Heisman vs AA (yes, we are going to TRY to discuss)

[ajalves]

What I don't think some of you may realize is that the passing game isn;t supposed to be easy in real football, so we just expect it to come easy in the game?

you really think we dont realize this?

Well if you expect things to come easy and don't like a difficult football game then AA it is for most. I personally think its a bit of a cop out.

its not a cop out at all. It's just not realistic to NEVER be able to complete a curl, out or comeback. I dont think they should be open ALL the time, but once in a while would be nice. 95% of the league will be playing with a shitty QB. that makes it that much more unrealistic. And then you finally get it to a guy and the reciever flat out drops it.

[Ry]

How soon will this final decision be made?

I'll play either way. I like the challenge of Heisman and success feels more deserved. Conversely, I enjoy the big plays on AA and more wide open offense.

This game plays very much like the real thing on Heisman in that if you can stop the running game, for most teams, that is big trouble, because passing the ball is always the more risky and difficult part of football. If we play AA, stopping the running game is still important but it seems the chance to complete the third and longs is dramatically increased which has always been a major frustration in the past versions.

If we play Heisman third and longs would be more realistic in that the offense has to be carefull with the ball and the chance of conversion is low. If we play AA the third and longs don't seem to be much of a worry.....

For me, I think Heisman is preferred and we would overcome some of its difficulties, but AA will be fun and if its good for the league then so be it.

But, please, let us know soon. I know you guys are working on it.

Either choice is fine. This is a quality game for the most part.

[nick]

What I don't think some of you may realize is that the passing game isn;t supposed to be easy in real football, so we just expect it to come easy in the game?

you really think we dont realize this?

Well if you expect things to come easy and don't like a difficult football game then AA it is for most. I personally think its a bit of a cop out.

its not a cop out at all. It's just not realistic to NEVER be able to complete a curl, out or comeback. I dont think they should be open ALL the time, but once in a while would be nice. 95% of the league will be playing with a shitty QB. that makes it that much more unrealistic. And then you finally get it to a guy and the reciever flat out drops it.

Agreed. This game has a legit system for overall for once. I have been playing as Louisville in a OD and I complete like 65\5 with them, and then I used Toledo against Dave and holy fuck does he suck lol. I mean SUCKS. I couldn't hit anyone. WR's drop passes, its awful.

This years game, I don't predict many major upsets

[brwnbear]

I like Heisman. I think its more realistic. Just played a game where the stat lines where

17-34 for 256yrd 2-2
21-25 for 289yrs and 3-1

Seems like realistic stats to me. In AA it would have been 51-56 for 543 and 6-1 or some ridiculous thing like that. Also, when playing with lower ranked teams, the passing game seems to really open up. Maybe the defensive ratings have a lot to do with it.

Also, wasnt a complain from last year that the defense AI was terrible. I recall people saying they wouldnt even play defense because it was so pointless. jmo

[Nole4real]

oh yea...and im for 7 mins

but with that, making the fast tempo thingy against the rules

wait...now that i tihnk about it...has anyone tried the fast temp thingy to see if it makes the clock not do that autocount down thingy?

[6ftdeep]

See the thing is curls and comebacks and outs are open.

That is what I m trying to point out, but the thing is you just cant throw curls, comebacks and outs just cause you see man defense.

If the defender is playing man defense tight or regular coverage the curl wont be there, mostly for the fact that dbs on Heisman react quicker, and wrs don't run the route as crisp. But if the defense is playing man and loose, it is there, or if they are in a cover 3 the curls are open. Same for the comeback route. And outs are open as well, but you have to wait for your wr to break from the defender and lead the wr more.

These routes are still there to be completed, it just is not the simple mindedness of the pass where you could make reads pre- snap, pick your route and throw the ball and only worry about the user making a play.

I know we are saying the greater good of the league, but come on guys the game has only been out since Tuesday. Most of the league will improve, specially if you keep trying to play on the Heisman level.

Also someone said it earlier, Heisman really does give you that realistic feel in overall game play specially in 3rd and long. 3rd and long on heisman you have to be smart know when to play for fg position and field position and when to really go for it. If you force it expect a mistake. I like knowing that on 1st and 2nd down, I really need to pick up some positive yards to make my 3rd down more advantageous if I don't then I could be punting.

And the big play is still there on Heisman is well you just gotta set it up. You just cant repeatedly go for or expect the big play. You have to pick your spots, but they are definitely there. I say just keep plugging out the Heisman difficulty level and Im telling you, you will start to see the openings and loving the feel of it. But you have to take the mind set going into the game that you have to play the game a bit more safely and thoughtful. Use our expansive knowledge we all have of football, sure there is going be those no way moments at times. But every game has had those moments.

[jsence2]

What I don't think some of you may realize is that the passing game isn;t supposed to be easy in real football, so we just expect it to come easy in the game?

you really think we dont realize this?

Well if you expect things to come easy and don't like a difficult football game then AA it is for most. I personally think its a bit of a cop out.

its not a cop out at all. It's just not realistic to NEVER be able to complete a curl, out or comeback. I dont think they should be open ALL the time, but once in a while would be nice. 95% of the league will be playing with a shitty QB. that makes it that much more unrealistic. And then you finally get it to a guy and the reciever flat out drops it.

Exactly. I can't complete a damn curl route with JAKE LOCKER unless the other team brings the house. It gets picked or knocked down every time, and it's not realistic, especially not when it's counter (a curl and go double move) NEVER works to counter the DBs breaking like that.

[jsence2]

See the thing is curls and comebacks and outs are open.

That is what I m trying to point out, but the thing is you just cant throw curls, comebacks and outs just cause you see man defense.

If the defender is playing man defense tight or regular coverage the curl wont be there, mostly for the fact that dbs on Heisman react quicker, and wrs don't run the route as crisp. But if the defense is playing man and loose, it is there, or if they are in a cover 3 the curls are open. Same for the comeback route. And outs are open as well, but you have to wait for your wr to break from the defender and lead the wr more.

These routes are still there to be completed, it just is not the simple mindedness of the pass where you could make reads pre- snap, pick your route and throw the ball and only worry about the user making a play.

I know we are saying the greater good of the league, but come on guys the game has only been out since Tuesday. Most of the league will improve, specially if you keep trying to play on the Heisman level.

Also someone said it earlier, Heisman really does give you that realistic feel in overall game play specially in 3rd and long. 3rd and long on heisman you have to be smart know when to play for fg position and field position and when to really go for it. If you force it expect a mistake. I like knowing that on 1st and 2nd down, I really need to pick up some positive yards to make my 3rd down more advantageous if I don't then I could be punting.

And the big play is still there on Heisman is well you just gotta set it up. You just cant repeatedly go for or expect the big play. You have to pick your spots, but they are definitely there. I say just keep plugging out the Heisman difficulty level and Im telling you, you will start to see the openings and loving the feel of it. But you have to take the mind set going into the game that you have to play the game a bit more safely and thoughtful. Use our expansive knowledge we all have of football, sure there is going be those no way moments at times. But every game has had those moments.

oh absolutely the big play is still there, and thats why i love it, if you call the perfect play on offense and make the right read your gone, in my game on heisman using Michigan facing TCU, i scored on a WR middle screen to Odoms from 76 yards out, with under 2 minutes left i knew the d would be blitzing and they did.

im with 6 and a couple other guys, the feel of the game on heisman is awesome, nothing feels more rewarding that user stripping the ball carrier changing players, scooping it up and running down the sidelines. Or making the right read on an option, and seeing the D follow the wrong guy, while you're on route to the endzone.

And nothing is more frustrating than making that perfect playcall--and having the Heisman DB teleport 10 yds to jump the route, pick you off, and take it back for six.

[Easportsbama]

i've never seen this happen, i've yet to see anyone "teleport"... i've been picked off on a hook for 6 before, plenty of times, but each time it was my own stupid mistake.it may have been the perfect playcall... it seems to me like it wasnt the right read though. i have since learned from those mistakes, throw it where it should be put, and it will be a completion.

I agree, you can put it high or to the outside. And you have to throw it to the outside before he breaks. It's a "Timing route"

[cougnix]

I need more games on Heisman. AA isn't a walk in the park though. Bad teams will be bad teams whatever level, but the likelihood of bad teams beating good teams on Heisman will be more real than on AA.

[ReignOnU]

I'm hoping to work some more with Heisman this weekend, but as of right now, it's driving me insane trying to pass the ball.

On top of the miracle DE INT in the flats that I've now seen 2x, I can add the amazing MLB that can cover the break on a slot slant. Ironically, I've found 1 route that works a large portion of the time against M2M and it's by far the cheesiest looking, no chance in hell the DB would ever get caught in that position, kind of route. (Hot Routed Corner Route to the Split End and the CB ends up underneath AND outside of the route.)

I'm going to blame part of my confusion on the ref in the middle of the field, making it look cluttered.

Sadly, my 2nd most successful route against the CPU has been a streak, user controlled and chessed up speed burst right by the DB.

Talk about lame and lame. If that's all I can come up with in the passing game, then expect the Flexbone to be in full effect all 3 seasons.

[doc]

AA is it for me. Me and buckeye played a AA game and it was one of the most fun games I have ever played it was 13-10 OT game and it had everything (EXCEPT THE SUPER DB JUMPING PASSES). I really like AA but I will play either.

[Daw1git]

I have had no issue passing on heisman but have seen a few issues with the defense just really jumping plays period but I think this should be under review in the 2nd season not the 1st I mean it's like we just cracked the game open and expect to be a pro and everything that has worked on other years to work just as good in this one...just give it a min see if things get easier to you
only thing i see is there is probley gonna have to be a major tweak of the rules in some areas like no huddle and running qb's because now we can actually call plays on no huddle and the defense can now get a boost in coverage from gameplan because we frown on running with the qb on passing plays.

My vote for now is Heisman

[walker213]

I think after playing a few more games that All-American is going to be very bad for lesser teams...

I would pass commit, run cover 2 man, and my corner would get roasted with my safety not covering deep easy for six. This kind of thing has happened consistently on All-American. Pass defense is so bad that teams will get rocked by faster teams.

[shel311]

I think after playing a few more games that All-American is going to be very bad for lesser teams...

I would pass commit, run cover 2 man, and my corner would get roasted with my safety not covering deep easy for six. This kind of thing has happened consistently on All-American. Pass defense is so bad that teams will get rocked by faster teams.

That all may be true.

But on Heisman, those same lesser teams will NEVER have WRs get open against man D against a good defense. They'll be throwing 5+ INTs every game likely.


This debate is really pretty simple. It's been said by most that for the good of the league, AA would be best. It's almost time to put this one to bed, Kiss the Baby!!

[walker213]

I think after playing a few more games that All-American is going to be very bad for lesser teams...

I would pass commit, run cover 2 man, and my corner would get roasted with my safety not covering deep easy for six. This kind of thing has happened consistently on All-American. Pass defense is so bad that teams will get rocked by faster teams.

That all may be true.

But on Heisman, those same lesser teams will NEVER have WRs get open against man D against a good defense. They'll be throwing 5+ INTs every game likely.


This debate is really pretty simple. It's been said by most that for the good of the league, AA would be best. It's almost time to put this one to bed, Kiss the Baby!!

I haven't tried playing with unfair teams on Heisman, I just know that on All-American there's a lot of swiss cheese defense. Just thought I'd throw it out there because I'm cool either way.

[brett11253]

fuck all this im fine either way talk. im punching a baby if we don't do heisman

[cougnix]

fuck all this im fine either way talk. im punching a baby if we don't do heisman

[brett11253]

man they have those for everything lol.

[ndlquack]

I'm with AA at least for season one. It's nicer having a team that's a c at least be able to run off some big plays once in a while Which is more realistic since in college football even bad teams that can rise to the occasion and put up some big plays against big time programs.

Quack