COVID-19

[shel311]

This could go in the not so newsworthy thread but we'll keep it here for consistency:

Fauci admits to lying about wearing masks...again.

In 2020, he told the public masks will not help you, then later admitted he lied because he didn't want there to be a mask shortage.

Now, just a few weeks ago, Fauci and Rand Paul got into it on the Senate floor, and it made news and the videos went viral with Rand Paul stating Fauci telling everyone to wear masks even after being vaccinated was just "political theatre" and Fauci firing back at Rand Paul.

And now...Fauci admits now he didn't want to seem like he was giving mixed signals but then states he knew all along that COVID is basically a dead end for those who are vaccinated. He basically just conceded that Rand Paul was spot on.

TRUST THE SCIENCE!!! Mask up even after you get vaccinated, boys and girls!

[GeorgesGoons]

Faucci has become a laughing stock. He is a bureaucrat and not a leader and completely adverse to any level of risk.

[jsence2]

Here's a look at SNAP consumption if you prefer to just look at a welfare related item, instead of using a loaded federal dollars number tied to GDP. Imagine that, it looks similar to the other list.

The ten states that have the highest number of SNAP recipients are:

California - 3,789,000
Texas - 3,406,000
Florida - 2,847,000
New York - 2,661,000
Illinois - 1,770,000
Pennsylvania - 1,757,000
Georgia - 1,424,000
Ohio - 1,383,000
North Carolina - 1,298,000
Michigan - 1,180,000

Time out...

...you're telling me that the states with the most people, have the most people on SNAP?!?!?!

OH MY GOD, THAT'S AMAZING! I NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT!!!

Again, you're conflating what I'm saying (I was sarcastically saying "welfare" for the STATE, not the actual SNAP program, I laid the sarcasm on pretty thick). I was referring to how we keep hearing about the "booming economies" of states that didn't shut down, and how McConnell said the government shouldn't fund blue states (even though red states take way more money from the federal government).

The same folks who rail against "handouts" and "getting what you deserve" have no issues with things like farm subsidies (pretty sure that's a handout, right?). I mean, maybe work harder on that farm? Maybe be smarter with how you sell your crops? It's not rocket science!

So why misrepresent the stat if you know the answer? It just goes from misinformation to admitted disinformation to support you agenda.

I just used SNAP as an example since complete welfare often has various levels and doesn't have clear numbers. SNAP is easy to find. Easily shows who uses the most.

As for farm subsidies, it's not really about working harder on the farm. Your commentary just shows your complete ignorance as to how the subsidies work and why they are in place. Ultimately, the farmers would manage without the subsidies. In fact, even a tiny bit of research will give you examples where some farmers are heavily against subsidies. There's a reason that the subsidies are only given a very specific set of crops. I can give you an in-depth breakdown on why, but based on the lunacy of your commentary since you've reemerged on the boards lately, it's safe to say that it's a waste of keystrokes.

I know what the subsidies are. I know what they're used for. I've lived in Indiana and Kentucky nearly my entire life.

I'm being facetious. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those on the right who rail against "government handouts" but have no issues with farm subsidies, coal subsidies, etc. It's only when the money goes to minorities or "libs" that the cries come flying. I never hear Republican leaders upset with those "handouts".

Look, I'm just trying to figure out when things are ok and when they aren't. The hypocrisy from the right is so blatant and confusing that I lose track of what's ok to be a handout and what isn't. What violates "free market" and what doesn't.

Bakery doesn't want to make a cake for gays? Free market. Costco demands you wear a mask in their store? Boycott. See, it's hard to keep track these days.

[jsence2]

This could go in the not so newsworthy thread but we'll keep it here for consistency:

Fauci admits to lying about wearing masks...again.

In 2020, he told the public masks will not help you, then later admitted he lied because he didn't want there to be a mask shortage.

Now, just a few weeks ago, Fauci and Rand Paul got into it on the Senate floor, and it made news and the videos went viral with Rand Paul stating Fauci telling everyone to wear masks even after being vaccinated was just "political theatre" and Fauci firing back at Rand Paul.

And now...Fauci admits now he didn't want to seem like he was giving mixed signals but then states he knew all along that COVID is basically a dead end for those who are vaccinated. He basically just conceded that Rand Paul was spot on.

TRUST THE SCIENCE!!! Mask up even after you get vaccinated, boys and girls!

Well, considering we have mutated variants in this country that we still don't know how effective the vaccine will be against them, you CAN still get it even if you're vaccinated, and you can still transmit it. It just won't kill you. However, we also don't know what the long-term effects of the disease are in terms of lung damage, neurological damage, etc. The issue is, the anti-maskers who refuse to get the vaccine can and will still transmit the disease, and now that they won't be required to wear masks, the virus will have a fresh group of hosts which may allow it to mutate yet again.

Don't want to wear a mask? Then don't. I will be when I'm in an enclosed area, to protect myself and my family/friends. I'd rather be safe than sorry when we still have no idea just what this will do to people long-term.

[GeorgesGoons]

Look, I'm just trying to figure out when things are ok and when they aren't. The hypocrisy from the right is so blatant and confusing that I lose track of what's ok to be a handout and what isn't. What violates "free market" and what doesn't.

Those coal/farm subsidies helps everyone, not just the coal miner or farmer. But those other "handouts" goes to roads, federal lands, medicare, medicaide...etc.

Handouts to individuals do not help everyone.

I think that's where the disconnect is when it comes to your idea of "welfare" compared to my idea of "welfare". And it has nothing to do with minorities or liberals. Unless you have a disability you should have a time limit on welfare. And it should be a no BS disability, my sister in law is dredge to society with her woe is me mentality and everyone is against her, so she has been diagnosed with some mental disability and receives a handout because she can function in life. She shouldn't receive a damn thing.

[jsence2]

Look, I'm just trying to figure out when things are ok and when they aren't. The hypocrisy from the right is so blatant and confusing that I lose track of what's ok to be a handout and what isn't. What violates "free market" and what doesn't.

Those coal/farm subsidies helps everyone, not just the coal miner or farmer. But those other "handouts" goes to roads, federal lands, medicare, medicaide...etc.

Handouts to individuals do not help everyone.

I think that's where the disconnect is when it comes to your idea of "welfare" compared to my idea of "welfare". And it has nothing to do with minorities or liberals. Unless you have a disability you should have a time limit on welfare. And it should be a no BS disability, my sister in law is dredge to society with her woe is me mentality and everyone is against her, so she has been diagnosed with some mental disability and receives a handout because she can function in life. She shouldn't receive a damn thing.

So, just to be clear, you're deciding who you feel deserves handouts based on your own personal feelings on mental health, disability?

I am getting this weird sense of deja vu, like someone in here recently said that shouldn't be the basis of how things work...

[GeorgesGoons]

we still have no idea just what this will do to people long-term.

And this is why people don't take the vaccine as well. Nobody knows what it will do long-term. How many commercials have you seen advertising legal help because of something that wasn't known/understood in terms of long term effects? Once it is no longer under an EUA, I'll take it.

[GeorgesGoons]

Look, I'm just trying to figure out when things are ok and when they aren't. The hypocrisy from the right is so blatant and confusing that I lose track of what's ok to be a handout and what isn't. What violates "free market" and what doesn't.

Those coal/farm subsidies helps everyone, not just the coal miner or farmer. But those other "handouts" goes to roads, federal lands, medicare, medicaide...etc.

Handouts to individuals do not help everyone.

I think that's where the disconnect is when it comes to your idea of "welfare" compared to my idea of "welfare". And it has nothing to do with minorities or liberals. Unless you have a disability you should have a time limit on welfare. And it should be a no BS disability, my sister in law is dredge to society with her woe is me mentality and everyone is against her, so she has been diagnosed with some mental disability and receives a handout because she can function in life. She shouldn't receive a damn thing.

So, just to be clear, you're deciding who you feel deserves handouts based on your own personal feelings on mental health, disability?

I am getting this weird sense of deja vu, like someone in here recently said that shouldn't be the basis of how things work...

The difference is, I know her. And she is playing the system, just like her mother

[shel311]

So a month or so ago, this is after the COVID craze had died down with many states opening back up, Fauci went on record stating he's still scared to this day to go to restaurants even after being fully vaccinated.

But in early May of 2020, which is generally right around the peak of the initial COVID craze when we were probably the most vigilant we've been in the past 1+ years, Fauci was sending emails stating he'd love to get together for dinner with a potentially fairly large group of people?

Ok, Fauci. Ok.

[GeorgesGoons]

Faucci is a scared little man. I have never seen someone flip flop so much

[GeorgesGoons]

Trump and those doctors that were cancelled and mocked were right all along....

https://news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydr ... 00816.html

[Crowes]

Trump and those doctors that were cancelled and mocked were right all along....

https://news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydr ... 00816.html

Didn't ole dumbass say it was good at preventing infection in healthy people from Rona. And your study was for treating some of the most severe cases who already have Rona? But yea with enough mental gymnastics someone like you would say he was right all along

[GeorgesGoons]

Trump and those doctors that were cancelled and mocked were right all along....

https://news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydr ... 00816.html

Didn't ole dumbass say it was good at preventing infection in healthy people from Rona. And your study was for treating some of the most severe cases who already have Rona? But yea with enough mental gymnastics someone like you would say he was right all along

Glad our ANTIFA member is back. May have been out rioting during this time period... How many trash fires you start?

He did say it was good at preventing infection...he was wrong.

He also said it was a viable option to help cure infected patients, and was mocked by the media and other anti-trumpers.....he was correct it turns out.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/trump-s ... virus.html

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... ients.aspx

[dakshdar]

George -

You posted two articles.

Trump claiming that it helps early stage recovery.
The study showing it helps with ventilated patients.

Those are two very different things.

[GeorgesGoons]

George -

You posted two articles.

Trump claiming that it helps early stage recovery.
The study showing it helps with ventilated patients.

Those are two very different things.

I know I did. I can't go back in time to recall the whole debate, but if you read the article there is absolutely nothing in there regarding early stage recovery except in the title.

[dakshdar]

In the first article:

"I happen to believe in it. I would take it. As you know, I took it for a 14-day period. And as you know, I’m here. I happen to think it works in the early stages,” he said.

[GeorgesGoons]

In the first article:

"I happen to believe in it. I would take it. As you know, I took it for a 14-day period. And as you know, I’m here. I happen to think it works in the early stages,” he said.

I completely skipped the last part...thought it was all about him promoting it as a preventative medicine to COVID.

either way, the media blasted him, and anyone else who promoted hydroxycloroquine, as a treatment

Facebook Oversight Board to rule on removal of post promoting discredited Covid-19 treatment

From CNN Business' Brian Fung

Facebook has asked its independent Oversight Board for a ruling on how to handle misleading claims about hydroxychloroquine, which has been baselessly promoted by President Donald Trump and his allies as a treatment for Covid-19.

The referral comes as public health experts and policymakers fret about Facebook’s role in spreading misinformation about the pandemic. Experts warn that false claims about Covid-19 vaccines could hinder efforts to administer it.

The case involves Facebook’s decision to take down a user’s post that claimed the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine was being used to save lives. Facebook said it removed the post under its violence and incitement policy, under which the platform may remove content that it says poses a “genuine risk of physical harm or direct threats to public safety.”

Both the National Institutes of Health and US Food and Drug Administration warn against using hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of Covid-19.

A decision by the Oversight Board, which would be binding on Facebook, could powerfully shape the platform’s handling of Covid-19 posts moving forward.

The case is among the first to be considered by the Oversight Board, an entity proposed by CEO Mark Zuckerberg in 2018 and which launched this fall. The organization consists of academics and experts on human rights and ethics. It has received funding from Facebook but has stressed its independence from the company through a number of guardrails.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics ... index.html

Over the weekend, one of Trump's economic advisers -- Peter Navarro -- clashed with Fauci over the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, the drug the President insists could save Covid-19 patients, according to people familiar with the disagreement.

[cougnix]

Lol. George on gummies early morning, lol.

[dakshdar]

I think deciding on medical treatment is something that happens with a doctor and patient. Babbling almost incoherently on concepts for medical treatment that hadn't yet been studied/documented and doing so in a way that was leading to some gross misunderstandings of the application was dangerous and irresponsible.

[GeorgesGoons]

gross misunderstandings of the application was dangerous and irresponsible.

as was the absolute dismissal of the possibility of it working and saving lives.