GOP were racists vs Hispanics
- Calls the other side a bunch of gun-toting, bible clinging bigots

The guy was put in office on the idea of change and unity on his first run and failed so bad to deliver that, that his 2nd run was built almost completely on identity politics. GOP is against Women. GOP is against Hispanics. GOP is against Blacks. GOP is against Gays. He did it all using both direct stuff like above and by using innuendo.

I knew those points to be true long before obama ever came on the scene

I see hypocrisy is acceptable/overlooked... so "rules for thee and not for me." Seems about par for the course.

[ReignOnU]

Been over this before, but it's highly unlikely that there's a 3 party breakout. I'd go as far to say that there's better chance of both sides fracturing into 2, creating 4 parties... but even that is like Nick's 0.00000% statement.

I mean, that's essentially what we have now

Socialist D's - Regular D's - Regular R's - Racist R's

Now most of America is in the middle two there, but the outer ones are just more vocal. So the primaries and the like are like the semi-finals of the two halves, to see which goes to the finals.

Agreed, which is why I say that. But ultimately, they only vote on 2 party lines in the final. Basically everyone is SEC fan.

[Crowes]

It's escapes me what could actually happen for this scenario to come true but IMO trump just tossed the GOP the escape boat they desperately need to be competitive in 22 and 24.

There is zero chance Trump just leaves office on the 20th and just floats off into the oblivion never to be thought of again. The GOP has to send him off into shameful exile so he can't be seen as the kingmaker for the candidates coming down the pipe for future elections. You are just handing up more control to Dems until he dies.

I mean george or reign do y'all really think the narrative of getting out the vote to keep trumpism at bay won't work in 22 or 24 if he's still the front and center of the party?

[GeorgesGoons]

It's escapes me what could actually happen for this scenario to come true but IMO trump just tossed the GOP the escape boat they desperately need to be competitive in 22 and 24.

There is zero chance Trump just leaves office on the 20th and just floats off into the oblivion never to be thought of again. The GOP has to send him off into shameful exile so he can't be seen as the kingmaker for the candidates coming down the pipe for future elections. You are just handing up more control to Dems until he dies.

I mean george or reign do y'all really think the narrative of getting out the vote to keep trumpism at bay won't work in 22 or 24 if he's still the front and center of the party?

This is the smartest thing I have read from you. It is spot in. The GOP needs to distance themselves from Trump. And I say this because of the last 2+ months, not the rest of his presidency. They can continue his policies of deregulation but they need to ostracize him

[GeorgesGoons]

I do love the hypocrisy of CNN and MSNBC. Just one example is Cuomo saying " show me where protesting has to be peaceful ". And then he turns around and blast the protesters/rioters from yesterday. It was the exactly the same thing as the summer, one just burnt down businesses and the others raided the government building

[ReignOnU]

It's escapes me what could actually happen for this scenario to come true but IMO trump just tossed the GOP the escape boat they desperately need to be competitive in 22 and 24.

There is zero chance Trump just leaves office on the 20th and just floats off into the oblivion never to be thought of again. The GOP has to send him off into shameful exile so he can't be seen as the kingmaker for the candidates coming down the pipe for future elections. You are just handing up more control to Dems until he dies.

I mean george or reign do y'all really think the narrative of getting out the vote to keep trumpism at bay won't work in 22 or 24 if he's still the front and center of the party?

This is the smartest thing I have read from you. It is spot in. The GOP needs to distance themselves from Trump. And I say this because of the last 2+ months, not the rest of his presidency. They can continue his policies of deregulation but they need to ostracize him

If I had to guess right now, Trump is a big problem in '22 - '24. Kind of similar to Bernie in terms of how it could make things unstable. His core following is huge and energized. The core Right that now all gets lumped in as RINOs, doesn't (and really can't) generate that energy. McCain was trash in '08. Romney was a push over and wouldn't really play nasty against the identity politics in '12. Trump won '16 because he was willing to get in the weeds. Beyond knowing that it's an issue, I have no idea who it plays out. Potentially, with the left controlling all 3 parts, they could conceivably find a way to block him or even lock him up for something. Let's be honest, what we're seeing in the political realm really has very little to do with right/wrong or upholding the Constitution. It's really just party-line BS. So if they can trump up (hey-yo) some charges that put him away, they may just blast it through along party-lines and make it happen. In fact, that could be the real reason that he's been doing a lot of this.

At this point, I don't see the Right wins an election in '24, but I also didn't think Biden could win 2yrs ago. I thought the obvious play was Michelle O.

I think if Trump played this differently from Oct through now, he'd have been in great position to rally the Right in the '22 election and win back the presidency in '24. With Biden/Harris and Right senate control, I didn't care much. But with Trump pushing fraud so hard and not able to do anything with his push, it's a terrible situation. The longer this drags without something coming from it, the further he kills any chance of doing anything positive. In a way, it's almost better for the 'regular Right' for him to continue to push his agenda without anything coming of it. Every day moving forward without a positive outcome for him is a little farther away from relevancy in the future. He's actually doing something to discredit himself with the middle, which is a long-term issue for him.